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[Lestatman]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Bioware manages to fail not only in giving divergnet stories with seperate causes and missions, but it doesn't even let you approach the same stories and missions from a different angle (Like letting you side with Cerberus).

It would have been nice to see my Renegade Shep who didn't care about the Alliance and was more friendly with Cerberus to start of in ME3 with Cerberus and having saved the Collector Base actually using it as a base rather than the Citadel.

[Major Swift]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

For them that's 40% of people that handed over $10 for absolutely no extra work or investment on their own end. For them, that's a great success, and something they'd like to exploit again.

its just freaking ridiculous, he's on the god damn disc why the hell should anyone pay $10 for him, blows the mind, then again im not a money hungry company like them so i don't think along those lines and never will
edit: "all that greed....... i don't understand how anyone could do that......and you know what, im glad i dont, it makes me feel human" (thanks for the quote Ashley, from when you actually had dialogue, obviously modified a part though lol)

Ashley dialogue DLC. Only $10 more.

hell no, it'd probably be the deleted scene or some **** thats already on disc somehow, i'd never buy that  
*turns around after hearing music, sees the damn panda staring at him* great whats he going to break today?

[Major Swift]

Lestatman wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Bioware manages to fail not only in giving divergnet stories with seperate causes and missions, but it doesn't even let you approach the same stories and missions from a different angle (Like letting you side with Cerberus).

It would have been nice to see my Renegade Shep who didn't care about the Alliance and was more friendly with Cerberus to start of in ME3 with Cerberus and having saved the Collector Base actually using it as a base rather than the Citadel.

yeah, i never play renegade but i think it'd be pretty cool, i'm a paragon and even im sick of how biased the game is against renegades, one problem though would be your squad, had an idea of how they'd still come along but i bet someone else will say it better than i can haha

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Oh well, glad I am not a DA fan, I can never buy any bioware stuff again with no regrets, can laugh at a distance at whatever ME prequel shooters they bring out...

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 12 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[The Anti-Saint]

My goodness, this thing is still going...4000 soon...

[Major Swift]

g_bassi13 wrote...

I know I myself keep talking about this without having played Witcher 2 yet myself, but this is why I instantly reject the notion that Bioware making branching storylines is asking for too much. How? Smaller developers without the funding of the biggest publisher in the industry have done it already.

*snip*

Bioware manages to fail not only in giving divergnet stories with seperate causes and missions, but it doesn't even let you approach the same stories and missions from a different angle (Like letting you side with Cerberus).
*snip*

what happened at BioWare at just the thought of these two things/having branching storylines (what you said is what he throws in ) http://i1215.photobu...eloaded/994.gif

Modifié par Major Swift, 12 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[Tyion133]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Oh well, glad I am not a DA fan, I can never buy any bioware stuff again with no regrets, can laugh at a distance at whatever ME prequel shooters they bring out...

Think we could get ME4 ''The not-****ed-up-version-of-ME3''?

[sagevallant]

Laterali wrote...

I think their creativity reached its end. They've used the same plot for every single one of their games all the way back to Baldur's Gate with very little deviation from the path. The only difference is the backdrop. They have great character writers, but the people creating the main plot theme are one trick ponies.

http://rampantgames....2/bwcliches.png

Bioware's chart of plot cliches

That's just it, though. DA2 was without several of those cliches. And was lambasted for it.


You hail from humble origins..... not really. I mean, you're a peasant to begin with, sure, but your parents were a noblewoman and an APOSTATE. Who appearantly did a little work with the Gray Wardens, according to DLC.

A Devastating Battle sends your quiet life spinning out of balance..... well, not BATTLE exactly. You're a refugee fleeing from a Blight. There's some fighting but mostly you're just getting the hell out of there.

The attack leaves you with two companions.... unless you're the mage, anyway. The party will be two fighters and a mage regardless, balance issues and all.

Invited into an elite order.... nope. Just become filthy honking rich. And reclaim nobility, I guess?

You must travel to four main locations.... um, town, same town at night, wilderness? No real traveling.

Evil or Sinister Organization.... nope. Just three factions, mostly indifferent to your presence or trying to get you to join with them. Qunari, Mages, Templars.

Dream Sequence.... .....?

Ancient Ruins.... check. Should've just left that idol there, bro.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Tyion133 wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Oh well, glad I am not a DA fan, I can never buy any bioware stuff again with no regrets, can laugh at a distance at whatever ME prequel shooters they bring out...

Think we could get ME4 ''The not-****ed-up-version-of-ME3''?

