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[Lestatman]

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

Well if they retcon the Star child/3 colours then I'll be happy to see even tho it prob won't happen is a completely new story set in the future after the Reaper attack but this is the big point, you as a player get to choose to play as another race just like DA:O but sadly me don't think that would ever happen.

[HITMAN629]

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

That M'lady is a big assumption. I would like to see EC to provide a future for the ME universe before I look towards anything else.

Modifié par HITMAN629, 02 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[Tyion133]

Lestatman wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

Well if they retcon the Star child/3 colours then I'll be happy to see even tho it prob won't happen is a completely new story set in the future after the Reaper attack but this is the big point, you as a player get to choose to play as another race just like DA:O but sadly me don't think that would ever happen.

Hmm... Mass Effect 4 = Mass Effect; What if Shepard was a...     ?

[Phoenix NL]

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

That M'lady is a big assumption. I would like to see EC to provide a future for the ME universe before I look towards anything else.

It is a big assumption but I was interested in seeing what thoughts people had about future possibilities in that universe.

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

Future? Lucky clovers, kittens, and rainbows I assume. I'm not all that interestred in the aftermath as such, I assume if there ever is any trouble my Shep will just shout at the participants until they stop their silliness.

I have this sick fascination about prequels though. I think First Contact War, Skyllian Blitz, Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellion etc would be really, really interesting if done right. It could potentially offer deeper understanding of the different species, their societies and shared attitudes. For the most part all of those insidents are left so open that they could potentially contain any story imaginable.

And I'd like to see a female Turian. Really. Actually, I'd like an awkward family dinner with Garrus and his family.
"By spirits son, you were always a dissappointment, but couldn't you at least have tried to get a Turian woman?"
"Dad... there aren't any. My sister aside."
"....."

[toffeetrooper]

Phoenix NL wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

That M'lady is a big assumption. I would like to see EC to provide a future for the ME universe before I look towards anything else.

It is a big assumption but I was interested in seeing what thoughts people had about future possibilities in that universe.

a war with the terminus systems could be explored, or a a galaxcy wide organisation using reaper tec to go up against,
 personlly i wouldnt mind if there was a follow on trillogy to take back the rest of the gallacy( if they handle the ending apropriatly)

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

Future? Lucky clovers, kittens, and rainbows I assume. I'm not all that interestred in the aftermath as such, I assume if there ever is any trouble my Shep will just shout at the participants until they stop their silliness.

I have this sick fascination about prequels though. I think First Contact War, Skyllian Blitz, Rachni Wars, Krogan Rebellion etc would be really, really interesting if done right. It could potentially offer deeper understanding of the different species, their societies and shared attitudes. For the most part all of those insidents are left so open that they could potentially contain any story imaginable.

And I'd like to see a female Turian. Really. Actually, I'd like an awkward family dinner with Garrus and his family.
"By spirits son, you were always a dissappointment, but couldn't you at least have tried to get a Turian woman?"
"Dad... there aren't any. My sister aside."
"....."

What about the ''What if..'' scenario? What if Shepard was a Krogan, or a Batarian, a Vorcha, an Asari?

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

What about the ''What if..'' scenario? What if Shepard was a Krogan, or a Batarian, a Vorcha, an Asari?

That's easy, since I play femShep exclusively, in 2-3/4 of those cases she would apparently stay at kitchen, make a sandwich, and reapers win, the end. <_<

But no, not really interested in what ifs. They make awful comic books, terrible movies and fanfiction so bad I would gladly walk to embrace a Banshee rather than suffer a single typeface from them to cross my screen of float into my vision.

[HITMAN629]

Phoenix NL wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

That M'lady is a big assumption. I would like to see EC to provide a future for the ME universe before I look towards anything else.

It is a big assumption but I was interested in seeing what thoughts people had about future possibilities in that universe.

I understand your intentions, you will have to excuse me. I have become somewhat of a pessimist about the ME3 ending.

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

What about the ''What if..'' scenario? What if Shepard was a Krogan, or a Batarian, a Vorcha, an Asari?

That's easy, since I play femShep exclusively, in 2-3/4 of those cases she would apparently stay at kitchen, make a sandwich, and reapers win, the end. <_<

But no, not really interested in what ifs. They make awful comic books, terrible movies and fanfiction so bad I would gladly walk to embrace a Banshee rather than suffer a single typeface from them to cross my screen of float into my vision.

I was thinking about keeping most of the story, just make Shepard another race...

[DJBare]

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

At the risk of getting stoned *raises shields* I'd like to see the relays destroyed forcing us to choose our own path and find other methods of interstellar travel, to quote Legion "There are many paths to the same goal"; it's our struggle and mortality that defines us.
eezo is not a Reaper invention, it is something they utilized in their technology, it's also something we can utilize in our "own" technology, technology we achieve without using reaper tech as a stepping stone.

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

What about the ''What if..'' scenario? What if Shepard was a Krogan, or a Batarian, a Vorcha, an Asari?

