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[GBGriffin]

wicked_being wrote...

Tom Chicks did admit he didn't like the first two games so one may conclude that he isn't as invested on this franchise compared to us fans. Which could also mean that he doesn't really care that much about what happens to the characters or the story. It's like playing ME1 and Ash/Kaiden dies and your reaction's like "oh okay" or in ME2 your whole squad dies and you're like "that sucks...oh well." But hey, 3 days to go let's wait and see. *gets ready for the storm*

Heh, I was wondering about his history with the series.

I'm sure he found it enjoyable...I think newcomers will, or people who haven't invested as much in the series. I'm sure they won't take issue with the endings and the poor writing, and they'll enjoy it.

Doesn't change the fact they still introduced content that will, and has, pissed off fans of the series. 

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

[GBGriffin]

Kanmuru wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Tom Chicks did admit he didn't like the first two games so one may conclude that he isn't as invested on this franchise compared to us fans. Which could also mean that he doesn't really care that much about what happens to the characters or the story. It's like playing ME1 and Ash/Kaiden dies and your reaction's like "oh okay" or in ME2 your whole squad dies and you're like "that sucks...oh well." But hey, 3 days to go let's wait and see. *gets ready for the storm*

Thats a much better counter argument than the "lol paid review" that we get here. But what i got from him is that he enjoyed for the same reasons I did. It was sad to lose your crew but in the end I felt really hopefull for the future of the ME universe. Its not really a grimdark ending (if you keep the crew alive and shep lives too)

I don't buy into the "paid review" bit. I feel that's naive.

Again, you feel glad for the ME universe. As a person who believes the game has, even beyond the choice system, groomed you to care about your squad, I'm thoroughly disappointed in how that was handled. We'll enjoy and dislike the same games for different reasons, so to say that a game critic "enjoyed" the game isn't saying very much, since enjoyment is based on personal experience and context. I'm willing to bet he didn't spend as many hours as I did in ME 1 and 2 playthroughs, for example. Of course he won't care about their fates in the way that I do.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 03 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Rob_K1]

It seems his issues with ME 2 are the linear levels and that he felt it wasn't a very good shooter, as he felt that's what it was after RPG elements had been cut out. Then there's the recruiting/character story he wasn't keen on, which I can understand (I like the story, but wish the main plot had been addressed more.) ME 1 he felt was clunky. At least from what I can make out in that podcast.

It does seem like he says he can't remember the names of all characters or something, but he knows about Garrus and such.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[crimzontearz]

are the devs still tweeting that we are allcovered and the endings are awesomely varied?

[Abaddon_86]

kingsims wrote...

The X360 version got leaked and this comes from a retail copy. Not surprised at all.... Its only a matter of time now before we know the truth. We will know by the 5th.

Well, they will not have the day 1 patch. So that still doesn't prove anything regarding secret endings and whatnot, I'm afraid.

[incinerator950]

GBGriffin wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Tom Chicks did admit he didn't like the first two games so one may conclude that he isn't as invested on this franchise compared to us fans. Which could also mean that he doesn't really care that much about what happens to the characters or the story. It's like playing ME1 and Ash/Kaiden dies and your reaction's like "oh okay" or in ME2 your whole squad dies and you're like "that sucks...oh well." But hey, 3 days to go let's wait and see. *gets ready for the storm*

Heh, I was wondering about his history with the series.

I'm sure he found it enjoyable...I think newcomers will, or people who haven't invested as much in the series. I'm sure they won't take issue with the endings and the poor writing, and they'll enjoy it.

Doesn't change the fact they still introduced content that will, and has, pissed off fans of the series. 

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

I find it amazing people still connect Entitlement=Investment.  

If people who have played Warhammer 40k for twenty years, and they get shafted on a regular basis, what makes you think you're more entitled for a few years and under two thousand hours of time to be the receiving end of a fan service?

For the record, I've got close to a thousand hours.  I've lost track of 15 ME 1 runs and probably over 18 ME 2 runs.

[Ianamus]

incinerator950 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Tom Chicks did admit he didn't like the first two games so one may conclude that he isn't as invested on this franchise compared to us fans. Which could also mean that he doesn't really care that much about what happens to the characters or the story. It's like playing ME1 and Ash/Kaiden dies and your reaction's like "oh okay" or in ME2 your whole squad dies and you're like "that sucks...oh well." But hey, 3 days to go let's wait and see. *gets ready for the storm*

Heh, I was wondering about his history with the series.

