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fosokles wrote...

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blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said. Image IPB


^this


lol listen closely to the dialogue.  How does that sound like before the final choice?  It doesn't sound like a conversation they would be having if the reapers were still active.

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fosokles wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said. Image IPB


^this


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blueruin wrote...

fosokles wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said. Image IPB


^this


lol listen closely to the dialogue.  How does that sound like before the final choice?  It doesn't sound like a conversation they would be having if the reapers were still active.


It sounds like comforting a dying friend and reassuring them everything will be alright, even if you're totally screwed.

Modifié par MelfinaofOutlawStar, 03 mars 2012 - 05:58 .


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Why in the world would Shepard respond that "there's time enough for that now" for Anderson to start a family, if the reapers are still a threat?

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I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

You Maniacs! You blew it up! God Damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Excuse me while I go wretch. :sick:

Agreed, that just made things worse... ugh, so very, very sad to see it all end like this. Image IPB

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blueruin wrote...

fosokles wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said. Image IPB


^this


lol listen closely to the dialogue.  How does that sound like before the final choice?  It doesn't sound like a conversation they would be having if the reapers were still active.


IF it is befire the final choice, THAT would be an epic screw up. Because as you say, nobody talks like this when there are still people dying down on earth and the Reapers are still killing things left and right. 

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blueruin wrote...

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blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


):
This makes me cry.


I got that sour feeling around my eyes.  

They agree that "they did it", and Anderson says it's "quite a view".  "There will be time enough for that now" to have children.  UGH ONLY THREE MORE DAYS.


Thank you for showing me this. There is hope after all!


Yes that is very good news :D:wizard:

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Ahahaha your collective coping mechanism against being disappointed by this video game -- is strong. I guess you guys need your low level of expectations.

There's definitely pieces you people are missing. After all, you know, the game isn't out yet lol. I'm so exciiited.

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Kasen13 wrote...

dheer wrote...

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I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

You Maniacs! You blew it up! God Damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Excuse me while I go wretch. :sick:

Agreed, that just made things worse... ugh, so very, very sad to see it all end like this. Image IPB


God, where did they get this from? How to Write Sci-Fi 101?

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blueruin wrote...

Why in the world would Shepard respond that "there's time enough for that now" for Anderson to start a family, if the reapers are still a threat?


I don't know, I haven't played it yet. Image IPB

But leakers/people who had checked the script had said it.

Edit: And no, I wouldn't go bursting someone's bubble because I like it.

You think I didn't want to have my Shep/Tali? Image IPB

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 03 mars 2012 - 06:01 .


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blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


As good as that sounds, and it does give me hope, I'm pretty sure that's one of pre-going into the crucible conversations. You can them with you LI too. I'm afraid that's just BW yanking forcibly on you heart strings prior to the last choices. Boy would I love to be wrong though. 

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Also, Shepard has never sounded more apathetic in a conversation.XD

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blueruin wrote...

fosokles wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

blueruin wrote...

It seems like Shepard can have a good ending in at least one instance.



From the beginning it sounds like it's definitely after things are over.


Unfortunately not. It's before the final choice as people have already said. Image IPB


^this


lol listen closely to the dialogue.  How does that sound like before the final choice?  It doesn't sound like a conversation they would be having if the reapers were still active.


It's on the Citidel, right before you limp over and talk to the Catalyst.

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Sia_Sinblade wrote...

But in both games, the outcome hinges on ONE decision. Save the Council or not. Blow up the Base or not. 

It's the same thing. Just with three options this time. Yet people complain wildly about it. 

Also, I do have to correct you, there is a wide selection of people who hate the endings because it is not happy enough...NOT because they are "shoddy". 


Well, that's part of the problem. The expection wasn't that the ending would hinge around a singular decision at the very end. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the expectation was that specifically wasn't going to happen. The expectation was the choices that determined the ending had already been made by the player well before the ending, over the course of ME1 and 2 and the first acts of 3. That the ending would diverge wildly depending on Shepard's choices and not be bottlenecked in precisely this way.

