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[Garrus30]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

There is obviously more to the endings than what has been revealed.

That would be nice.

It's glaringly clear. Even the guy whom most here consider the Truthsayer for all things ME3 (Xio), admits he liked the game. And most leaked sources agree that the endings are well done. 

Only here, where we STILL only have incomplete information do people moan like there is no tomorrow. 

If there is more to the endings, prove it. 

If the endings are in basic fact what we've seen, then they're all equally pointless crapsack endings and there's no reason to bother playing ME3. 

You bother to respond to my post asking for evidence when the evidence is pointed out to you? People who played the game are my evidence. 

What's yours for saying the endings will not be good if seen in context? 

You know what? I think I'm just going to pack it in. People are adamant in believing this is all there is to the endings, without having seen the game play out and the endings themselves, all based on a few clips that aren't in-game cinematics. Clips all seen without context, I might add. nevermind that other's interpretations could be wrong. And like you and I have said, the sources seem to like the endings and this includes non-reviewers.

So, honestly, I don't think there is anything you or I can do to change people's views, just like they cannot change ours. If they're set on hating the game or the endings, then let them. That will not stop us or others enjoying the game, if we do. And I am pretty damned sure I will end up enjoying the game.

And if they want to sit here complaining about a game, then let 'em. I know I've wasted far too much time on these forums of late.

yeah same here bro 
I'll avoid his section too, as it's really gotten out of hand and you'll probably end up spoiling yourself the game.

[Capeo]

Garrus30 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Oh, no, no, no. I was resigning myself to these endings but... No. The Catalyst is the God damned kid!?!  Wow. Just... Wow.  What did they use one voice for every friggin' child in the ME universe?  Even the epilogue kid had the same voice. 

I haven't wached the video, but

Why do guys keep spoiling yourself, piece by piece without context? You make the game worse than it actually is/will be.
The game might be bad for some of you, but grabbing to stuffs from the ending in wrong order makes more and more less sense, that looks like you are clutchin at any straw that at the end nothing is left.
Just wait for for reviews, videos or let's play.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm playing the game on Tuesday.  The vids of the major battles still look fantastic and I have to ride this train to the end.  Trust me though, no matter the context, that bit of dialog would have been groan inducing when I reached it.  I was truly hoping they weren't going to go all crazy metaphysical.  I'm also sure the endings will be somewhat moving in their own right.  Most of us have invested too much time with these characters for them not to be.  My largest disappoint is the logistics of everything.  They've trotted out most every sci-fi trope already done in better stories.  Like we all didn't know the Reapers were actually just doing their job.  Though their dialog doesn't make much sense in that regard.  And the endings ARE Deus Ex to a tee but with less difference in the outcomes.  Maybe I was expecting too much.  For all my gripes though.  I'm still playing it.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

That review earlier made a good point, I've played a very determined Paragon through the whole game and "Paragon Shepard's natural response to this choice would be very flatly 'No, there has to be another way.' " We weren't given the choice in Arrival to not push the button and that rubbed me the wrong way. I recruited a Geth for crying out loud. My Shepard has always taken the approach that there is a chance, no matter how slim for everything to come out alright.

[Switish]

I swear this is a Deus Ex spoof....

[Garrus30]

Capeo wrote...

Garrus30 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Oh, no, no, no. I was resigning myself to these endings but... No. The Catalyst is the God damned kid!?!  Wow. Just... Wow.  What did they use one voice for every friggin' child in the ME universe?  Even the epilogue kid had the same voice. 

I haven't wached the video, but

Why do guys keep spoiling yourself, piece by piece without context? You make the game worse than it actually is/will be.
The game might be bad for some of you, but grabbing to stuffs from the ending in wrong order makes more and more less sense, that looks like you are clutchin at any straw that at the end nothing is left.
Just wait for for reviews, videos or let's play.

Don't get me wrong.  I'm playing the game on Tuesday.  The vids of the major battles still look fantastic and I have to ride this train to the end.  Trust me though, no matter the context, that bit of dialog would have been groan inducing when I reached it.  I was truly hoping they weren't going to go all crazy metaphysical.  I'm also sure the endings will be somewhat moving in their own right.  Most of us have invested too much time with these characters for them not to be.  My largest disappoint is the logistics of everything.  They've trotted out most every sci-fi trope already done in better stories.  Like we all didn't know the Reapers were actually just doing their job.  Though their dialog doesn't make much sense in that regard.  And the endings ARE Deus Ex to a tee but with less difference in the outcomes.  Maybe I was expecting too much.  For all my gripes though.  I'm still playing it.

well I didn't mean you in specific but rather all the people here.
It's ok if you don't like the ending, but I'm pretty sure that the most of us or at least some of us just get's the wrong impressions of the ending (which could be that there is more than we know). You'll only end up spoiling yourself that leads to less enjoyment.