That's easy, since I play femShep exclusively, in 2-3/4 of those cases she would apparently stay at kitchen, make a sandwich, and reapers win, the end. <_<

But no, not really interested in what ifs. They make awful comic books, terrible movies and fanfiction so bad I would gladly walk to embrace a Banshee rather than suffer a single typeface from them to cross my screen of float into my vision.

I was thinking about keeping most of the story, just make Shepard another race...

...not interest in the slightest. Shepard is human, that is such big defining factor of the character that to make it any other way just seems like a way to get cash to me. 

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

What about the ''What if..'' scenario? What if Shepard was a Krogan, or a Batarian, a Vorcha, an Asari?

That's easy, since I play femShep exclusively, in 2-3/4 of those cases she would apparently stay at kitchen, make a sandwich, and reapers win, the end. <_<

But no, not really interested in what ifs. They make awful comic books, terrible movies and fanfiction so bad I would gladly walk to embrace a Banshee rather than suffer a single typeface from them to cross my screen of float into my vision.

I was thinking about keeping most of the story, just make Shepard another race...

...not interest in the slightest. Shepard is human, that is such big defining factor of the character that to make it any other way just seems like a way to get cash to me. 

We're talking about EA here... Everything is a good idea, as long as it gives cash moneys...

[Phoenix NL]

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

HITMAN629 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

So assuming that the EC dlc addresses the majority of the complaints against the ending - what would you all like to see happen with the future of the ME universe?

That M'lady is a big assumption. I would like to see EC to provide a future for the ME universe before I look towards anything else.

It is a big assumption but I was interested in seeing what thoughts people had about future possibilities in that universe.

I understand your intentions, you will have to excuse me. I have become somewhat of a pessimist about the ME3 ending.

That's fair enough. The thought simply popped into my head that with the end of the Reaper threat you still have Cerberus and all their experiments with using Reaper tech and the bases they setup beyond the Omega 4 Relay. I always wondered what would happen with that.

[g_bassi13]

Atrocity wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

It's not incidental. But on the flip side, It's a lot of these same things are missing from ME3. (I haven't finished the review yet)

I know, I'm trying to be ironically hipsterish here 
And I wouldn't say they are missing from ME3 as much as ME3 fails to see the previously set situations through, for the most part. Genophage and Geth situation are the only ones that are really taken to a conclusion (insert ending negates all rant here), and even they have a certain rushed feeling to them. That being said, the Tuchanka mission is my favourite by far. 

I would have liked to see more inner conflict within the quarians and salarians for example. Ok, we used the majority of ME2 to make Mordin think about the genophage and the righteousness of it, but he's just one guy. Quarians do not like geth, other than that one admiral. You get why I'm not 100% satisfied with this? Of course the linearity of ME2 and 3 makes DAO-ish rich environment with countless interactions impossible, but I would've liked to hear some "I HATE THIS ****** WAR, WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET ALONG, THIS IS STUPID" from Quarian marines or something. 

Most of the characters don't seem to act like real aliens would either, with the exception of Primarch (and Wrex etc of course). I believe his reaction, because he is a soldier, not a politician, and Palaven was screwed without Krogans. That would logically cause 'screw the rules, dalatrass, go hang' reaction. Most caharacters just seem oblivious to war against Reapers, judging by their actions and dialogue. That makes them feel somewhat 2-dimensional, since I really can't see their motivation to act the way they do. Unlike, let's say Loghain. I can relate to him, I understand why acts the way he does (because he's friends with Tim Curry ), while not agreeing with him. I don't get that as much as I'd like with ME characters.

I don't have any problems with the rannoch or tuchanka missions either (without nitpicking). I quite liked them. They had the only 2 points in the game where it felt like I was in control, or had any say in what's happening. That being the part me and Legion tried to kill each other over uploading the Reaper Code, and the second being the part where you're given the opportunity to tell the team about the genophage cure sabatoge (which was sneakishly well written).

The problem, like you said, is that nothing else here feels fleshed out. And the game isn't set up like a conclusion to the events that preceeded it ME1 and 2. There were a lot of opportunities for the game to delve deeper into the that with the game, but it wasn't there. What we were left was with this unnecessarily strict linear experience. And despite being linear in nature themselves, ME 1 and 2 managed to reflect whatever you felt about the events in it's general atmosphere. And whenever something happened, the game didn't forget about it and instantly move on without mention of it (Thane's death anyone?). With ME 3, you're instead told how you're supposed to feel at every turn, something which wasn't really present in past Bioware games (except Dragon Age 2 as well). Poor story telling given the tools they had to work with. You're jumping for point to point without any real connection.

Overall I would say ME1 did a very good job matching the DAOish enviroment (though ME1 came out before DAO, you know what I mean). There were people to interact with wherever you looked, and almost all of them had something interesting to say. ME2 did to a certain extent as well, but what it was missing, that both DAO and ME1 had, were well rounded characters that had motivations both realistic and supportive of the nature of the events of the game. The entire ME1 squad was like that. I don't know what happened to Bioware's ability to write characters, but they've gone on to being extremely hit or miss with their recent work.

