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[SirPetrakus]

I'm ... just thinking how this game would have gone under a certain different developer. Something like this.

Seeing as Shepard would be a catalyst for galactic readiness against the reapers, the reapers would approach him, offering him a future in an otherwise doomed galaxy, only to have him indoctrinated and subsequently turned into a husk or just harvested.

There would be a choice to join with Cerberus, have the rest of the alien races take on the bulk of the Reaper attack, while Cerberus reverse engineered Reaper tech and built a stronger fleet (or use the mass relays as was originally planned) to rip some reaper ass, while establishing humans as the dominant race in the galaxy with TIM as the emperor and Shep and Kai Leng as his admirals.

A choice to side with the council, sacrificing Earth in the process and most of its fleet, humans left on the brink of extinction and Shepard branded a traitor, never allowed to return to Earth or death sentence.

Finally, a choice to join the Guardian in a perfect Unity ending, where basically MacGuffins and everything is peachy, only as a new game plus ending.

You know, making choices matter. If only ... ;_;

[Aesieru]

Which developer? Bethesda is pretty bad regardless of what you think.

So who else? Blizzard can't do anything right.

Obsidian died a long time ago.

I'm not sure any RPG Story developers exist in North America other than those that are quality.

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Also those 4 endings are awful.

Modifié par Aesieru, 03 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[Bubalo]

My main complaint is the magical teleport issue with your current squad, didnt know the Normandy had Scotty aboard.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Maybe Anderson is just unconscious... You never know. At this point, I'll stop thinking about what could or could not be. I'll keep my 'rage' for after we know the full context

[humes spork]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Personally I would have made the choice to call the batarians again after Dr.Derpface hung up....

Personally I was hoping the game would begin with the trial as promised. It would have made a nice ME:Genesis style intro for a non-imported character to establish background, psychological profile, paragon/renegade points, and major choices in 1/2 without severely disrupting game play.

Plus I was really hoping my renegade Shep would have gotten the opportunity to just let it all out, "yeah I killed 300,000 batarians! And I'd do it again in a heartbeat! ...what do you mean stopping the Reapers? oh. yeah. that happened too. i guess."

Modifié par humes spork, 03 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Aesieru wrote...

Which developer? Bethesda is pretty bad regardless of what you think.

So who else? Blizzard can't do anything right.

Obsidian died a long time ago.

I'm not sure any RPG Story developers exist in North America other than those that are quality.

I have 180 hours into New Vegas and 80 in Skyrim. I'd say as far as playability goes Bethesda is doing well at keeping my attention.

[Rdubs]

madhatterwriter wrote...

I totally agree. I felt like I got hoodwinked! If they had said it right like your are guiding the character Shepard through this awesome story like Uncharted or Assassin creed, I would be perfectly fine right now with the endings because it is a Shepard I don't own if that make sense. Not mine. Under that, I think the endings are terrific! However, under my previous impression of a very choice-driven-I-choose-the-destiney Shepard, not okay and the endings are not so good in that perspective.

Anyways, I just don't like being lied to (yes, it is a lie because Casey said wildly divergent endings and that it was mine Shepard) and that is my main beef.

Well I think it was Mac Walters in an interview said that Uncharted gave him inspiration.  Guess most people read that as "whatever" but in reality I guess that should have been a red flag.

[LilyasAvalon]

albertalad wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

On a more important note, why doesn't ANYONE with the prima guide have a scanner... T_T

The Krogan guy posted last night - he was off until Sunday - and when he goes back to work he'll try and upload more information from the guide. I think he was here last night somewhere in the 340-350 range of this thread.

Do you mean the guy who posted pictures he took with his phone? No no no, scans and photos are two different things. For starters, I can actually read scans...

[Aesieru]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Which developer? Bethesda is pretty bad regardless of what you think.

So who else? Blizzard can't do anything right.

Obsidian died a long time ago.

I'm not sure any RPG Story developers exist in North America other than those that are quality.

I have 180 hours into New Vegas and 80 in Skyrim. I'd say as far as playability goes Bethesda is doing well at keeping my attention.