[Capeo]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

That review earlier made a good point, I've played a very determined Paragon through the whole game and "Paragon Shepard's natural response to this choice would be very flatly 'No, there has to be another way.' " We weren't given the choice in Arrival to not push the button and that rubbed me the wrong way. I recruited a Geth for crying out loud. My Shepard has always taken the approach that there is a chance, no matter how slim for everything to come out alright.

Well, your only choice then, according to BW, is to merge synthetics and organics int one Reaper hybrid race and die doing so.  That's what they see as the perfect Paragon ending according to the script.

[desertwomansc]

I had a horrible feeling the game would end the way I didn't want it to.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Prince_Valiant wrote...
I'm a romantic. For me there's in a adventure story only one option for a good ending: The hero survives and get the girl. All other would be crap - regardless of any context.

[raven_corrino]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

damn it that vid had me convinced 100%..I had to watch it until the ver last sec to believe this isn't just another fake. The VA sounds legit and the script is sound.

Really tough choice, which I really hate to make any one of them...maybe I'm easily brainwashed but the merge synthetic option sounds kinda logical to me after hearing all that...what you guys think?

I have multiple playthroughs, will use all of them to get all the different endings.

[Vikali]

Pff! I'm merging! At least that leaves hope for everything to get on the ball again faster! I never expected Shepard to come away unscathed, they said time and time again it was the end of his/her story. I do, however, worry yfor the expanse of this universe. Maybe they'll give us some prequel games where we can follow Anderson and ****. I dunno. This universe is too good to just toss away. I think they still left it open ended to continue post game.

[blueruin]

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

[humes spork]

Rob_K1 wrote...

This is my last post:

Humes, as I said a few posts back, there could be additional cinematics (and I'm damned sure there will be), rendered vai the game-engine, that help flesh out the endings. Ones that we not have access to as they aren't rendered with the in-game engine.

The problem is, and what people are bringing up, is that the whole thing is foundationally flawed. All the context and "what we're not seeing" doesn't change that; it could have the most impactful, emotional and best-written stuff ever made and that can't gussy up the fact it's a deus ex machina, last-minute "choose your own ending". What can and has been datamined, leaked and put online, is more than sufficient to make a general judgment call over whether the ending is at its core solid or not.

I'll make an architectural comparison here. People aren't seeing the entire house -- walls, paint, landscaping, decorations, furniture, what have you; what they are seeing is the blueprint, foundation, frame, wiring, plumbing, and that's it. They understand this. What they're saying is "hey, this blueprint's badly done, the foundation's poorly-laid, the frame won't support the walls and roof, the wiring's badly done and the plumbing is inadequate". And even if you add the walls, roof, and decorative stuff, it's still not a very good house.

Let's imagine this was ME1 or 2, and what we were seeing of the end (the bink cutscenes and bits and pieces of dialogue) perfectly paralleled those games. We'd see Sovereign attack the Citadel with the Geth, Saren infiltrate and Shepard follow via the Conduit, Saren shoot himself in the head and fall into the tower's garden, Sovereign have it out with the Arcturus fleet and blow up, and parts of its debris crash into the tower. We'd see the Normandy jump through the Omega-4 relay, nearly crash into debris, fight it out with Oculi and the Collector ship, crash land, and escape with the Collector base exploding blue or red. Context or not, those are damned accurate summations of the ending with or without the "context" of which the more skeptical folks speak, and you can make a reasonable judgment call over whether those endings are fundamentally good or not from it.

And that's what people are doing -- making a judgment call on whether the ending is fundamentally well-done based upon information at hand. And boil it down, and the whole Guardian/Catalyst thing is just a shoddy ending (sequence).

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

desertwomansc wrote...

I had a horrible feeling the game would end the way I didn't want it to.

I kind of feel that way about every game I think about buying.

[Yakko77]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

Well, I guess I'll have to see it in the context of my playthrough before I get too nerdraged about it.  Plus, "one more story..."  Foreshaddowing of ME4 or post ME3 DLC?

Also and MOST importantly... has anyone found the space hamster?  I've heard it's loose on the Normandy and can be recaptured!  LOL!