Also, Tim Curry is awesome. That is all.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 02 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[HITMAN629]

Phoenix NL wrote...

That's fair enough. The thought simply popped into my head that with the end of the Reaper threat you still have Cerberus and all their experiments with using Reaper tech and the bases they setup beyond the Omega 4 Relay. I always wondered what would happen with that.

That sounds like it would make for a good expansion pack........ if the ending is fixed.

Modifié par HITMAN629, 02 mai 2012 - 10:46 .

[Atrocity]

g_bassi13 wrote...
 The entire ME1 squad was like that. I don't know what happened to Bioware's ability to write characters, but they've gone on to being extremely hit or miss with their recent work.

Also, Tim Curry is awesome. That is all.

I guess there were some changes within the writing team, and I know the dev time was drastically different. DAO had nearly 6 years of it, and I think ME1 had a pretty good time for itself too. ME2 had still some decent time, but ME3 and DA II were pretty much tought on the spot in comparison to the preceding games.

[Lestatman]

As a Whovian one of the many things I love about this show is the fact that the hero/protagonist is a Time Lord and not a human so we as a viewer get a different viewpoint from our own. With DA:O I like the fact that my female Dwarf can rise from the slums to be the Hero of Ferelden. I sometimes get annoyed from the fact it seems that only a human or humans can save the day whereas the rest of the species in the Galaxy/Universe are incapable of doing it.

To have a new story in ME Universe where an Asari or Quarian are the hero I think would be a more interesting story but I'm also aware from the stats on DA:O that most ppl played human so I'm probably in the tiny minority.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Hey everyone, anything happen in the last day? (22 hours?)

I have been just lying in bed still trying to get this cold away, it seems to be getting better then it goes back to being awful *sigh*

Anyway *hugs to all*

[Atrocity]

Lestatman wrote...

As a Whovian one of the many things I love about this show is the fact that the hero/protagonist is a Time Lord and not a human so we as a viewer get a different viewpoint from our own. With DA:O I like the fact that my female Dwarf can rise from the slums to be the Hero of Ferelden. I sometimes get annoyed from the fact it seems that only a human or humans can save the day whereas the rest of the species in the Galaxy/Universe are incapable of doing it.

To have a new story in ME Universe where an Asari or Quarian are the hero I think would be a more interesting story but I'm also aware from the stats on DA:O that most ppl played human so I'm probably in the tiny minority.

It's not that other species are incabable, it's just that BW decided to make Shepard human. They established it, and they established it well. To change that in some 'what if' scenario , since the original ME was not set out to be "I am a warden first, dwarf/human/elf second" mentality the DAO had, just seems so damn fake and artificial. If BW wants to make a story how Wrex's great grand-mother saved the galaxy from the Rachni, that's fine, that's cool, that's something I might be interested in. Or how Asari commandos have subtly effected the outcome of many wars in the ME-versum, that'd be nice too.

I just don't see any way DAO style origin system could be implemented to ME even half-satisfactory way, because that's simply just not the way the story was written.

[Atrocity]

xHezz90 wrote...

Hey everyone, anything happen in the last day? (22 hours?)

I have been just lying in bed still trying to get this cold away, it seems to be getting better then it goes back to being awful *sigh*

Anyway *hugs to all*

I transformed into Rochester from Libertine, escapist magazine has this video that might raise your body temperature since it causes facepalmy rage, and MP is at the moment broken.

I guess there's nothing else? 

Modifié par Atrocity, 02 mai 2012 - 11:02 .

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

Hey everyone, anything happen in the last day? (22 hours?)

I have been just lying in bed still trying to get this cold away, it seems to be getting better then it goes back to being awful *sigh*

Anyway *hugs to all*

I transformed into Rochester from Libertine, escapist magazine has this video that might raise your body temperature since it causes facepalmy rage, and MP is at the moment broken.

I guess there's nothing else? 

MP is broken? works fine for me...

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

MP is broken? works fine for me...

You did not open victory packs then? There is a huge amount of players who can't play MP, can't change their loadout, and if they manage to start a game, disconnect by the wave 2 is more a rule than exception. Most of them are Krogan opened the packs when they first came out last night.

[g_bassi13]

Atrocity wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...
 The entire ME1 squad was like that. I don't know what happened to Bioware's ability to write characters, but they've gone on to being extremely hit or miss with their recent work.

Also, Tim Curry is awesome. That is all.

I guess there were some changes within the writing team, and I know the dev time was drastically different. DAO had nearly 6 years of it, and I think ME1 had a pretty good time for itself too. ME2 had still some decent time, but ME3 and DA II were pretty much tought on the spot in comparison to the preceding games.

Which is why my faith with Bioware is completely up in the air at this point. As long as this cycle with little to no development time persists, then we'll keep getting games like DA2 and ME3.

Well there's that, and the major shift in attitude from making games for the players, to making it for the sake of the artistic nature of it all. And the subsequent dismissal and belittling of everything the players have to say regarding it.