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[Sia_Sinblade]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I think Mass Effect 3 will crush any hopes of games being on the level of movies and other forms of story telling

The mistake is trying to make games into movies -- a movie is a passive form of entertainment in which a story is presented to the viewer. 

A game is an active form of entertainment in which the player needs a level of control. 

Note the difference, Bioware.  Movies have viewers, games have players.  HUGE distinction.

    


David Jaffee was right at DICE when he said game developers should say F U to any sort of story and work on making games with fun game play . This clearly shows that games should be about the game play not the story

Then why is everyone ****ing and moaning about the story? If it's not important? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Armass81 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

The reapers were originally based on the Inhibitors from Alistair Reynolds' series. Instead of existing to move the galaxy in order to avoid it colliding with another galaxy in a billion years (AR series) they were originally going to be wiping out civilized life due to Dark Matter.

Dark Matter - NOT Technical Singularity.

This changed when Drew Left. So it was not in ME1 at all.

Sounds like it lingered on in ME2 -- see Haestrom, etc.

The way ME2 was set up, I was also led to believe Dark Matter was going to be important.

Ive read that Dark matter solution thing, and frankly, as bad as this tech singularity explanation is, that thing would have been even worse. It makes no freaking sense at least to me in context of everything the last games explained. And if you think these endings were dark, try those in the dark matter one. If people get this upset over what we got now, the dark matter ones would have had them sink into uncurable depression.

The "dark matter" endings would be just as bad, yes.  That wasn't the point.  

Any reveal that the Reapers had a "higher purpose" is pure nonsense and BS.  They're monsters, not saviors, and all that talk from Harby was just hot air from an arrogant pissant.  End.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

[Sia_Sinblade]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

[Rdubs]

What will be most interesting is I expect this game to score very well on reviews. And aside from the ending it's a great game. But for the end of a trilogy that's a big "aside from." Like "well aside from that Mrs. Lincoln how did you enjoy the play?"

The other thing is unless a reviewer loves the game as much as the true fans who have done multiple playthroughs I doubt they'll FEEL the disappointment fans would have. People not invested will give this game a lot higher marks than people who are invested in the series.

[Killjoy Cutter]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I think Mass Effect 3 will crush any hopes of games being on the level of movies and other forms of story telling

The mistake is trying to make games into movies -- a movie is a passive form of entertainment in which a story is presented to the viewer. 

A game is an active form of entertainment in which the player needs a level of control. 

Note the difference, Bioware.  Movies have viewers, games have players.  HUGE distinction.

    


David Jaffee was right at DICE when he said game developers should say F U to any sort of story and work on making games with fun game play . This clearly shows that games should be about the game play not the story

If you have a story, you write it or implement it in such a way that it deprives the player of his sense of agency. 

The player cannot just be along for the ride with the story as an excuse to get from one combat to another, he must have a sense that his choices and actions matter. 

It's the difference between listening to someone tell a story, and sitting down at a table to play a pen-and-paper RPG.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

Yay, some guys think the crapsack endings are great. 

People also drink Miller Lite, listen to Brittany Spears, and think Jersey Shore is great fun. 

Given what we know, there is NO context that can make the endings anything but choosing between different sacks of crap.

[Capeo]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

Yeah, maybe when i see the endings in context i can be okay with them. 

Sashimi, did you listen to that dialog with the Guardian above?  Eeeesh.  I was holding out hope that context would rectify the endings a bit too but I hadn't heard that dialog.  The Guardian has the same voice as the kid in the vent.

I was taking a break and trying speed through an NG+ game on my canon Shep because I don't even remember all the choices I made.  Now, well, it don't matter.  I know what ending I'm taking in 3.  Destroy with low EMS.  Shep dies, Earth dies, the crew dies, the Geth die, EDI dies.  I think I'm going scorched Earth on this mofo, lol.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rdubs wrote...

What will be most interesting is I expect this game to score very well on reviews. And aside from the ending it's a great game. But for the end of a trilogy that's a big "aside from." Like "well aside from that Mrs. Lincoln how did you enjoy the play?"

The other thing is unless a reviewer loves the game as much as the true fans who have done multiple playthroughs I doubt they'll FEEL the disappointment fans would have. People not invested will give this game a lot higher marks than people who are invested in the series.

A lot of the reviewers will be people who care more about the "awesome" combat and cinematics, than about the way the story was violated. 