I've got 10 times as much in BioWare games, such as KotOR and ME1 and DA1.

Anyway...

Bethesda has the most bugs in any game no matter what game they release, the bugs are ridiculous, their QA testing is terrible.

They don't really innovate, they recycle the same story with a few twists here and there and with a new art sceheme or design to it. Dragons this time, Undead / Demons the last time, Elves before then, and before then? Theives. It's amazing that despite all the lands in the Elder Scrolls series, they all have pretty much the same things.

As for Fallout, 3 was good, 2 and 1 back when they were a dif company too but that was in an entirely different generation. New Vegas had the worst DLC that really didn't matter for any reason whatsoever and was really just consistently being continued and having injections that really didn't give it any flaire, the writing for it really diverged and it became more about funny things rather than the plot. Even the Lonesome Road was pretty dull.

I liked FO3 after Broken Steel tho, but that's probably because the Enclave made me judge the game less harshly because I liked them.

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So Bethesda really is a terrible choice.

[madhatterwriter]

Rdubs wrote...

madhatterwriter wrote...

I totally agree. I felt like I got hoodwinked! If they had said it right like your are guiding the character Shepard through this awesome story like Uncharted or Assassin creed, I would be perfectly fine right now with the endings because it is a Shepard I don't own if that make sense. Not mine. Under that, I think the endings are terrific! However, under my previous impression of a very choice-driven-I-choose-the-destiney Shepard, not okay and the endings are not so good in that perspective.

Anyways, I just don't like being lied to (yes, it is a lie because Casey said wildly divergent endings and that it was mine Shepard) and that is my main beef.

Well I think it was Mac Walters in an interview said that Uncharted gave him inspiration.  Guess most people read that as "whatever" but in reality I guess that should have been a red flag.

Really? Cuz the guy who did FFXIII was also inspired by Uncharted too (and I love Uncharted. Very cinematic, witty and charming). Hmm, I see a pattern....

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Rdubs wrote...

madhatterwriter wrote...

I totally agree. I felt like I got hoodwinked! If they had said it right like your are guiding the character Shepard through this awesome story like Uncharted or Assassin creed, I would be perfectly fine right now with the endings because it is a Shepard I don't own if that make sense. Not mine. Under that, I think the endings are terrific! However, under my previous impression of a very choice-driven-I-choose-the-destiney Shepard, not okay and the endings are not so good in that perspective.

Anyways, I just don't like being lied to (yes, it is a lie because Casey said wildly divergent endings and that it was mine Shepard) and that is my main beef.

Well I think it was Mac Walters in an interview said that Uncharted gave him inspiration.  Guess most people read that as "whatever" but in reality I guess that should have been a red flag.

Nothing wrong about liking Uncharted. It's a action-packed gaming experience. Granted what they should have taken away from Uncharted was the acting and the direction of the scenes involving dialog.

[Rdubs]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

So you're telling me the reason I can't adopt turian babies with Garrus is because of that blood Mass Effect MMO they're planning?

Why couldn't they just establish a canon then... I see no reason not to, they've done so for all the books, comics and non imported Shepards.

Spot on Lilyas.  There are two ways they could have handled this if one of their goals was to set the stage for an MMO:
1) Given people the wildly different endings they had been promised (even if they did is economically using a slideshow instead of thinking they had to spend millions on cutscenes), and then when the MMO comes out say "guys in order to make this MMO work we have to pick which decisions from the original trilogy to use, sorry about that I hope you understand" in which case fans would have been like that makes sense, no problem thanks for giving me good ME3 endings in light of that.
2) Force everyone into the same ending, or only have slight shades thereof.  Pick your explosion color and if Shepard gets liquified or absorbed or not.

Guess they thought #2 was better.  And sorry, "context" doesn't make #2 more like #1.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Aesieru wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Which developer? Bethesda is pretty bad regardless of what you think.

So who else? Blizzard can't do anything right.

Obsidian died a long time ago.

I'm not sure any RPG Story developers exist in North America other than those that are quality.

