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[Juniper Mucius]

Here's the thing I think people are overlooking. We have been told, by developers, to hold onto our Mass Effect 3 saves. Why? For DLC? They've said that DLC will come out in the future, and that's no reason to hold onto a Mass Effect 3 save.

The only reason they would announce that is because they are planning either a post-war expansion, or another game that continues the Mass Effect universe after the war. To me, this would suggest that no matter what the ending is, good or bad, the universe continues. (I guess unless there is a non-canon ending like Shepard dying at the end of ME2.)

This is also a money making franchise. You think EA will let BioWare just stop at a trilogy? The next game may not be about Shepard, but there will certainly be a next game. So even if the relays are destroyed in a good or bad ending, that isn't the end. Somehow, someway, the universe will get back up and running again. We'll just have to wait and see.

[M4N0FF4I7H]

I doubt he was wrong, it seems more likely that he is making it all up.

[Bebbe777]

So all this bull**** that your choices thru all three games can take the game to very different endings was just Casey dreaming

[TheSwex]

If I had to guess, I think the ending involves you doing exactly what the trailers all say: Taking back Earth. I bet we take back Earth, and then the good ending involves something like the forces rallying to begin to try to take back the rest of the Galaxy.

Paving the way for possible future games not involving Shepard of course. We'll get closure in this one, but only as far as Earth is concerned. Now the bad endings probably have all the terrible things we've been hearing about.

I'm betting if Shepard lives and saves Earth and destroys the Reapers attacking Earth, he probably retires or something like. Hell, just a guess on my part.

[Hyrist]

Huyna wrote...

Hyrist wrote...


Mass Effect creates a drama and threat on the scale beyond the 'happy ending'. Something was going to end poorly and I'm glad each ended with a consequence the player would not like.

"Player would not like" not the same as "we decided that billions of lives wasted during war is not enough so no pesronal happy ending for Sheppard and Normandy crew". Galaxy in tatters. Is it so much for Shep and his crew to have some peace?

Hyrist wrote...
Up until the ending was leaked, this very community was complaining that the only way to win the war was to be some Deus Ex Machina that would seem to be a shallow victory.

There will be Deus Ex Machina anyway. no?

That scene, being one without choice, was actually a GOOD scene, because it took choice away from the player, reminded them they were in a limited space  for choice- that they were not god.

We got that a lot in DA2. No matter what Anders will go besrserk and play terrorist,  no matter what, there will be a war between templars and mages. no matter what strange idol will corrupt everyone on it's path. We CAN NOT change that. Global scale, fine. But local scale, player scale, Hawk scale, Sheppard, should be more flexible. We earned it. Make it hard to achive, i am all for that, but provide us with all kinds of options. 

So basically what you're saying is you want your happy ending.

Bioware knows all you care about is the Normandy Crew. Having an ending that would allow you to spare them/be with them would go against that idea of 'no ending here is perfect'. You have to make a sacrafice here somewhere, a personal one.

The biggest complaint here is "I want Shep to be able to be with his crew/LI" for their ending. But the story was never about that. Yes, they were together on their journey, each time. However, every time they went their seperate ways at the end. There was never going to be some buddy group together. That was never implied in the seriese. But they were with you when it was needed right up until the end. That was what mattered.

Honestly, the ending I'd choose on this is going to wind up with my main Shep dead anyways. And honestly, I'm ok with that.

Either case, I see after-ending DLC coming up.

[Elegana]

scotkrow wrote...
Or both the prima guy and space edition guy are lieing/wrong/trolling.

Indeed. Now that I think about it, the endings do not sound like typical Mass Effect. Shepard has always done the impossible: Stopped Saren and Sovereign, died but came back alive, done "several" suicide missions (i.e.: Recruitment of Archangel, Fought against thousands of Geth, EVERYONE survived the so-called 'Suicide Mission'), and managed to blow up a mass relay. If he can do all of those things with majority of aliens on his side with a Deus Ex Machina, then I don't see how there's no "Happy" endings. 

Bioware could have easily implimented a happy ending with no loose ends. What they would have to do is add an epilogue, stating what happened like "Garrus did this and died a hero on a suicide mission. Tali and the quarians went back to Rannoch. Shepard and his LI got married and had children (and depending on who you chose as your LI) Shepard and his LI died of old age (Or Liara mourned his death and resumed as Shadow Broker" but add in the bitterness by giving a death count that depends on how ready you are and your choices like "4,974,465,836 people died. Earth was in complete dissary for decades. Communications to colonies were lost". Stuff like that. 