[raven_corrino]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

The endings are the same.. Went through them just now.. But seeing them in video looks pretty amazing.. But how do you see if the patch has been downloaded?

[Rob_K1]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

You know what? I think I'm just going to pack it in. People are adamant in believing this is all there is to the endings, without having seen the game play out and the endings themselves, all based on a few clips that aren't in-game cinematics. Clips all seen without context, I might add. nevermind that other's interpretations could be wrong. And like you and I have said, the sources seem to like the endings and this includes non-reviewers.

So, honestly, I don't think there is anything you or I can do to change people's views, just like they cannot change ours. If they're set on hating the game or the endings, then let them. That will not stop us or others enjoying the game, if we do. And I am pretty damned sure I will end up enjoying the game.

And if they want to sit here complaining about a game, then let 'em. I know I've wasted far too much time on these forums of late.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 05:23 .

[humes spork]

Aramintai wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

A data mined audio clip of Anderson talking to Shepard at what I assume is the game's end, so be warned:



Never heard that dialog mentioned by leakers, have you? So, like I've said... I'm not calling the endings fake, I'm saying wait and see how the full game is. We're not getting the full picture here, I'm quite certain.

It takes place before the end, during final showdown with TIM.

Yea. See, this is what's extra-frustrating about this whole Crucible/Guardian/Catalyst thing. That clip with Shepard and Anderson? Really good stuff, that's the kind of thing that gives chills just hearing it and not even seeing it play out in game, in context. There's not even a tenth as much emotion, thought and sheer power in what we've seen of the endings thus far as what is in that one clip alone.

[Garrus30]

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Oh, no, no, no. I was resigning myself to these endings but... No. The Catalyst is the God damned kid!?!  Wow. Just... Wow.  What did they use one voice for every friggin' child in the ME universe?  Even the epilogue kid had the same voice. 

I haven't wached the video, but

Why do guys keep spoiling yourself, piece by piece without context? You make the game worse than it actually is/will be.
The game might be bad for some of you, but grabbing to stuffs from the ending in wrong order makes more and more less sense, that looks like you are clutchin at any straw that at the end nothing is left.
Just wait for for reviews, videos or let's play.

Modifié par Garrus30, 03 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[Sia_Sinblade]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

Yay, some guys think the crapsack endings are great. 

People also drink Miller Lite, listen to Brittany Spears, and think Jersey Shore is great fun. 

Given what we know, there is NO context that can make the endings anything but choosing between different sacks of crap.

Ahh, the age old comeback of, people like crap things. Very lovely. How's the air up there on your skyscraper horse? 

Given what we know, we know the majority of people who have reported on the game have enjoyed the endings. Now you can say that they are all idiots and your opinion should hold paramount, but given that you haven't experienced the whole game, forgive me for painting you as an arrogant sort of person. 

It's fine for you to not like what you know so far. It's even fine if you don't like the endings at all. I don't really care, my sense of self-esteem does not stem from my enjoyment of a game. 

I am merely pointing out the fact that we, in fact, DO NOT KNOW ALL THE CONTEXT. We do not know everything there is to know. Even with all the cleverly mined files, we only have a fragmented puzzle of what the endings will be like. If it's enough for you to judge how crappy they are to you, fine...be my guest. 

I'll humbly disagree and decide for myself when I experience them in their full form, not in a random hacked up way on youtube. Not even coherent. Not even pieced together...not even with game-engine cutscenes in them. 

Enjoy your high horse. 

[Rdubs]

All I have to say is, if march 6th rolls around and Xio starts up to play and it says "a patch is required" maybe there is hope.

Darn you all to hell bioware, why couldn't you have just done a simple DA:O slideshow so I could see what becomes and how my decisions played out. Oh that's right sorry I forgot - you need to set the stage for MMORPG which requires a forced canned ending.

Modifié par Rdubs, 03 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Capeo]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I think Mass Effect 3 will crush any hopes of games being on the level of movies and other forms of story telling

The mistake is trying to make games into movies -- a movie is a passive form of entertainment in which a story is presented to the viewer. 

A game is an active form of entertainment in which the player needs a level of control. 

Note the difference, Bioware.  Movies have viewers, games have players.  HUGE distinction.