Modifié par Yakko77, 03 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[Vikali]

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

):
This makes me cry.

[I_Jedi]

KitePolaris wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

):
This makes me cry.

BUT shepard is still alive and fit for duty.

[Sia_Sinblade]

humes spork wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

This is my last post:

Humes, as I said a few posts back, there could be additional cinematics (and I'm damned sure there will be), rendered vai the game-engine, that help flesh out the endings. Ones that we not have access to as they aren't rendered with the in-game engine.

The problem is, and what people are bringing up, is that the whole thing is foundationally flawed. All the context and "what we're not seeing" doesn't change that; it could have the most impactful, emotional and best-written stuff ever made and that can't gussy up the fact it's a deus ex machina, last-minute "choose your own ending". What can and has been datamined, leaked and put online, is more than sufficient to make a general judgment call over whether the ending is at its core solid or not.

I'll make an architectural comparison here. People aren't seeing the entire house -- walls, paint, landscaping, decorations, furniture, what have you; what they are seeing is the blueprint, foundation, frame, wiring, plumbing, and that's it. They understand this. What they're saying is "hey, this blueprint's badly done, the foundation's poorly-laid, the frame won't support the walls and roof, the wiring's badly done and the plumbing is inadequate". And even if you add the walls, roof, and decorative stuff, it's still not a very good house.

Let's imagine this was ME1 or 2, and what we were seeing of the end (the bink cutscenes and bits and pieces of dialogue) perfectly paralleled those games. We'd see Sovereign attack the Citadel with the Geth, Saren infiltrate and Shepard follow via the Conduit, Saren shoot himself in the head and fall into the tower's garden, Sovereign have it out with the Arcturus fleet and blow up, and parts of its debris crash into the tower. We'd see the Normandy jump through the Omega-4 relay, nearly crash into debris, fight it out with Oculi and the Collector ship, crash land, and escape with the Collector base exploding blue or red. Context or not, those are damned accurate summations of the ending with or without the "context" of which the more skeptical folks speak, and you can make a reasonable judgment call over whether those endings are fundamentally good or not from it.

And that's what people are doing -- making a judgment call on whether the ending is fundamentally well-done based upon information at hand. And boil it down, and the whole Guardian/Catalyst thing is just a shoddy ending (sequence).

But in both games, the outcome hinges on ONE decision. Save the Council or not. Blow up the Base or not. 

It's the same thing. Just with three options this time. Yet people complain wildly about it. 

Also, I do have to correct you, there is a wide selection of people who hate the endings because it is not happy enough...NOT because they are "shoddy". 

[dheer]

CerberusSoldier wrote...
I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

That was just....bad. From the VA, dialogue and choices..wow. It's like Deus Ex if it was terrible.

I guess I'll have to quit the game right before this.

Excuse me while I go wretch.

Modifié par dheer, 03 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[blueruin]

KitePolaris wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

):
This makes me cry.

I got that sour feeling around my eyes.  

They agree that "they did it", and Anderson says it's "quite a view".  "There will be time enough for that now" to have children.  UGH ONLY THREE MORE DAYS.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Capeo wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

That review earlier made a good point, I've played a very determined Paragon through the whole game and "Paragon Shepard's natural response to this choice would be very flatly 'No, there has to be another way.' " We weren't given the choice in Arrival to not push the button and that rubbed me the wrong way. I recruited a Geth for crying out loud. My Shepard has always taken the approach that there is a chance, no matter how slim for everything to come out alright.

Well, your only choice then, according to BW, is to merge synthetics and organics int one Reaper hybrid race and die doing so.  That's what they see as the perfect Paragon ending according to the script.

Yeah, she'd at least take a general census from the galaxy before she decided to rewrite their genetic code.

[Vikali]

blueruin wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

):
This makes me cry.

I got that sour feeling around my eyes.  

They agree that "they did it", and Anderson says it's "quite a view".  "There will be time enough for that now" to have children.  UGH ONLY THREE MORE DAYS.

Thank you for showing me this. There is hope after all!

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said.

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 03 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[wicked_being]

blueruin wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

):
This makes me cry.

I got that sour feeling around my eyes.  

They agree that "they did it", and Anderson says it's "quite a view".  "There will be time enough for that now" to have children.  UGH ONLY THREE MORE DAYS.

I've already been spoiled enough but I don't want to check that link out. But is it 'good' good ending?

[fosokles]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.

Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said.

^this