In that way, Bioware's not just failing to meet expectations over the course of the entire trilogy, but directly contradicting them. Imagine if at the end of MW3, instead of Big Dumb Brotastic Michael Bay Explodey Stuff happening, the screen blacked out and the level shifted to a stage in which all the main characters in turn had a soliloquy about war and politics, in the style of Vagina Monologues.

And, in terms of being angry about the ending not being happy enough, I don't get it and I won't attempt to defend it. That's not the source of my discontent, that's all I can and will say.

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Sia_Sinblade wrote...

But in both games, the outcome hinges on ONE decision. Save the Council or not. Blow up the Base or not. 

It's the same thing. Just with three options this time. Yet people complain wildly about it. 


Not the same thing.  People were happy to be led into a common end in ME and ME2 because neither was the end of Shepard's story.  Not only did people surmise, but they were TOLD this by Hudson and others, that since ME3 was the end the endings didn't have to be slight variations down a forced path - they thought, and were told, we can go whereever we want with this because it doesn't have to be a setup for a sequel.

Yet....what we got is exactly slight variations down a forced path.  Seriously, press one of three buttons to choose your end?  Do you HONESTLY think if they told fans a year ago that's how it was going to end people would have been "yeah that makes sense can't wait for it"?  LOL.

Modifié par Rdubs, 03 mars 2012 - 06:03 .


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Kasen13 wrote...

dheer wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

You Maniacs! You blew it up! God Damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Excuse me while I go wretch. :sick:

Agreed, that just made things worse... ugh, so very, very sad to see it all end like this. Image IPB


Horrible! Horrible :sick: so much Narm!

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MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

That review earlier made a good point, I've played a very determined Paragon through the whole game and "Paragon Shepard's natural response to this choice would be very flatly 'No, there has to be another way.' " We weren't given the choice in Arrival to not push the button and that rubbed me the wrong way. I recruited a Geth for crying out loud. My Shepard has always taken the approach that there is a chance, no matter how slim for everything to come out alright.


Just what other option would you have taken in Arrival?  There was less than two hours left to even have a chance at stalling the Reapers let alone stopping them.  It was a sacrifice, let 300K+ die in a effort to save billions if not trillions more.  Sure, it ends up being futile and only delayed the inevitable as the Reapers invade anyways but... not sure what other option was reaslistically viable given the situation in Arrival.

Unless you fight your way off the station, let the Reapers come, go through the relay first, warn the Alliance, Citadel, etc. with some kind of proof and then still have your whole team from ME2 and NOT be stuck on Earth when the attack happens.... just brainstorming here...

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poor shepard , after all he/she has been through, to be faced with this.

You have to admit , it's not a bad ending, it won't unite shep with his li, which was a problem for a lot of folks, but it's an ending, as they promised.

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humes spork wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

But in both games, the outcome hinges on ONE decision. Save the Council or not. Blow up the Base or not. 

It's the same thing. Just with three options this time. Yet people complain wildly about it. 

Also, I do have to correct you, there is a wide selection of people who hate the endings because it is not happy enough...NOT because they are "shoddy". 


Well, that's part of the problem. The expection wasn't that the ending would hinge around a singular decision at the very end. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the expectation was that specifically wasn't going to happen. The expectation was the choices that determined the ending had already been made by the player well before the ending, over the course of ME1 and 2 and the first acts of 3. That the ending would diverge wildly depending on Shepard's choices and not be bottlenecked in precisely this way.

In that way, Bioware's not just failing to meet expectations over the course of the entire trilogy, but directly contradicting them. Imagine if at the end of MW3, instead of Big Dumb Brotastic Michael Bay Explodey Stuff happening, the screen blacked out and the level shifted to a stage in which all the main characters in turn had a soliloquy about war and politics, in the style of Vagina Monologues.

