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[Major Swift]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Major Swift wrote...
*wakes up, starts catching up, sees this* damn, would have tagged along with my justicar lol
*goes back to catching up/checking  few things*

We didn't get a chance to do any MP because XBL wasn't letting us form a party. We're going to try again tomorrow so you can bring your Justicar along for some fun then!

alright! and i had that happening a week or so ago when i was trying to play some MP with my brother

[Major Swift]

3,000,000 banshees, why do i feel that goal won't be reached this weekend? lol
"Survive until a full extraction on any map against any enemy on gold difficulty." that should be easy though, not like i get anything useful in these packs though lol, not sure what to think if vorcha are joining in to the mix of races/classes

Modifié par Major Swift, 10 mai 2012 - 10:48 .

[Phoenix NL]

New article in Forbes about Operation Tsunami:
http://www.forbes.co...letter-tsunami/

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

New article in Forbes about Operation Tsunami:
http://www.forbes.co...letter-tsunami/

Still, I can’t help but wonder if we’re seeing diminishing returns at this point. The DLC is in the works. I’m pretty sure that no matter how much BioWare dodged and spun with their PR deflections, they still get the point, loud and clear. Whether they succeed at satisfying fans at this point is up in the air, but I don’t think more counter-PR efforts are going to have much of an effect at this point.

This, thousand times this. I might just as well written that article, it sums up my feelings about HTL campaigns so well.

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

New article in Forbes about Operation Tsunami:
http://www.forbes.co...letter-tsunami/

Still, I can’t help but wonder if we’re seeing diminishing returns at this point. The DLC is in the works. I’m pretty sure that no matter how much BioWare dodged and spun with their PR deflections, they still get the point, loud and clear. Whether they succeed at satisfying fans at this point is up in the air, but I don’t think more counter-PR efforts are going to have much of an effect at this point.

This, thousand times this. I might just as well written that article, it sums up my feelings about HTL campaigns so well.

Ditto!

[Atrocity]

Major Swift wrote...

3,000,000 banshees, why do i feel that goal won't be reached this weekend? lol
"Survive until a full extraction on any map against any enemy on gold difficulty." that should be easy though, not like i get anything useful in these packs though lol, not sure what to think if vorcha are joining in to the mix of races/classes

Well, a gold run againts reapers can be nearly 10 banshees per game, and a casual gold player usually does around 3 in a row, hc players do 5 to 6, so let's make it 5 for average. That means 50 banshees killed in one night by 4 players, and that's only assuming there is only 1 session that day. Usually there are 2-3, so at least 100 banshees per day, per 4 people. On one platform. Not that hard or unlikely, since there are many MP players, and even more of those HC palyers who do 15 gold games per day during weekends.

And I like vorcha, IF they regenerate health like in ME2. Too bad there are only 4 players per game, I have this wonderful image floating around my head,  of a brute getting overrun by those little buggers, dragged to the ground and then eaten alive. 

[Phoenix NL]

Atrocity wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

3,000,000 banshees, why do i feel that goal won't be reached this weekend? lol
"Survive until a full extraction on any map against any enemy on gold difficulty." that should be easy though, not like i get anything useful in these packs though lol, not sure what to think if vorcha are joining in to the mix of races/classes

Well, a gold run againts reapers can be nearly 10 banshees per game, and a casual gold player usually does around 3 in a row, hc players do 5 to 6, so let's make it 5 for average. That means 50 banshees killed in one night by 4 players, and that's only assuming there is only 1 session that day. Usually there are 2-3, so at least 100 banshees per day, per 4 people. On one platform. Not that hard or unlikely, since there are many MP players, and even more of those HC palyers who do 15 gold games per day during weekends.

And I like vorcha, IF they regenerate health like in ME2. Too bad there are only 4 players per game, I have this wonderful image floating around my head,  of a brute getting overrun by those little buggers, dragged to the ground and then eaten alive. 

You think of the sweetest things.

Edit: That's also not taking into account that if the challenge is to kill that many Banshees, people will be almost exclusively choosing Reapers for their enemies rather than leave it as random.

Modifié par Phoenix NL, 10 mai 2012 - 11:35 .

[Atrocity]

Phoenix NL wrote...

You think of the sweetest things.

I know.  But that's the way I have always imagined vorcha to really fight, when not bound by prejudiced rules of gems of civilisation like Omega.
  They fight like hungry little desperate scavengers that they are, especially now that no one is going to complain about them disposing of the killed reaper bodies 

[Goodwood]

Yeah, I kinda think the tsunami of letters is a bit overboard. If someone wants to post a letter that's fine, but three or four? Also, how can one play five or six gold matches in one day?!

[Atrocity]

Goodwood wrote...

Yeah, I kinda think the tsunami of letters is a bit overboard. If someone wants to post a letter that's fine, but three or four? Also, how can one play five or six gold matches in one day?!

By playing?
I usually do 3 in a row with a good team, since gold with good team takes only around 25 minutes. Not that different from silver. 

