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[AkiKishi]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well Xio said that there were other ships that landed on the planet the normandy crashes on there would be more people, it still doesn't make sense to me though. How could they have all gotten there.

The more i think about it the more I think they left stuff out of the space edition.

Explosion super charged the gate and they ended up somewhere else.

[Kanmuru]

Nevara wrote...

@ Kanmuru

Doesn't the Guardian say he can't control the Reapers or something along those lines?

I think he does say that, but im not sure about the context.

Anyway you might try to call it contrived but its not a plot hole

[Maialeth]

Sparatus wrote...

Shepard reaches the top of the Dark Tower the Citadel and then sees to his/her horror that there is a name inscribed on the door.

SHEPARD

Before s/he can react s/he is sucked through the door, and ends up back on Eden Prime. Before her memories fade, she realizes what Sovereign meant by the cycle continuing more times than s/he could fathom. S/he had done this mission, this quest millions of times, only to repeat it at the end.

But this time the cycle has changed. Shepard still has the Cipher and will awaken the Prothean earlier than last time. This time. S/he will break the cycle.

The turian named Saren fled across the galaxy, and the Shepard followed.

LMAO OMG I SO TOTALLY had the same thoughts.

The difference.. I actually liked the ending of the Dark Tower.

[Rdubs]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Technological Singularity.

If you look past your bias and the characters themselves, you'll see it all fits, maybe not as snuggly as the previous dark-energy ending but this does fit, and it makes sense, and the Reapers were never just "bad guys", you didn't know anything about them except their subtle alluded to motives.

This is the item I take the most issue with.

Seconded.  Throwing in a last-minute out-of-the-blue previously-unalluded-to factor to try to plug a plot hole is poor creativity.  Nothing more.  As I said it's like at some point it's like they shifted focus from "okay guys let's wrap it up with ME3 and make it awesome" to "crap, we have to use ME3 to set up for whatever comes next which all has to be the same starting point, so what kind of crap can we fill in to not need to rewrite ME and ME2 which we're stuck with."  After letting that simmer for a few days, serioiusly the only thing they could come up with was a brand new sentient overlord, "Reapers are just misunderstood" and space magic?  Pathetic.
Taking their eye off the ME3 ball to try and instead start trying to worry about the ME4 / MMORPG ball was a fatal error.

[cerberus1701]

[quote]Nerevar-as wrote...

[quote]Sparatus wrote...

[quote]eye basher wrote...

i actually praise Bioware they had the guts to do something more than just fan service.[/quote]

No, see. I can see why people would hate this, and it isn't because it isn't all "bunnies and rainbows" these endings (well ending. They are all too similar) take the bite out of your choices. Take the genophage choice for example.

Why bother not curing it when you know that it won't matter? The krogan will be trapped on Tuchanka anyway and won't be able to harm anyone. And that goes for every other "big" choice. In the end, they won't matter. Without the relays they won't be able to affect galactic society... because there won't be a galactic society left.

[/quote]

They actually don't compare because you're acting like spaceflight is gone.

It's not.

You're acting like FTL doesn't exist.

It does.

Only the superzoom of the Relays is gone. But when, without them, you can still traverse the galaxy tip to tip in only 27 years?

It's not the bodyblow you think it is.

[Nevara]

Kanmuru wrote...

Nevara wrote...

@ Kanmuru

Doesn't the Guardian say he can't control the Reapers or something along those lines?

I think he does say that, but im not sure about the context.

Anyway you might try to call it contrived but its not a plot hole

I could call it that, sure.  But as you said we don't have the context for it.  I'm just cautiously optimistic about it.  I have to give it at least a go once or so.

[Nerevar-as]

[quote]cerberus1701 wrote...

[quote]Nerevar-as wrote...

[quote]Sparatus wrote...

[quote]eye basher wrote...

i actually praise Bioware they had the guts to do something more than just fan service.[/quote]

No, see. I can see why people would hate this, and it isn't because it isn't all "bunnies and rainbows" these endings (well ending. They are all too similar) take the bite out of your choices. Take the genophage choice for example.

Why bother not curing it when you know that it won't matter? The krogan will be trapped on Tuchanka anyway and won't be able to harm anyone. And that goes for every other "big" choice. In the end, they won't matter. Without the relays they won't be able to affect galactic society... because there won't be a galactic society left.

[/quote]

They actually don't compare because you're acting like spaceflight is gone.

It's not.

You're acting like FTL doesn't exist.

It does.

Only the superzoom of the Relays is gone. But when, without them, you can still traverse the galaxy tip to tip in only 27 years?

It's not the bodyblow you think it is.

[/quote]

¿? This isn´t mine.

[cerberus1701]

incinerator950 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

The Illusion of Choice and poor marketing is not a coherent beneficial sales move.

Well, actually, it is great marketing, we fell for it for six years. I didn't realize until between ME 2 and ME 3 that ME is a Kotor knockout with a lot of Smoke and mirrors, Once they started peeling away at it from ME 2 it hit me like a rock.

Oh, please. People have been crying about ME since ME 1. Raging about ME since ME 1

Only the whines have changed.

Of course, they're Bioware fans.

Bioware should just make a CGI Soap Opera series.

I know, right?

A lot of people here are retconning their experience with the game to the point where it's almost, "We loved everything and even what we didn't love we gently, respectfully expressed our opinions over. But now, THIS!? Oh, the humanity of being victimized this way after so many years of quiet awe and acceptance of the rest of ME.

