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[iamthedave3]

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

"Tech singularity and reapers being good guys" had never been "built up throughout the series if you just paid attention." Not even with the strongest amounts of hindsight bias can one reasonable try to claim that. On March 6th we'll see just how many people are like "you're right that was alluded to all along guess I messed it" versus "what the hell was that?????".

I just played both games over the past week, 100% everything. 

I assure you it was. Not the most directly, but it isn't a surprise to me.

Actually though I hate to agree with Aesieru on anything here, the Reapers ending up being the 'good guys' was foreshadowed in the previous two games.  I was just hoping Bioware would have a clue and not actually go down that path.  Apparently I was wrong /sigh

Yes, because making things more complex than "Hah I am bad" is good story writing.

Apparently agreeing with me is also bad.

Is food with more than one flavor bad too?

The reapers never said they were bad. The reapers in ME 1 are presented as chtuloid; incomprehensible. They do what they do because they do it, and your opinion on the matter is irrelevant because you are irrelevant.

Cthulhu is not a deep, complex villain. Nor is it evil. It's incomprehensible.

[zeypher]

so a relay which gets me from cluster A to cluster B instantly, why would one not want to use it. Find an alternative when a perfectly viable method exists. Reapers used tech in one way. Tech is tech, it has no bias, bias comes from how it is used

[Aesieru]

zeypher wrote...

so a relay which gets me from cluster A to cluster B instantly, why would one not want to use it. Find an alternative when a perfectly viable method exists. Reapers used tech in one way. Tech is tech, it has no bias, bias comes from how it is used

You sir have not paid attention to anything in the game then, suffice it to say, you are wrong, the game explains this, the lore explains this, common sense does as well.

[Aesieru]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Swamp gas.

MAJOR SPOILER SO MUCH SO THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ULTRA SPOILER SECTION:alien:

   


what so the truth can be hidden oh hell no . The endings are in fact real its time  all the ones who say they are not accept it

We were never debating whether they were real, but you just gave a spoiler that without the proper context (what leads up to it) will never be understood and will just incite more rage because people don't understand or are too thick to understand.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Aesieru wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Swamp gas.

MAJOR SPOILER SO MUCH SO THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ULTRA SPOILER SECTION:alien:

   


what so the truth can be hidden oh hell no . The endings are in fact real its time  all the ones who say they are not accept it

We were never debating whether they were real, but you just gave a spoiler that without the proper context (what leads up to it) will never be understood and will just incite more rage because people don't understand or are too thick to understand.

Don't try to argue with the people who propagate this type of stuff. Their idea is that they know everything for the better and need to enlighten the rest of us. 

Sad times. 

[humes spork]

Aesieru wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Actually though I hate to agree with Aesieru on anything here, the Reapers ending up being the 'good guys' was foreshadowed in the previous two games.  I was just hoping Bioware would have a clue and not actually go down that path.  Apparently I was wrong /sigh

Yes, because making things more complex than "Hah I am bad" is good story writing.

Apparently agreeing with me is also bad.

Is food with more than one flavor bad too?

The thing is, it's very weakly foreshadowed and its justification only cobbled together from a handful of weak sources. It's not a "giant space flea from nowhere" ending but on the other hand it hardly flows well from the storytelling that preceded it.

The reapers never said they were bad. The reapers in ME 1 are presented as chtuloid; incomprehensible. They do what they do because they do it, and your opinion on the matter is irrelevant because you are irrelevant.

Cthulhu is not a deep, complex villain. Nor is it evil. It's incomprehensible. 

Well, the thing is by the end of even the first game illusions of the Reapers as incomprehensible eldritch space gods was rendered unfeasible from a storytellers' perspective. That is because Sovereign's downfall was hubris (and an unparalleled sense of imagination and foresight, but I digress) -- a human trait. The more you humanize and exposit upon characters or a class of characters, the more relatable they are to an audience and the more ignorance is dispelled. Like I mentioned in a post on this thread ~200 pages ago, the Lovecraftian elements in play in Mass Effect only function under a veil of ignorance that has long since been lifted.

[Rob_K1]

Armass81 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.

Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.

The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.

No it would take 22-24 years give or take a few months. Ships can travel 12 LY/day with the standard FTL give or take couple of days to tank or discharge the core.

Fair enough. Cheers for the replies (to people I haven't quoted too).

I do have thought though, the videos that have been data-mined:

They are pre-rendered, so they can't be modified and aren't using the in-game engine, correct? In other words, the in-game cinematics using the normal engine cannot be viewed.