[The 20th Maine]

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

[-PG-Skyre]

The 20th Maine wrote...

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

And when a movie director makes a bad movie (racist, sexist, completely stupid and/or whatever else), plus studios shutting down TV series, writers doing really bad books, internet pages doing stupid things and many more situations.
The games industry wants to be taken seriously, but we as gamers can't be taken as seriously as readers and movie goers...*sigh* Can't have one without the other. But I guess I'm just being "whiny".

[Phoenix NL]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

The 20th Maine wrote...

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

And when a movie director makes a bad movie (racist, sexist, completely stupid and/or whatever else), plus studios shutting down TV series, writers doing really bad books, internet pages doing stupid things and many more situations.
The games industry wants to be taken seriously, but we as gamers can't be taken as seriously as readers and movie goers...*sigh* Can't have one without the other. But I guess I'm just being "whiny".

Yes, how dare you use logic to whine about these things! Pfft, entitled consumer!

[Goodwood]

The 20th Maine wrote...

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

Per the rest, that's pretty much exactly what we're on about: our complaints are just as legit.

BTW, I find it amusing that you've chosen for yourself as a screen name the designation for a regiment of Federal troops that honored itself during the American Civil War's most remembered battle.

[-PG-Skyre]

Phoenix NL wrote...
Yes, how dare you use logic to whine about these things! Pfft, entitled consumer!

I find logic is one thing many in this world can't seem to comprehend. It is sad, but meh...the world would be less fun if people actually payed heed to logical thought.

[Major Swift]

@goodwood, I was going to say that about the screen name lol, well not exactly like that, more like "love the name, those guys really knew a thing or two about holding lines " lol

[Major Swift]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
Yes, how dare you use logic to whine about these things! Pfft, entitled consumer!

I find logic is one thing many in this world can't seem to comprehend. It is sad, but meh...the world would be less fun if people actually payed heed to logical thought.

logic: "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Logic."

[Phoenix NL]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...
Yes, how dare you use logic to whine about these things! Pfft, entitled consumer!

I find logic is one thing many in this world can't seem to comprehend. It is sad, but meh...the world would be less fun if people actually payed heed to logical thought.

Well there is a time and a place for logic. For example when a truck is driving around a blind bend on a narrow road and decides that that is the time to stick half of his truck into my oncoming lane. The use of logic to determine the fact that traffic wider than a bicycle might be coming the other way so staying in your own lane might be a safe option would be very useful.

[The 20th Maine]

Goodwood wrote...

The 20th Maine wrote...

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

Per the rest, that's pretty much exactly what we're on about: our complaints are just as legit.

BTW, I find it amusing that you've chosen for yourself as a screen name the designation for a regiment of Federal troops that honored itself during the American Civil War's most remembered battle.

Good spot.  It's also my gamertag.  I couldn't think of anything that hadn't already been picked so I just went for something involving one of interests.  Colonel Chamberlain is someone I greatly admire, but the whole American Civil War is very interesting.  (I can't think of a more well-loved General than Robert E. Lee.)

It's one of the reasons I enjoyed Mass Effect so much.  I am never going to be involved in anything as significant as the civil war, or have as much of an impact as Colonel Chamberlain (my other gametag idea was 'Bureaucrat Grade 37').  But for 95% of the time, Mass Effect let me play as a character who was resolving conflicts, making important decisions and just generally saving the universe. 

But then I got to the Starchild..... 

[Goodwood]

As the good Major Swift said, Colonel Chamberlain was quite adept at holding the line. He continued to serve under General Grant, earning promotion to brigadier general (the only colonel among the Army of the Potomac to be so promoted by Grant). He was also wounded six more times before war's end, eventually quipping: "I am not of Virginia's blood; she is of mine."

Your point about Commander Shepard is also quite apt. We play these games because they give us the opportunity to live lives far larger than we could imagine living for ourselves, doing things that would normally be considered impossible ("Data, something is only impossible until it is not!" —Captain Jean-Luc Picard). Which as we all know is why the thematic shift in the last five minutes is so...jarring.

For a hundred in-game hours or more (it's more like 150 the way I play), we've been doing the impossible, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat time and again. The artsy-fartsy folks say that to have an end where the combined fleets manage to pull out a win despite heavy losses and having a cheerful ending (provided we did things right) is cliché.

I say, why stop now? The entire ethos of the series up until that point is that very same cliché.

Modifié par Goodwood, 10 mai 2012 - 02:11 .

[BEANFEDBEAST]

Has.there been any news in the last 24 hours

[Major Swift]

Goodwood wrote...

As the good Major Swift said, Colonel Chamberlain was quite adept at holding the line. He continued to serve under General Grant, earning promotion to brigadier general (the only colonel among the Army of the Potomac to be so promoted by Grant). He was also wounded six more times before war's end, eventually quipping: "I am not of Virginia's blood; she is of mine."

