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Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".


I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 

I assure you it was. Not the most directly, but it isn't a surprise to me.

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Aesieru wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".


I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 

I assure you it was. Not the most directly, but it isn't a surprise to me.


Actually though I hate to agree with Aesieru on anything here, the Reapers ending up being the 'good guys' was foreshadowed in the previous two games.  I was just hoping Bioware would have a clue and not actually go down that path.  Apparently I was wrong /sigh

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Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".


I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 

I assure you it was. Not the most directly, but it isn't a surprise to me.


Actually though I hate to agree with Aesieru on anything here, the Reapers ending up being the 'good guys' was foreshadowed in the previous two games.  I was just hoping Bioware would have a clue and not actually go down that path.  Apparently I was wrong /sigh


Yes, because making things more complex than "Hah I am bad" is good story writing.

Apparently agreeing with me is also bad.

Is food with more than one flavor bad too?

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Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".


I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 

I assure you it was. Not the most directly, but it isn't a surprise to me.


Actually though I hate to agree with Aesieru on anything here, the Reapers ending up being the 'good guys' was foreshadowed in the previous two games.  I was just hoping Bioware would have a clue and not actually go down that path.  Apparently I was wrong /sigh


Yes, because making things more complex than "Hah I am bad" is good story writing.

Apparently agreeing with me is also bad.

Is food with more than one flavor bad too?


You know everything doesn't have to be convoluted, it can be simple and straight forward.  I like simple and straight forward, my life is convoluted enough as it is.

It's not that agreeing with you is a bad thing, it's more along the lines of I don't want to set a precidence when I don't agree with you on a lot of things :devil:

I love Mexican food, I love Italian food, so the more flavors the better :wizard:

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Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.

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In theory it takes roughly 20 years to travel across the galaxy with default FTL, but there might be several difficulties in accomplishing so - fuel capacity, core discharging and so on. In reality, it would take a bit longer, depending on the logistics of the certain routes - in my opinion it's reasonable enough, but can't effectively replace mass relays.

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I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file




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Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.


Which has always begged the question of exactly how the Mass Relay's were placed in the first place.

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Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.

its 27 years you have to do more than just divide 100,000 by 12, you then have to divide 8,000 by 365 and you get like around 27.
edit: probably wrong i hate math with time.

Modifié par gmr89, 03 mars 2012 - 04:16 .


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I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file



Swamp gas.

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EJ107 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.


Which has always begged the question of exactly how the Mass Relay's were placed in the first place.


The reapers built them, I'd imagine they built them over a course of time that was long but then they left, they built their prison then they left.

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nvm

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CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file


I've seen it with my own eyes, but i can't believe it. :blink:

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Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.


Exactly - i think the math is simple enough.
MW is roughly 90 000 LY across while FTL enables to you to travel 12 LY withing a day: so it takes 7500 days of constant FTL travel to get across, while that makes 20 years and 205 +/- days.

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fosokles wrote...

In theory it takes roughly 20 years to travel across the galaxy with default FTL, but there might be several difficulties in accomplishing so - fuel capacity, core discharging and so on. In reality, it would take a bit longer, depending on the logistics of the certain routes - in my opinion it's reasonable enough, but can't effectively replace mass relays.


With the destroy ending the Reapers "corpses" are still available, so their FTL could be retroengineered. We know they travel faster from the ME2 ending and don´t have the charge problem, at least not the way Council ships have it.

Not as good as Relays, but enough to keep some semblance of society across more than a few clusters.

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Aesieru wrote...

I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 


Question then, does readiness (and not the total EMS), go up with War assets or does it need multiplayer?

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Sparatus wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file



Swamp gas.


MAJOR SPOILER SO MUCH SO THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ULTRA SPOILER SECTION:alien:

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EJ107 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.


Which has always begged the question of exactly how the Mass Relay's were placed in the first place.


Think Stargate Universe automated ships for gate construction.

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how the hell are relays a prison. Relays are jut tech that make travel between clusters faster. Is you car or the train netwrok or a airplane for that matter a prison.

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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 


Question then, does readiness (and not the total EMS), go up with War assets or does it need multiplayer?


There is a Galactic War Asset that is for the Single Player, then there is a multiplier that comes from the ratings on Multiplayer. You do not need Multiplayer to get the optimal endings.

The Asset value is multiplied by the multiplayer asset multiplier.

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I am not sure how to express my anger and outrage towards Bioware on this

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zeypher wrote...

how the hell are relays a prison. Relays are jut tech that make travel between clusters faster. Is you car or the train netwrok or a airplane for that matter a prison.


They determine the path of technology we will take so as to avoid taking other paths that might lie outside the Reapers focus for us and thus allow us possibly escape their prison by means of our own travel.

Each race, despite being alien, uses the same technology, this is the trap.

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Without your airplanes, your cars, and your subways, you will lose the ability to rapidly transit, and you will need to find a new way, but with them, you stop looking for methods, and only seek to advance that which you already have.

You need a reason to search outside the box, usually War is this reason.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 04:18 .


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Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.


Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.


The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.


No it would take 22-24 years give or take a few months. Ships can travel 12 LY/day with the standard FTL give or take couple of days to tank or discharge the core.

Modifié par Armass81, 03 mars 2012 - 04:23 .


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Aesieru wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file



Swamp gas.


MAJOR SPOILER SO MUCH SO THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ULTRA SPOILER SECTION:alien:

   


what so the truth can be hidden oh hell no . The endings are in fact real its time  all the ones who say they are not accept it

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CerberusSoldier wrote...

I am not sure how to express my anger and outrage towards Bioware on this


Diss rap.