[CerberusSoldier]

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

[CerberusSoldier]

he means this thread

[WvStolzing]

This stuff is pure entertainment; it's not supposed to have people reflect on life, and death, what it means to exist, human finitude, the possibility of an intergalactic cosmopolitanism, and whatnot. It's a silly heroic tale; the sort of fantasy 12 year old boys fall asleep to.

A silly heroic tale for entertainment purposes only: It HAS TO have some kind of closure. As long as the ending doesn't insult anyone's intelligence, yes, it can *even* be 'all sunshine and butterflies'.

[EVani]

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

[Juniper Mucius]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

That's not proving that these endings are true and accurate.  It means that there's too many damn threads about a single topic.  It's called moderating.

[Capeo]

scotkrow wrote...



Or both the prima guy and space edition guy are lieing/wrong/trolling.

Yes it's a crazy conspiracy involving tank on the SA forums who has been right about everything for months including the prothean squad mates name (which isn't in the script), the guy on SA that says he played it, the guy on our forum who has been answering questions all day from the guide, and EA who is so good at protecting their secrets that they allowed a demo, two scripts, and a DLC get leaked. 

[scotkrow]

Elegana wrote...

scotkrow wrote...
Or both the prima guy and space edition guy are lieing/wrong/trolling.

Indeed. Now that I think about it, the endings do not sound like typical Mass Effect. Shepard has always done the impossible: Stopped Saren and Sovereign, died but came back alive, done "several" suicide missions (i.e.: Recruitment of Archangel, Fought against thousands of Geth, EVERYONE survived the so-called 'Suicide Mission'), and managed to blow up a mass relay. If he can do all of those things with majority of aliens on his side with a Deus Ex Machina, then I don't see how there's no "Happy" endings. 

Bioware could have easily implimented a happy ending with no loose ends. What they would have to do is add an epilogue, stating what happened like "Garrus did this and died a hero on a suicide mission. Tali and the quarians went back to Rannoch. Shepard and his LI got married and had children (and depending on who you chose as your LI) Shepard and his LI died of old age (Or Liara mourned his death and resumed as Shadow Broker" but add in the bitterness by giving a death count that depends on how ready you are and your choices like "4,974,465,836 people died. Earth was in complete dissary for decades. Communications to colonies were lost". Stuff like that. 

Like the way they tell you about all your companions at the end of Fallout New Vegas.  I like it.  That would be cool.

[CerberusSoldier]

The endings being discussed are the real ones

[Armass81]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Here's the thing I think people are overlooking. We have been told, by developers, to hold onto our Mass Effect 3 saves. Why? For DLC? They've said that DLC will come out in the future, and that's no reason to hold onto a Mass Effect 3 save.

The only reason they would announce that is because they are planning either a post-war expansion, or another game that continues the Mass Effect universe after the war. To me, this would suggest that no matter what the ending is, good or bad, the universe continues. (I guess unless there is a non-canon ending like Shepard dying at the end of ME2.)

This is also a money making franchise. You think EA will let BioWare just stop at a trilogy? The next game may not be about Shepard, but there will certainly be a next game. So even if the relays are destroyed in a good or bad ending, that isn't the end. Somehow, someway, the universe will get back up and running again. We'll just have to wait and see.

Might also explain why all 3 endings have the relays exploding now, they need them to be gone for the future games?

Modifié par Armass81, 28 février 2012 - 11:33 .

[Juniper Mucius]

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

[CptData]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Here's the thing I think people are overlooking. We have been told, by developers, to hold onto our Mass Effect 3 saves. Why? For DLC? They've said that DLC will come out in the future, and that's no reason to hold onto a Mass Effect 3 save.

The only reason they would announce that is because they are planning either a post-war expansion, or another game that continues the Mass Effect universe after the war. To me, this would suggest that no matter what the ending is, good or bad, the universe continues. (I guess unless there is a non-canon ending like Shepard dying at the end of ME2.)

This is also a money making franchise. You think EA will let BioWare just stop at a trilogy? The next game may not be about Shepard, but there will certainly be a next game. So even if the relays are destroyed in a good or bad ending, that isn't the end. Somehow, someway, the universe will get back up and running again. We'll just have to wait and see.

"Red Hering" regarding the "keep your saves" stuff?

[Treopod]

Capeo wrote...

Another thing that is worrying me is that the guy who says he played it is insisting it's not possible to get the "best" ending without playing MP or the ios because the max readiness you get from the SP game is not enough.

wtf? if this is true, then the Bioware employes deserve a beating, they straight up lied if that is true, complete bull****.

[Juniper Mucius]

Armass81 wrote...

Might also explain why all 3 endings have the relays exploding now, they need them to be gone for the future games?