I'm sure he found it enjoyable...I think newcomers will, or people who haven't invested as much in the series. I'm sure they won't take issue with the endings and the poor writing, and they'll enjoy it.

Doesn't change the fact they still introduced content that will, and has, pissed off fans of the series. 

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

I find it amazing people still connect Entitlement=Investment.  

If people who have played Warhammer 40k for twenty years, and they get shafted on a regular basis, what makes you think you're more entitled for a few years and under two thousand hours of time to be the receiving end of a fan service?

For the record, I've got close to a thousand hours.  I've lost track of 15 ME 1 runs and probably over 18 ME 2 runs.

Forgetting about entitlement and all of that rubbish for a second, Bioware promised people many times an epic conclusion that could diverge wildly, took choices into account and souldn't do a "Lost" and leave people with more questions than answers. 

But the three endings are essentially the same, with very little difference. Your previous choices have very little impact and many are rendered invalid by the finale anyway (Got peace between Quarians and Geth? The Geth all die anyway! Saved that colony in ME1? Without supplies from Mass relays they're dead anyway!)

And there are more questions. We have no idea how much of the universe actually survived, whether Garrus and Tali will starve, where the Normandy landed, or what happened to all the civilisations after the Relay's were destoryed. If Garrus and Tali aren't recruited are they on Earth? There are more unanswered questions than at the end of any other game. 

No, Playing for many hours does not "entitle" us to "happy" endings, but it entitles us to the truth, and many of Biowares statements about the endings verge on outright lies. 

And all that aside, why would Bioware want to write an ending that they know will make many people upset? They like the franchise and they want the fans to be happy, so why pull out poor and depressing endings that will upset the majority of their fans?

Modifié par EJ107, 03 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[xtorma]

HeavyPrado93 wrote...

ME3 is just a video game right?
So none of this actually matters right?
So there's no need to be angry right ?
Am I RIGHT?
Let me know if I'm wrong.

yes yes yes, you are so cool.

[AdhamS]

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT?!?! 2-3 days left till the angry horde (including me) start reaping the **** of BSN IF they dont release a DLC with different endings! As much as I was happy not so long ago before I knew about the leaked script, as much as I was jumping in joy when ME3 demo was released....As much as I WILL BE CONSUMED WITH FURY IF WE ONLY HAVE THESE ENDINGS!

I am ready to turn a blind eye BIOWARE if you released a DLC with a BETTER ending otherwise, I will laugh hysteriacally and grin while watching everyone raging on the forums as well.

I wont buy another game made by Bioware and I will do my best convince my friends as well.

Bioware.....you have been warned and you KNOW that most of the fans are ****ING PISSED OFF! You better do something quick or prepare for whats coming..........

[xtorma]

incinerator950 wrote...

GBGriffin wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Tom Chicks did admit he didn't like the first two games so one may conclude that he isn't as invested on this franchise compared to us fans. Which could also mean that he doesn't really care that much about what happens to the characters or the story. It's like playing ME1 and Ash/Kaiden dies and your reaction's like "oh okay" or in ME2 your whole squad dies and you're like "that sucks...oh well." But hey, 3 days to go let's wait and see. *gets ready for the storm*

Heh, I was wondering about his history with the series.

I'm sure he found it enjoyable...I think newcomers will, or people who haven't invested as much in the series. I'm sure they won't take issue with the endings and the poor writing, and they'll enjoy it.

Doesn't change the fact they still introduced content that will, and has, pissed off fans of the series. 

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

I find it amazing people still connect Entitlement=Investment.  

If people who have played Warhammer 40k for twenty years, and they get shafted on a regular basis, what makes you think you're more entitled for a few years and under two thousand hours of time to be the receiving end of a fan service?

For the record, I've got close to a thousand hours.  I've lost track of 15 ME 1 runs and probably over 18 ME 2 runs.

yes everyone is an entitled spoiled child...feel better? good , go pray at the bioware alter. ill send you incense.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Adham.

You need to calm the f*ck down.

[AdhamS]

I am immature, a kid whatever you want to call me, but this is it....I didnt get worked up to get THIS in the end...Its beyond the red line and I CANT CALM DOWN until we find out the truth....To say I am disgusted would be an understatement........

[Xilizhra]

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

Why do you see yourself playing the thing at all?