Nah, even if they fixed the ending I am happy for it to be the end for shepard, I think it will be the end of the mass effect universe, just like 40k will never go past M41.999,,,


But so many years for bioware to prequel! and Prequel the prequels with interquels, and sequels to the prequels, so many unexplored years, months, weeks, days, days of unexploited time!

[Tyion133]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Oh well, glad I am not a DA fan, I can never buy any bioware stuff again with no regrets, can laugh at a distance at whatever ME prequel shooters they bring out...

Think we could get ME4 ''The not-****ed-up-version-of-ME3''?

Nah, even if they fixed the ending I am happy for it to be the end for shepard, I think it will be the end of the mass effect universe, just like 40k will never go past M41.999,,,


But so many years for bioware to prequel! and Prequel the prequels with interquels, and sequels to the prequels, so many unexplored years, months, weeks, days, days of unexploited time!

Well... We can only hope they're smart enough to learn from their mistakes...

[Major Swift]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Nah, even if they fixed the ending I am happy for it to be the end for shepard, I think it will be the end of the mass effect universe, just like 40k will never go past M41.999,,,


But so many years for bioware to prequel! and Prequel the prequels with interquels, and sequels to the prequels, so many unexplored years, months, weeks, days, days of unexploited time!

don't forget about the upcoming "Sleep Effect" where you play various members of the squad over the course of the 3 games while they dream   

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Tyion133 wrote...


Well... We can only hope they're smart enough to learn from their mistakes...

Oh I am sure they will...



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I'm yet another customer who is
dissatisfied with the ME3 ending and I appreciate the sustained effort made by
so many to convince BioWare to provide a better one. Beyond the main reasons
iterated clearly by people far more eloquent than me, there's an additional point
which added to the bitterness: BioWare was one of the few gaming companies I
trusted. Especially since they proved time and again that they are fully
capable of making an amazing product for 2.9 games in this series.

This should be an important point
to consider: Our disappointment and complaints (I mean the serious ones) stem
from BioWare being top notch and us not wanting to lose that. It’s also the
reason why I post here for the first time. Which leads to the bigger picture: Financial
considerations and artistic vision don’t always go hand in hand. To improve the
situation is up to us: we should raise our standards regarding games in general.
That way when financial decisions are made in the gaming industry, high product
quality will be regarded as a necessity not a bonus.

To be clearer: if this were about
brain surgery equipment no one would dream to cut corners because the
repercussions would be dire. If we want quality in the entertainment sector,
such as gaming, it is up to us not to buy anything below a certain standard. Not
everyone in the gaming business is all about the money. But those whose job is
the financial part should know as clear as crystal: if it lacks quality it just
won’t sell. Then companies who produce high quality games such as BioWare would
work under considerably less strain. There would be no pressure (which I assume happend to ME3) or temptation to cut corners.

I read the forums only occasionally
and while I put some extra effort in following the Retake movement I’m
hardly the involved type. From the perspective of a person who is on one hand
very disappointed by the ending, but not willing to invest massive amounts of
time in dealing with corporate PR tactics, I would like to make some
suggestions. Before that though: why bother listening to someone like me, who
won't commit time to the cause? For two reasons:

1) If a few hundred thousand
customers had the opportunity and were willing to express their disapproval of
the ending in about 5 minutes but regularly, say in a bi-weekly or monthly
poll, it would still add significant weight.

2) While I may not be willing to
invest time or because of it, I will change my stance towards new purchases from BioWare. (In
the greater scheme of things I should say EA but the only products motivating
me to do business with them so far come from BioWare). Until now I
bought their games at release and almost every DLC that came out. Since DA2 and
ME3 I will buy a game if friends confirm it’s awesome from start to
finish. Or if the general gamer consensus on the Internet claims as much a few
months after game release. Which is how I approach video games from most
companies.


Improve access and visibility to
a clear summary of:



               -
what is wrong with the ending

               -
what we would like changed

               -
our numbers, e.g. by charts, polls, etc.

 

The first two points are already addressed
in this forum and elsewhere, but perhaps their visibility could be improved.
Everyone interested in the ME3 ending topic should ideally be funneled within 5
minutes to this summary. Even if they don't happen directly across a major
thread like this. I was willing to invest several hours to figure out the
extent of disapproval for the endings, how well you’re organized and what
measures are being taken. Cutting that time down though might may serve the Retake
movement well. I also missed such a list on the Hold The Line page to tell what
the whole effort is all about in the first place. Ideally it should bring any casual
visitor quickly up to speed.