I have 180 hours into New Vegas and 80 in Skyrim. I'd say as far as playability goes Bethesda is doing well at keeping my attention.

I've got 10 times as much in BioWare games, such as KotOR and ME1 and DA1.

Anyway...

Bethesda has the most bugs in any game no matter what game they release, the bugs are ridiculous, their QA testing is terrible.

They don't really innovate, they recycle the same story with a few twists here and there and with a new art sceheme or design to it. Dragons this time, Undead / Demons the last time, Elves before then, and before then? Theives. It's amazing that despite all the lands in the Elder Scrolls series, they all have pretty much the same things.

As for Fallout, 3 was good, 2 and 1 back when they were a dif company too but that was in an entirely different generation. New Vegas had the worst DLC that really didn't matter for any reason whatsoever and was really just consistently being continued and having injections that really didn't give it any flaire, the writing for it really diverged and it became more about funny things rather than the plot. Even the Lonesome Road was pretty dull.

I liked FO3 after Broken Steel tho, but that's probably because the Enclave made me judge the game less harshly because I liked them.

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So Bethesda really is a terrible choice.

Even though those games are great, I don't see how you an put so much time into closed worlds.

[fresh101]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

dheer wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

You Maniacs! You blew it up! God Damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Excuse me while I go wretch.

Agreed, that just made things worse... ugh, so very, very sad to see it all end like this.

God, where did they get this from? How to Write Sci-Fi 101?

agreed, it is like push one button and you get to choose from 3 great colors, and whatever you choose, you are screwd

i watched this video, and it was :sick: clishe with child voice, you fought 2 God d... games to kick their asrses and all you get is: PUSH THE BUTTON, and make a deal, that is not anyhow in your advantage, (whatever you did in last 2 games) with a CHILD!!!   My Shepard would never negotiate with a child and terorists, he would kick their ass, and get from that fight smiling, and in this video he sounds like a pus.. My God; I belive some of the people from this forum would wrote a better ending, no seriosly, I mean it.


What about multiple DIFERENT endings that was promised??? Sure ok if someone want this kind of ending, then he/she can get it with playing ME on his/hers way. But what about majority of the communty who have invested themselfs in this series, what about happy ending, what about kick-ass ending like in ME2, when you save everybody and destroy the enemy, what about some half-mysteryous ending, what about reaper win ending, what about shepard gets in giant robot and kick their arses ending, etc. all of whitch would be accompleshed in different styles of how you play the game, THEN WE WOULD FELL OUR CHOICES MATTERED!!!

[LilyasAvalon]

Rdubs wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

So you're telling me the reason I can't adopt turian babies with Garrus is because of that blood Mass Effect MMO they're planning?

Why couldn't they just establish a canon then... I see no reason not to, they've done so for all the books, comics and non imported Shepards.

Spot on Lilyas.  There are two ways they could have handled this if one of their goals was to set the stage for an MMO:
1) Given people the wildly different endings they had been promised (even if they did is economically using a slideshow instead of thinking they had to spend millions on cutscenes), and then when the MMO comes out say "guys in order to make this MMO work we have to pick which decisions from the original trilogy to use, sorry about that I hope you understand" in which case fans would have been like that makes sense, no problem thanks for giving me good ME3 endings in light of that.
2) Force everyone into the same ending, or only have slight shades thereof.  Pick your explosion color and if Shepard gets liquified or absorbed or not.

Guess they thought #2 was better.  And sorry, "context" doesn't make #2 more like #1.

This also still gives NO excuse as to that ****ty plot hole we get with the Normandy and the crashing. That's the major problem I have with this so far... at least I could bloody headcanon the rest.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

fresh101 wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

dheer wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...
I have news for all of you who deny the rumors . If you think the endings are fake then how in the hell do you explain this audio file

You Maniacs! You blew it up! God Damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Excuse me while I go wretch.

Agreed, that just made things worse... ugh, so very, very sad to see it all end like this.