[cerberus1701]

[quote]Nerevar-as wrote...

[quote]cerberus1701 wrote...

[quote]Nerevar-as wrote...

[quote]Sparatus wrote...

[quote]eye basher wrote...

i actually praise Bioware they had the guts to do something more than just fan service.[/quote]

No, see. I can see why people would hate this, and it isn't because it isn't all "bunnies and rainbows" these endings (well ending. They are all too similar) take the bite out of your choices. Take the genophage choice for example.

Why bother not curing it when you know that it won't matter? The krogan will be trapped on Tuchanka anyway and won't be able to harm anyone. And that goes for every other "big" choice. In the end, they won't matter. Without the relays they won't be able to affect galactic society... because there won't be a galactic society left.

[/quote]

They actually don't compare because you're acting like spaceflight is gone.

It's not.

You're acting like FTL doesn't exist.

It does.

Only the superzoom of the Relays is gone. But when, without them, you can still traverse the galaxy tip to tip in only 27 years?

It's not the bodyblow you think it is.

[/quote]

¿? This isn´t mine.

[/quote]

Yeah. Sorry. I have no idea what happened there. I wasn't paying attention. I just let whatever come up come up and started typing.

[Aesieru]

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 03:36 .

[Sashimi_taco]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well Xio said that there were other ships that landed on the planet the normandy crashes on there would be more people, it still doesn't make sense to me though. How could they have all gotten there.

The more i think about it the more I think they left stuff out of the space edition.

Explosion super charged the gate and they ended up somewhere else.

So all points in the explosion lead to the same planet?

[Aesieru]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Technological Singularity.

If you look past your bias and the characters themselves, you'll see it all fits, maybe not as snuggly as the previous dark-energy ending but this does fit, and it makes sense, and the Reapers were never just "bad guys", you didn't know anything about them except their subtle alluded to motives.

This is the item I take the most issue with.

BioWare has never had a clear-cut bad guy, there is always a reason, ALWAYS.

[Nevara]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well Xio said that there were other ships that landed on the planet the normandy crashes on there would be more people, it still doesn't make sense to me though. How could they have all gotten there.

The more i think about it the more I think they left stuff out of the space edition.

Explosion super charged the gate and they ended up somewhere else.

So all points in the explosion lead to the same planet?

That doesn't make sense.  

[Abram730]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Capeo wrote...

The Synergy ending, which Xio showed us last night is the "best" ending.  It's the hardest to get and Joker actually looks happy even though they crashed.  And there's more variables in play.  It also depends if you have the Human Reaper's heart or brain which is based on your Collector Base choice.  They each make some variations harder or easier.  Once you get over a certain readiness level though you can always get the Synergy end though it may be harder to attain.  Apparently most of the variation is more in the missions to collect War Assets as your decisions in this and prior games can effect what options you have there.

We know why Joker's happy, don't we?

He broke his bone...errr?

[Rob_K1]

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.

Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL? (Think it was 28 or so)

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[wicked_being]

FTL still exists...but why does the the old guy in the epilogue say "someday we can travel to the stars again" or something to that effect? I am very confused.

[Elegana]

wicked_being wrote...

FTL still exists...but why does the the old guy in the epilogue say "someday we can travel to the stars again" or something to that effect? I am very confused.

Maybe the colony they live in can't make a ship? 

Or it's an alternate dimension where they also played Mass Effect and it's such an old game that the kid has never played it, but the Grandpa just makes the ME plotline like it actually happened?

[AllThatJazz]

Well, it is all a bit confusing. I think there is FTL back on Earth, where there are still (presumably) working starships or the tech and resources to create more, and in the major centres of population, but not in some out of the way colony set up by refugees. They would need to develop FTL independently, and have not done so yet. I think. I don't know, though, like I said, it's all confusing ...

Edit: wrong quote!

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 03 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[Rdubs]

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".

[Rob_K1]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well Xio said that there were other ships that landed on the planet the normandy crashes on there would be more people, it still doesn't make sense to me though. How could they have all gotten there.

The more i think about it the more I think they left stuff out of the space edition.

Where was that???

I'd be interested in this too.

[Nerevar-as]

Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".

I want to know what someone who calls the Reapers good guys becuase of this understands for good and evil. Clearly not the same things I do.

[HairyMadDog1010]

wicked_being wrote...

FTL still exists...but why does the the old guy in the epilogue say "someday we can travel to the stars again" or something to that effect? I am very confused.

I assume  they are on some backwater colony that had all there ships stolen by people who freaked out over the relay's.

Or that could be the normady planet with that scene just bugged out to show up all the time.

Modifié par HairyMadDog1010, 03 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Nevara wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Well Xio said that there were other ships that landed on the planet the normandy crashes on there would be more people, it still doesn't make sense to me though. How could they have all gotten there.

The more i think about it the more I think they left stuff out of the space edition.

Explosion super charged the gate and they ended up somewhere else.

So all points in the explosion lead to the same planet?

That doesn't make sense.  

Did Xio actually say something like this?

I just wonder why even the leakers drip-feed us stuff that could clarify things and misunderstandings.

And I know someone will say:
"Just play the game Ghost!"

I want to, it's in my hard drive (GameFly pre-load), but Origin wants the release date to come.