As already pointed out by others
it’s crucial to know how many out of the total number of customers worldwide ask
for a better ending(s). From the polls I saw alone, it seemed like only a few
thousands which is an understatement. Some people are dedicated, and have both
the time and energy to post and take actions regularly: the tip of the spear. I
admire their endurance, more so knowing I couldn’t keep it up. But clear
numbers in a summary should make it plain that it’s not a minority asking for
change and that the numbers remain high.

[G Kevin]

Good morn...afternoon everyone.

I take it not much has happened in 12 hours?

Also, contacts or glasses? I've worn glasses for three years yet people tell me I should try contacts.

[Major Swift]

random but one of the many reasons i'll end up getting skyrim for the PC too even though i got it on xbox lol 

[Major Swift]

G Kevin wrote...

Good morn...afternoon everyone.

I take it not much has happened in 12 hours?

Also, contacts or glasses? I've worn glasses for three years yet people tell me I should try contacts.

nothing really happened except the usual stuff lol, and everyone i know with contacts always seem to be complaining about them so i don't know what to tell you lol

Modifié par Major Swift, 12 mai 2012 - 06:51 .

[G Kevin]

Major Swift wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Good morn...afternoon everyone.

I take it not much has happened in 12 hours?

Also, contacts or glasses? I've worn glasses for three years yet people tell me I should try contacts.

nothing really happened except the usual stuff lol, and everyone i know with contacts always seem to be complaining about them so i don't know what to tell you lol

I prefer glasses myself. They are much easier to manage.

I'll be back in 20 mins after I finish watching the new Legend of Korra episode.

[Kyria Nyriese]

G Kevin wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Good morn...afternoon everyone.

I take it not much has happened in 12 hours?

Also, contacts or glasses? I've worn glasses for three years yet people tell me I should try contacts.

nothing really happened except the usual stuff lol, and everyone i know with contacts always seem to be complaining about them so i don't know what to tell you lol

I prefer glasses myself. They are much easier to manage.

I'll be back in 20 mins after I finish watching the new Legend of Korra episode.

I have contacts and glasses, due to the fact that my alergies are horrid I can only wear my contacts for short periods of time.  So I would probably say glasses.

[Tyion133]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Good morn...afternoon everyone.

I take it not much has happened in 12 hours?

Also, contacts or glasses? I've worn glasses for three years yet people tell me I should try contacts.

nothing really happened except the usual stuff lol, and everyone i know with contacts always seem to be complaining about them so i don't know what to tell you lol

I prefer glasses myself. They are much easier to manage.

I'll be back in 20 mins after I finish watching the new Legend of Korra episode.

I have contacts and glasses, due to the fact that my alergies are horrid I can only wear my contacts for short periods of time.  So I would probably say glasses.

Prefer glasses myself... Just feels wrong using contacts

[TamiBx]

 Everyone talking about glasses and contacts...I don't wear anything...
*feel left out*

[Jetfire99]

crawls out from under a pile of husks of all sort.

"I'm not dead just needed some time to recharge on things. I'm back, have you guys been well?

[Tyion133]

TamiBx wrote...

 Everyone talking about glasses and contacts...I don't wear anything...
*feel left out*

Aww... Well, we cant have that! So lets stop with the glasses/contacts convo and talk about something else... Tami gets to pick the subject!
Also, really tired all of a sudden...

[TamiBx]

Tyion133 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

 Everyone talking about glasses and contacts...I don't wear anything...
*feel left out*

Aww... Well, we cant have that! So lets stop with the glasses/contacts convo and talk about something else... Tami gets to pick the subject!
Also, really tired all of a sudden...

Yaaay! 
I have a question, actually. Is Overload supposed to be in game or after ME2 is over? 

Because I'm replaying ME2 with all the DLCs installed for the first time (last time I played it, Overload, LotSB, and Arrival weren't released yet) and they all opened after Horizon...even Arrival, which was weird. 

[Xellith]

Lestatman wrote...

Major Swift wrote...

its just freaking ridiculous, he's on the god damn disc why the hell should anyone pay $10 for him, blows the mind, then again im not a money hungry company like them so i don't think along those lines and never will

ditto ... the dark days of gaming is upon us.

You read that EA are proud of being able to milk extra cash with day 1 dlc right?

[BigglesFlysAgain]

TamiBx wrote...


Yaaay! 
I have a question, actually. Is Overload supposed to be in game or after ME2 is over? 

Because I'm replaying ME2 with all the DLCs installed for the first time (last time I played it, Overload, LotSB, and Arrival weren't released yet) and they all opened after Horizon...even Arrival, which was weird. 

yes, it is, its a bit uncanonical to do it if you have fallen out with the illusive man but its just so people can do it whenever they want to