    


David Jaffee was right at DICE when he said game developers should say F U to any sort of story and work on making games with fun game play . This clearly shows that games should be about the game play not the story

I wouldn't agree with that.  You just need a consistent story and a consistent gameplay model.  I think the problem is the idea of agency, or the illusion of it in this case.  Nobody moans about the endings of games like Uncharted.  Nate is the character, not you.  There's never any illusion that you have any agency other than moving Nate through the story and that can be fantastic.  But when a series is purportedly about massive choices that build and culminate in options?  When the series allows to to make your own character and purports to give you agency you expect a payoff that affords you more agency than Red, Blue and Green.

[Rob_K1]

humes spork wrote...

Aramintai wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

A data mined audio clip of Anderson talking to Shepard at what I assume is the game's end, so be warned:



Never heard that dialog mentioned by leakers, have you? So, like I've said... I'm not calling the endings fake, I'm saying wait and see how the full game is. We're not getting the full picture here, I'm quite certain.

It takes place before the end, during final showdown with TIM.

Yea. See, this is what's extra-frustrating about this whole Crucible/Guardian/Catalyst thing. That clip with Shepard and Anderson? Really good stuff, that's the kind of thing that gives chills just hearing it and not even seeing it play out in game, in context. There's not even a tenth as much emotion, thought and sheer power in what we've seen of the endings thus far as what is in that one clip alone.

This is my last post:

Humes, as I said a few posts back, there could be additional cinematics (and I'm damned sure there will be), rendered via the game-engine, that help flesh out the endings. Ones that we do not have access to as they are rendered with the in-game engine.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 03 mars 2012 - 05:29 .

[Exia001]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

You know what? I think I'm just going to pack it in. People are adamant in believing this is all there is to the endings, without having seen the game play out and the endings themselves, all based on a few clips that aren't in-game cinematics. Clips all seen without context, I might add. nevermind that other's interpretations could be wrong. And like you and I have said, the sources seem to like the endings and this includes non-reviewers.

So, honestly, I don't think there is anything you or I can do to change people's views, just like they cannot change ours. If they're set on hating the game or the endings, then let them. That will not stop us or others enjoying the game, if we do. And I am pretty damned sure I will end up enjoying the game.

And if they want to sit here complaining about a game, then let 'em. I know I've wasted far too much time on these forums of late.

I will follow you to the ends of the Earth, sir

[Kanmuru]

Rob_K1 wrote...

You know what? I think I'm just going to pack it in. People are adamant in believing this is all there is to the endings, without having seen the game play out and the endings themselves, all based on a few clips that aren't in-game cinematics. Clips all seen without context, I might add. nevermind that other's interpretations could be wrong. And like you and I have said, the sources seem to like the endings and this includes non-reviewers.

So, honestly, I don't think there is anything you or I can do to change people's views, just like they cannot change ours. If they're set on hating the game or the endings, then let them. That will not stop us or others enjoying the game, if we do. And I am pretty damned sure I will end up enjoying the game.

And if they want to sit here complaining about a game, then let 'em. I know I've wasted far too much time on these forums of late.

Please dont go, we cant fight them without you!!!! NOOOOOOOO

[Sia_Sinblade]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

I am merely pointing out the fact that we, in fact, DO NOT KNOW ALL THE CONTEXT. We do not know everything there is to know.

I'm a romantic. For me there's in a adventure story only one option for a good ending: The hero survives and get the girl. All other would be crap - regardless of any context.

Good for you! Like I said in the rest of my post, if you know enough to decide these endings are crap for you. That's your choice to make. But don't claim we know the whole picture...because we don't. 

[Gandalf.lotr]

Rob_K1 wrote...

This is my last post:

Humes, as I said a few posts back, there could be additional cinematics (and I'm damned sure there will be), rendered via the game-engine, that help flesh out the endings. Ones that we do not have access to as they are rendered with the in-game engine.

The only problem is even IF there is such a cinematic via game-engine the audio still has to be stored with the other audio data. But you can convert all the audio files in the folder and listen to them and at least I couldn't find a single audio file that would help to bring the game to a better ending.

[blueruin]

Random Jerkface wrote...

This thread needs to calm its collective ****** and listen to this. You couldn't possibly be mad.

AHAHAHA these are amazing how do they have such low view counts.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

damn it that vid had me convinced 100%..I had to watch it until the ver last sec to believe this isn't just another fake. The VA sounds legit and the script is sound.

Really tough choice, which I really hate to make any one of them...maybe I'm easily brainwashed but the merge synthetic option sounds kinda logical to me after hearing all that...what you guys think?