God, where did they get this from? How to Write Sci-Fi 101?

agreed, it is like push one button and you get to choose from 3 great colors, and whatever you choose, you are screwd

i watched this video, and it was :sick: clishe with child voice, you fought 2 God d... games to kick their asrses and all you get is: PUSH THE BUTTON, and make a deal, that is not anyhow in your advantage, (whatever you did in last 2 games) with a CHILD!!!   My Shepard would never negotiate with a child and terorists, he would kick their ass, and get from that fight smiling, and in this video he sounds like a pus.. My God; I belive some of the people from this forum would wrote a better ending, no seriosly, I mean it.


What about multiple DIFERENT endings that was promised??? Sure ok if someone want this kind of ending, then he/she can get it with playing ME on his/hers way. But what about majority of the communty who have invested themselfs in this series, what about happy ending, what about kick-ass ending like in ME2, when you save everybody and destroy the enemy, what about some half-mysteryous ending, what about reaper win ending, what about shepard gets in giant robot and kick their arses ending, etc. all of whitch would be accompleshed in different styles of how you play the game, THEN WE WOULD FELL OUR CHOICES MATTERED!!!

Hell, if she hadn't aged several years by now I would have sworn that they took the actress that played the Red Queen from the first Resident Evil film.

[Ianamus]

Rdubs wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

So you're telling me the reason I can't adopt turian babies with Garrus is because of that blood Mass Effect MMO they're planning?

Why couldn't they just establish a canon then... I see no reason not to, they've done so for all the books, comics and non imported Shepards.

Spot on Lilyas.  There are two ways they could have handled this if one of their goals was to set the stage for an MMO:
1) Given people the wildly different endings they had been promised (even if they did is economically using a slideshow instead of thinking they had to spend millions on cutscenes), and then when the MMO comes out say "guys in order to make this MMO work we have to pick which decisions from the original trilogy to use, sorry about that I hope you understand" in which case fans would have been like that makes sense, no problem thanks for giving me good ME3 endings in light of that.
2) Force everyone into the same ending, or only have slight shades thereof.  Pick your explosion color and if Shepard gets liquified or absorbed or not.

Guess they thought #2 was better.  And sorry, "context" doesn't make #2 more like #1.

But since when does destorying every Mass relay and leaving the Normandy stranded make a good setting for a MMO? surely the best thing to do if they wanted to make an MMO is to have the galaxy very badly damaged in every ending, but have The Relay's intact and leave the galaxy to rebuild. A game set 200+ years in the future would be similar whatever happened. 

Having the Mass Relay's destoryed and the option to turn every creature in the universe half-synthetic is probably the most harmful thing they could have done to set up an MMO. Retconning/canon is still needed and the story will have to be contrived to include other races/planets. 

[recentio]

madhatterwriter wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

madhatterwriter wrote...

I totally agree. I felt like I got hoodwinked! If they had said it right like your are guiding the character Shepard through this awesome story like Uncharted or Assassin creed, I would be perfectly fine right now with the endings because it is a Shepard I don't own if that make sense. Not mine. Under that, I think the endings are terrific! However, under my previous impression of a very choice-driven-I-choose-the-destiney Shepard, not okay and the endings are not so good in that perspective.

Anyways, I just don't like being lied to (yes, it is a lie because Casey said wildly divergent endings and that it was mine Shepard) and that is my main beef.

Well I think it was Mac Walters in an interview said that Uncharted gave him inspiration.  Guess most people read that as "whatever" but in reality I guess that should have been a red flag.

Really? Cuz the guy who did FFXIII was also inspired by Uncharted too (and I love Uncharted. Very cinematic, witty and charming). Hmm, I see a pattern....

I though FFXIII was inspired by Lost and it's 'in media res' + flashbacks structure? Whatever led to XIII's chain of 15 consecutive Xanatos Gambits...copying other writers doesn't seem to be a great move.

[albertalad]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

albertalad wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

On a more important note, why doesn't ANYONE with the prima guide have a scanner... T_T

The Krogan guy posted last night - he was off until Sunday - and when he goes back to work he'll try and upload more information from the guide. I think he was here last night somewhere in the 340-350 range of this thread.

Do you mean the guy who posted pictures he took with his phone? No no no, scans and photos are two different things. For starters, I can actually read scans...