And, in terms of being angry about the ending not being happy enough, I don't get it and I won't attempt to defend it. That's not the source of my discontent, that's all I can and will say.


What I do know is that we get variations of the three endings. all in all 7 if I heard correctly. The variations are what are determined by your actions. 

I don't know where fans got the idea BioWare could put in 20 massively different endings. That's just completely out of scope for any game. 

What I will agree on is that the three endings, from what we know, seem relatively close together, which, I figure, is the only way BioWare could figure closing the book on Shepard and this story permanently. There were probably a number of factors that they decided had to happen. 1) Shepard out of the picture 2) Galactic civilization saved at enormous costs 3) Story over. 

And then they constructed three variations of those. Not the most wildly divergent ones, I'll give you that. 

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humes spork wrote...

 Big Dumb Brotastic Michael Bay Explodey Stuff 

:lol:

Ha!

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Yakko77 wrote...

Just what other option would you have taken in Arrival?  There was less than two hours left to even have a chance at stalling the Reapers let alone stopping them.  It was a sacrifice, let 300K+ die in a effort to save billions if not trillions more.  Sure, it ends up being futile and only delayed the inevitable as the Reapers invade anyways but... not sure what other option was reaslistically viable given the situation in Arrival.

Unless you fight your way off the station, let the Reapers come, go through the relay first, warn the Alliance, Citadel, etc. with some kind of proof and then still have your whole team from ME2 and NOT be stuck on Earth when the attack happens.... just brainstorming here...


Not to mention they're batarians. Eff 'em. Even my paragon of paragon Shepards mows those guys down without so much of a second thought. Then again, she's a colonist/war hero.

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Yakko77 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

That review earlier made a good point, I've played a very determined Paragon through the whole game and "Paragon Shepard's natural response to this choice would be very flatly 'No, there has to be another way.' " We weren't given the choice in Arrival to not push the button and that rubbed me the wrong way. I recruited a Geth for crying out loud. My Shepard has always taken the approach that there is a chance, no matter how slim for everything to come out alright.


Just what other option would you have taken in Arrival?  There was less than two hours left to even have a chance at stalling the Reapers let alone stopping them.  It was a sacrifice, let 300K+ die in a effort to save billions if not trillions more.  Sure, it ends up being futile and only delayed the inevitable as the Reapers invade anyways but... not sure what other option was reaslistically viable given the situation in Arrival.

Unless you fight your way off the station, let the Reapers come, go through the relay first, warn the Alliance, Citadel, etc. with some kind of proof and then still have your whole team from ME2 and NOT be stuck on Earth when the attack happens.... just brainstorming here...



Personally I would have made the choice to call the batarians again after Dr.Derpface hung up....

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variations are only determined by your GAW score. You can get a high score and save before the 3 buttons and see what u get like deus ex

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xtorma wrote...

poor shepard , after all he/she has been through, to be faced with this.

You have to admit , it's not a bad ending, it won't unite shep with his li, which was a problem for a lot of folks, but it's an ending, as they promised.


but it destroys everything.

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Rdubs wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

But in both games, the outcome hinges on ONE decision. Save the Council or not. Blow up the Base or not. 

It's the same thing. Just with three options this time. Yet people complain wildly about it. 


Not the same thing.  People were happy to be led into a common end in ME and ME2 because neither was the end of Shepard's story.  Not only did people surmise, but they were TOLD this by Hudson and others, that since ME3 was the end the endings didn't have to be slight variations down a forced path - they thought, and were told, we can go whereever we want with this because it doesn't have to be a setup for a sequel.

Yet....what we got is exactly slight variations down a forced path.  Seriously, press one of three buttons to choose your end?  Do you HONESTLY think if they told fans a year ago that's how it was going to end people would have been "yeah that makes sense can't wait for it"?  LOL.


lol. At least in DX:HR you get to choose from FOUR BUTTONS!!!!!111  And those choices have decent variation at least, not like in ME3.