Would it be fair to say there is more to look at when it comes to the endings that cannot be datamined? Granted, it would also possibly need dialog. which I 'think' can be found.

I'm not tech savvy when it comes to all of this, so...

[PimpingPanda]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Abaddon_86 wrote...

Bioware offers a service to potential customers.
If customers are happy due to the service received, Bioware will be happy, because the customers will stick to future services, as they know they always receive quality work.
If Bioware supposedly shows "guts" by displeasing its regular customers by offering service that is not coherent with previous services and its customers' wishes and expectations, then Bioware would indeed be f*ckin stupid, as both, Bioware and its customers are agents in a supply and demand based economy and customers would change their previous behaviour of sticking with Bioware and its services and consider changing their supplier in the near future.
So no, they would NOT show that they have big balls, by pissing their customers off.

   


Oh please they offer a entertainment product . but the thing is they have allowed for player choice . In their games and now they say F U . No that does not sit well with me 

^ This

[zeypher]

so i have to ask when did mass effect warp into the 40k universe. I like 40k, but i play mass effect and 40k for different things. So i take it mass effect is also heading for the unending meat grinder?

Modifié par zeypher, 03 mars 2012 - 04:32 .

[Rdubs]

I do get a chuckle at watching people now try to claim "I knew the reapers all along were not bad guys or just misunderstood." It reminds me of people running for political office who say "Had I been in office at the time I never would have voted for X" when it turns out much later that X was unpopular or a bad idea.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.

Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.

The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.

No it would take 22-24 years give or take a few months. Ships can travel 12 LY/day with the standard FTL give or take couple of days to tank or discharge the core.

Fair enough. Cheers for the replies (to people I haven't quoted too).

I do have thought though, the videos that have been data-mined:

They are pre-rendered, so they can't be modified and aren't using the in-game engine, correct? In other words, the in-game cinematics using the normal engine cannot be viewed.

Would it be fair to say there is more to look at when it comes to the endings that cannot be datamined? Granted, it would also possibly need dialog. which I 'think' can be found.

I'm not tech savvy when it comes to all of this, so...

You are absolutely right. We do not know how the rest of the stuff plays out, because BioWare can't render the actual endings where Shepard walks around because then you need the in-game Engine. Lots of things in this thread is conjecture because we only know clips...and not the entire ending. 

What a lot of people fail to understand is that most here have agreed that the endings presented are legit, but we maintain that there is more to them than is being given away by the leakers. 

Is that true? SOme reviewers seem to agree here. They think the endings are well executed. 

So you'll actually have to see for yourself. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Asari wrote...

i dont understand why bioware hasn't said anything, i mean this is a spoiler forum, that means we dont really care if we get spoiled. so why not just either say these are the endings, deal with it or these ending are not true to reasure people. i mean people are canceling their pre orders, and that means that bioware and ea are losing money, yeah you hear that bioware/EA youre losing money. got your attention... good. the major problem here is the fate of the normandy and your crew and your LI. if it just had been one , not happy ending, but an ending with your crew, would have pleased almost everyone. and bioware wouldn't have this problem.

The only reason for Bioware to not come out and say "This is nonsense, there are more endings than the multiple-choice crapsack endings"... is that there really are only the crapsack endings.  

Anyone with a PR bone in his body would take one look at the backlash Bioware is getting right now and nip the lost sales in the bud -- if there were more endings than the crapsacks we know about. 

So we know that there are not any more endings than the crapsacks.

[CerberusSoldier]

Aesieru wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Swamp gas.

MAJOR SPOILER SO MUCH SO THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS THREAD THAT SHOULD BE IN THE ULTRA SPOILER SECTION:alien:

   


what so the truth can be hidden oh hell no . The endings are in fact real its time  all the ones who say they are not accept it

We were never debating whether they were real, but you just gave a spoiler that without the proper context (what leads up to it) will never be understood and will just incite more rage because people don't understand or are too thick to understand.

    






This is the spoiler section so it was fair game . The audio file lays out the 3 choices and the end has the audio from the epilogue . its sad the endings are in fact real.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Rdubs wrote...

I do get a chuckle at watching people now try to claim "I knew the reapers all along were not bad guys or just misunderstood." It reminds me of people running for political office who say "Had I been in office at the time I never would have voted for X" when it turns out much later that X was unpopular or a bad idea.

I think you misunderstand. 

People universally accepted that the Reapers had a purpose that was unknown throughout 1 and 2. A reason for what they were doing. We just didn't know it yet. 