[Kanmuru]

AdhamS wrote...

I am immature, a kid whatever you want to call me, but this is it....I didnt get worked up to get THIS in the end...Its beyond the red line and I CANT CALM DOWN until we find out the truth....To say I am disgusted would be an understatement........

I hope bioware dosent give us anything just so i can see you all rage and cry on the forums. Its actually really fun seeing you guys have a meltdown:D:D:D 

DO IT Bioware!!! 

[N7Sarge]

I still hope that there's a secret ending we don't know about. There must be.
If not, well, then there has to be a patch/DLC with better endings. I mean, BioWare always
say that they love their fans - right now it seems that they don't care much about them...

[kingsims]

The endings would be fine If mass effect was one game. But its not really and I agree with the whole peace thing is irrelevant in the destroy ending, yea lets take a major game plot point and make it irrelevant.

Btw legion dies anyway which is kinda sad since its meaningless at the end.

[Ahms]

Has anybody considered the possibility that these endings might have been purposefully "leaked" to see core fan base reactions and gather data? It certainly makes for interesting psychological research, if not data for deciding whether or not to work future, "alternate endings," DLC.

[Nevara]

AdhamS wrote...

I am immature, a kid whatever you want to call me, but this is it....I didnt get worked up to get THIS in the end...Its beyond the red line and I CANT CALM DOWN until we find out the truth....To say I am disgusted would be an understatement........

Take a breath and think about it for a second.

I'm not happy about what is to come, not in the slightest, but that doesn't change the fact our hands are tied and we are at their mercy.  If they want to etch-a-sketch the ME universe then they will (eventually) have to deal with the consequences.

Personally, I prefer magnadoodles anyways.  

[Nevara]

Xilizhra wrote...

His enjoyment of the game is subjective to his personal experience. Just because he enjoyed it doesn't mean that I will and, given what BioWare has done to the game, I see myself playing up to the end, enjoying the gameplay along the way, picking my color and letting out a deep sigh of regret rather than satisfaction.

Why do you see yourself playing the thing at all?

Because deep down we're all masochists.

[Ianamus]

Ahms wrote...

Has anybody considered the possibility that these endings might have been purposefully "leaked" to see core fan base reactions and gather data? It certainly makes for interesting psychological research, if not data for deciding whether or not to work future, "alternate endings," DLC.

That would actually be pretty interesting, but I think your giving Bioware too much credit. They probably did just write really bad endings. 

[xtorma]

Kanmuru wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

I am immature, a kid whatever you want to call me, but this is it....I didnt get worked up to get THIS in the end...Its beyond the red line and I CANT CALM DOWN until we find out the truth....To say I am disgusted would be an understatement........

I hope bioware dosent give us anything just so i can see you all rage and cry on the forums. Its actually really fun seeing you guys have a meltdown:D:D:D 

DO IT Bioware!!! 

you are so cool.

[AdhamS]

Nevara wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

I am immature, a kid whatever you want to call me, but this is it....I didnt get worked up to get THIS in the end...Its beyond the red line and I CANT CALM DOWN until we find out the truth....To say I am disgusted would be an understatement........

Take a breath and think about it for a second.

I'm not happy about what is to come, not in the slightest, but that doesn't change the fact our hands are tied and we are at their mercy.  If they want to etch-a-sketch the ME universe then they will (eventually) have to deal with the consequences.

Personally, I prefer magnadoodles anyways.  

Allow to me elaborate, Bioware always keep singing "OOOOH! We have listened to you guys and guess what! We will give you absolutely the opposite of what you want! TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOO"

I aint gonna be forced to get ME3 shoved down my throat if its gonna be like that.......thankgod shipping needs at least a week, by then we would have found the truth about any happy/sweetbitter/good endings and I can decide to cancel my Pre order or not!

Yes thats another 79 bucks you are going to lose Bioware! Congratulations..clap clap clap clap.

But as always I hope I am wrong,

For the guys who are in love with the endings, if you will just sit around here to laugh at the fans who are dissapointed and depressed then GTFO!

[xtorma]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Ahms wrote...

Has anybody considered the possibility that these endings might have been purposefully "leaked" to see core fan base reactions and gather data? It certainly makes for interesting psychological research, if not data for deciding whether or not to work future, "alternate endings," DLC.

I've I supposed to be a laboratory rat, than I want my cookie as a reward after the experiment.

your reward is being called a child. embrace eternity