Yes, I understand scan and photos. You'll have to excuse me then - I was hoping to give you further information on what he posted and it all looks very real in fact more real than anything yet. If you check those mentioned fish ARE listed as a war asset, and are far and away the most expensive fish on Illium. Over 7000 credits but 6666 credits with the discount. All other fish are selling for $500 credits. I wondered why those fish were so expensive just as I wondered why there are TWO huge aquariums in Sheppard's quarters. It seemed to be the obvious place for those would have been for the entire crew. However, to me at least those aquariums always screamed at me to GET FISH! And the other part - I have always blown up the Collector base - this playthrough I'm gonna go with keeping that base.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Well, I loaded the first Shep I'll use for ME3 and I bought the damned fish.
Do I have to use it somewhere in ME3?

[Rdubs]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Nothing wrong about liking Uncharted. It's a action-packed gaming experience. Granted what they should have taken away from Uncharted was the acting and the direction of the scenes involving dialog.

Dont get me wrong I LOVED uncharted, all 3 of them.  (Wish he could have gotten with Chloe however.)  My point was that with Uncharted I knew exactly what I was getting - the story was all pre-canned, I was just running around jumping on things and shooting things.  I knew the story was going to go down whatever pre-set singular path the writers wrote.  ME was supposed to be a different ballgame, where of course the endings would all be pre-written but at least some would be DIFFERENT.  And I mean "Materially" different (legal term), not "one time the color is blue and in a different ending it's red or in some the earth survives and in others, not."  That's minor tweaks, not major differences.

Remember when we were PROMISED that "Reapers win" was to be one of the endings?  How far they've fallen.

[SirPetrakus]

Aesieru wrote...

Which developer? Bethesda is pretty bad regardless of what you think.

So who else? Blizzard can't do anything right.

Obsidian died a long time ago.

I'm not sure any RPG Story developers exist in North America other than those that are quality.

---

Also those 4 endings are awful.

Obsidian or CD Project Red. Oh, the gameplay would have nothing to do with the shooter that ME is now and it would probably be rushed and bugged to hell and back, if it was Obsidian, but the ending would have been satisfactory. Look at FO:NV, for example. Hell, even Dungeon Siege 3 had a better ending than what we're getting from ME3.

CD Project Red's next game is already roumored to be a space opera, so I don't see why not. They definitely would be able to pull it off. Well, maybe the game would have been quite a bit ****tier, but, damn it, it would still be better than this.

It is my firm belief that, if you really want choice and consequence in your games, go for these two developers.

I'm going to be out for a few hours. I'll check back with you when I get back. I like this conversation.

[Badpie]

Haha! I just loaded my ready ME2 game just to purchase a prejek paddlefish. Just in case.

[albertalad]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Well, I loaded the first Shep I'll use for ME3 and I bought the damned fish.
Do I have to use it somewhere in ME3?

Did you keep the Collector base as well? According to the Prima guide the Krogan guy posted you have to keep those fish alive through ME2, through first playthrough ME3 and to that point of second playthrough of ME3 - then Liara will call you to her quarters and give you special INTEL!

[LilyasAvalon]

albertalad wrote...

Yes, I understand scan and photos. You'll have to excuse me then - I was hoping to give you further information on what he posted and it all looks very real in fact more real than anything yet. If you check those mentioned fish ARE listed as a war asset, and are far and away the most expensive fish on Illium. Over 7000 credits but 6666 credits with the discount. All other fish are selling for $500 credits. I wondered why those fish were so expensive just as I wondered why there are TWO huge aquariums in Sheppard's quarters. It seemed to be the obvious place for those would have been for the entire crew. However, to me at least those aquariums always screamed at me to GET FISH! And the other part - I have always blown up the Collector base - this playthrough I'm gonna go with keeping that base.

I wonder what their excuse for the fish being a war asset is... Reaper controlling fish maybe? Joker controlling fish?

...And you're ****ting me, blowing up that base is a mistake...

...Moral interrogatory and pissing off TIM or adopting Turian babies with Garrus...

...So conflicted.