Providing an answer to that makes them appear different. A very often used plot device in movies. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

I can't believe they're tying Shep's fate to the damn fish...

[Aesieru]

We never doubted the endings were real, but we had no context to view why other than ME 1 and ME 2. Gagh.

There's a dif between a spoiler, and telling someone something that will ONLY be misinterpreted until they play the game themselves.

[RazorrX]

The reapers were originally based on the Inhibitors from Alistair Reynolds' series. Instead of existing to move the galaxy in order to avoid it colliding with another galaxy in a billion years (AR series) they were originally going to be wiping out civilized life due to Dark Matter.

Dark Matter - NOT Technical Singularity.

This changed when Drew Left. So it was not in ME1 at all.

[dw99027]

fosokles wrote...

In theory it takes roughly 20 years to travel across the galaxy with default FTL, but there might be several difficulties in accomplishing so - fuel capacity, core discharging and so on. In reality, it would take a bit longer, depending on the logistics of the certain routes - in my opinion it's reasonable enough, but can't effectively replace mass relays.

Does FTL capability overcome relativity? Does a person planetside and a person on board a ship during FTL not have time affect them differently? Has ME lore touched on this at all?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


The only reason for Bioware to not come out and say "This is nonsense, there are more endings than the multiple-choice crapsack endings"... is that there really are only the crapsack endings.  

The problem with Bioware was always that they are absolutely convinced by their own work and can't accept other sentiments. They think we are all whining babies and trolling because we can't understand how brillant their writing is.

That's close to my impression -- thus my earlier reference to them drinking their own coolaide. 

[ediskrad327]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I can't believe they're tying Shep's fate to the damn fish...

fish Jesus is our hope

[LilyasAvalon]

Only a few more days until the storm hits... Is it wise to just sit on BSN with some popcorn and wait?

[panamakira]

So I have a question.....The Protheans had made in ME1 a prototype relay to go from Ilos to the Citadel. I'm guessing they figured out how do it without Reaper technology, if we choose the DESTROY ending, can't the Galaxy use that technology to replace the current Reaper relays?

Unless of course nobody thought to grab that from Ilos and no matter what they can't reach Ilos in the first place because the replays get detsroyed? LMAO~

Also just watched the "Launch Trailer". The whole feeling I got was DO or DIE type of things and the end..."This is it, isn't it...?" Should tell people that haven't read the spoilers that things WILL NOT go the way you want them to.

The part when Anderson is telling Shep to gather as much resources....I kept thinking..."Will it make a difference??!??!"

*sigh*

[Rob_K1]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't know why I even keep trying to explain this, but it wasn't OUT OF THE BLUE, this had been built up throughout the series if you just paid attention.

Also, you can't traverse the galaxy in 27 years.

It'll take thousands to travel.

Not saying you're wrong, as I have no clue myself, but wasn't there a conversation with a character in ME 1 that mentions it'd take between 20 - 30 years to travel the galaxy, with current FTL?

At least that is what I've seen people say on the forums anyway.

The diameter of our galaxy is approximately 100,000 light-years. According to the FTL speed in Mass Effect, it would take a little over 8,000 years to travel across the milky way.

No it would take 22-24 years give or take a few months. Ships can travel 12 LY/day with the standard FTL give or take couple of days to tank or discharge the core.

Fair enough. Cheers for the replies (to people I haven't quoted too).

I do have thought though, the videos that have been data-mined:

They are pre-rendered, so they can't be modified and aren't using the in-game engine, correct? In other words, the in-game cinematics using the normal engine cannot be viewed.

Would it be fair to say there is more to look at when it comes to the endings that cannot be datamined? Granted, it would also possibly need dialog. which I 'think' can be found.

I'm not tech savvy when it comes to all of this, so...

You are absolutely right. We do not know how the rest of the stuff plays out, because BioWare can't render the actual endings where Shepard walks around because then you need the in-game Engine. Lots of things in this thread is conjecture because we only know clips...and not the entire ending. 

What a lot of people fail to understand is that most here have agreed that the endings presented are legit, but we maintain that there is more to them than is being given away by the leakers. 

Is that true? SOme reviewers seem to agree here. They think the endings are well executed. 

So you'll actually have to see for yourself. 

Cheers for the backup. It seems every reviewer and every 'leaker' has enjoyed it so far. At least one has also said the endings aren't actually what we think, if he/she is legit. (The gamefaqs one)

So again, it comes down to context and everything else like I said. It's perhaps best to just play the game and then come to the forums to voice your displeasure if you so desire.