Your point about Commander Shepard is also quite apt. We play these games because they give us the opportunity to live lives far larger than we could imagine living for ourselves, doing things that would normally be considered impossible ("Data, something is only impossible until it is not!" —Captain Jean-Luc Picard). Which as we all know is why the thematic shift in the last five minutes is so...jarring.

For a hundred in-game hours or more (it's more like 150 the way I play), we've been doing the impossible, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat time and again. The artsy-fartsy folks say that to have an end where the combined fleets manage to pull out a win despite heavy losses and having a cheerful ending (provided we did things right) is cliché.

I say, why stop now? The entire ethos of the series up until that point is that very same cliché.

Yeah thats pretty much why i like playing games like this, also yay captain picard! lol (the way he is is pretty much the way i play my Shepard) and yeah thats what i don't understand in that whole argument against something like what you put there, if its so cliché to do that now what the hell do they think about the rest of the series which, like you said, has been the same thing?

[cyrslash1974]

Chris Priestly from Bioware on HTL Website

http://www.holdtheli...ended-cut.1672/

[Ksandor]

Chris Priestly, if you won't change the ending why do you ask for our opinion? You know we won't be pleased unless you CHANGE the ending. What are you fishing for? Thx

Modifié par Ksandor, 10 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Tonymac]

-PG-Skyre wrote...

The 20th Maine wrote...

I'm on my lunch break at the moment and found an editorial in the new '360 Gamer' (UK) magazine that is relevant. I haven't got a link sadly, but if you get a chance to have a look at the magazine it is right at the back. I haven't got the magazine in front of me (I'll pick it up on the way home tonight) but it was very negative I'm afraid. Generally the author was going along with the 'whiny and entitled' interpretation of things.

I really must remember that the next time a group of football fans ask for their manager to be sacked.

And when a movie director makes a bad movie (racist, sexist, completely stupid and/or whatever else), plus studios shutting down TV series, writers doing really bad books, internet pages doing stupid things and many more situations.
The games industry wants to be taken seriously, but we as gamers can't be taken as seriously as readers and movie goers...*sigh* Can't have one without the other. But I guess I'm just being "whiny".

The gaming industry, especially Bioware, will never be taken seriously.  Everything they have done about this horrible ending proves that they are unreliable and untrustworthy.  They don't care about fan support - because they trash their own fans and flagrantly flip us off.  They refuse to listen.  Playing deaf and dumb when your fans scream at you is not going to cut it.  A new extended cut DLC, even though free is not even close to a decent offering - considering how badly they made the ending of the game.

Take your 'artistic integrity' and shove it.  Then take a few writing courses and actually learn how to write a good story - as well as end a trilogy.  Then take some ecenomic classes and figure out where your income is actually generated.  Find out how many 'fans' (short for fanatics) told how many friends about how awesome ME3 was going to be - see how much we fans helped you in advertising.  Then Bioware did their very best to make the worst possible ending and flip us off with both hands.  Well, its time to find out where the revenue comes from.  Because pissed off fans will tell all their friends about how much your products suck for the rest of time.  Even if you make another good game - I am not letting anyone I know get it because you freaking lied and made ME3 suck when there was no reason AT ALL to do so.  As Stanly Woo would say, "End of the line."  You made it suck intentionally - and then had the balls to stand behind it and act like "No, its a good ending.... and artistic integrity....   space magic".  Well, its time to pay the piper.

Their ending completely sucks on many levels - it is poorly thought out and written - introducing a new protagonist in the last 5 minutes of the game.  All of the Evil that was the Reapers is summed up in a dumb starchild thingy and you get red, green, or blue.  When so many people poke you and say hey man - that ending is really bad.....  you need to listen.  Do not deny it is bad.  Do not trash your friends and fans.  Actually, think about why the ending sucks - and realize that if enough people tell you then there may be some truth to what they say. 

Lastly - Bioware needs to understand why fans get downright rude on the forums.  We told you the ending is not good.  You stared back at me - hoping the problem and complaint would go away.  Then more people and more and more until you had hundreds of thousands of people who told you that it is not good.  You need to sharpen your pencil and do it over.  But you ignored us - called us whiners and complainers, even claimed that we threw the 'entitled' card out there.   You were rude first, Bioware.  Firstly you made an ending that was not even as good as my child could do in third grade.  Thats strike one.  Then you ignored me for strike 2.  THEN you had the nerve to call me a whiner and complainer and called me and entitled brat for strike three.  I only hung on this long because I was a fan,  man.  I actually used to get Bioware products, N7 shirts, posters, models of the Normandy - now I cannot even look at them. 

Its amazing to me that such a good series could end so badly.  Its also amazing to me that a company that had as many wonderful ideas and stories such as Bioware could actually produce that particular ending  - and then have the fortitude to stand behind it.  Instead of fixing the problem you attempted to cure the symptoms - by 'explaining' the ending.  Not only do you not appreciate your fans - you actually hate us.  You destroyed every aspect of a good universe - the whole 'mass effect universe'.  And for what?