My question would be, do they just shut down the Mass Relay system someway?  Or do they utterly destroy every Mass Relay in the galaxy?  If they just shut down the individual Mass Relays, I could see a future game about reactivating them in some fashion.  Of course, this is pure speculation.  Accessing one at a time in some way.  Who knows?

CptData wrote...

"Red Hering" regarding the "keep your saves" stuff?

 

Doubt it.  Again, they are owned by EA.  EA is a money making machine (that isn't an insult, they are a corporation and corporations exist to make profit).  Whether BioWare wants this to be the end of Mass Effect or not is not their decision.  Bungie wanted Halo 3 to be the end of the Halo franchise entirely.  We see what happened there.

[Capeo]

TheSwex wrote...

If I had to guess, I think the ending involves you doing exactly what the trailers all say: Taking back Earth. I bet we take back Earth, and then the good ending involves something like the forces rallying to begin to try to take back the rest of the Galaxy.

Paving the way for possible future games not involving Shepard of course. We'll get closure in this one, but only as far as Earth is concerned. Now the bad endings probably have all the terrible things we've been hearing about.

I'm betting if Shepard lives and saves Earth and destroys the Reapers attacking Earth, he probably retires or something like. Hell, just a guess on my part.

You take back earth after you bring the citadel into earth orbit. You have to get the crucible from earth up to the citadel then activate it which allows you to use the relays to defeat the reapers. Depending on your readiness and your paragon/renegade rating you'll have certain choices open. A couple destroy earth as well. Only one, according to the script and what the space edition guy say even allows shep to live. 

[M4N0FF4I7H]

Capeo wrote...

scotkrow wrote...



Or both the prima guy and space edition guy are lieing/wrong/trolling.

Yes it's a crazy conspiracy involving tank on the SA forums who has been right about everything for months including the prothean squad mates name (which isn't in the script), the guy on SA that says he played it, the guy on our forum who has been answering questions all day from the guide, and EA who is so good at protecting their secrets that they allowed a demo, two scripts, and a DLC get leaked. 

The guy on SA and the guy who got an early space edition are probably telling the truth while the guy who was answering questions from the guide is probably making up all the things he's telling us.

[EVani]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

Well, we have our semi happy ending of civilization slowy recovering there. Also it took humans what 30 years to get up to speed with the res of of the galaxy? I feel like humans/shep have done enough impossible things enough that all endings should be possible except defeating the reapers without some dead colonies

[glacier1701]

FTL travel exists - the Reapers have it and so does everyone else. After all how do you go to the other systems that are not directly connected with a Mass Relay? And the FTL is DAMN fast. The Mass Relays are basically LONG RANGE transit systems. So if they do go boom it will mean that travel to other systems will be limited in range but there will still be travel. Might be a couple of hundred years before there is a new Relay system up and running but it wont be doom and gloom as people think if the Reaper Relays are gone.

[Juniper Mucius]

Treopod wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Another thing that is worrying me is that the guy who says he played it is insisting it's not possible to get the "best" ending without playing MP or the ios because the max readiness you get from the SP game is not enough.

wtf? if this is true, then the Bioware employes deserve a beating, they straight up lied if that is true, complete bull****.

Okay, who said that?  Because you know he's lying then.  BioWare has stated time and time again that you do not need to play the multi-player or any of the iOS games to get the best possible ending.  The Galaxy at War system is made specifically as an add-on.  You don't need the From Ashes DLC to get the best ending in the game, and I've looked at the "War Assests" spoiler page.  The person who said this is absolutely, 100% trolling you.

[DarthLaxian]

well - i think it "bad" to consider blowing out (destroying) all the relays, but it would not be the end for civilisation, ships can go FTL without a relay (and we know that the protheans constructed their own relay - we even use it to go to the citadel! - so why should they not be replacable?)...as for sheppard dying/being marooned on some rock in space?

sorry, but this is not motivating me to play the game - i tend to dislike dark and gritty, sorry, but it is not my style (like New-BSG...sorry, the show could have been cool, but they killed it IMHO by it being to dark and by an ending that was bull-crap (!) - and now bioware does the same?...sorry, but this leak hopefully is/was a fake...)

as for wanting a happy ending - yes i do, it is what i "labor" for (!), otherwise i would not play, because then the ending (at least in my head) would be the same, as - if there is no sheppard to rally the galaxy under one banner - there will be no galaxy left after the reapers went through it with their companion death and his scythe...at least no galaxy filled with advanced beings...those who have not travelled to the stars will of course not be harmed, for the next cycle!)

sorry, but no way - i do not believe they are doing that, it would be company suicide (unless EA wants to destroy another perfectly good franchise - like they did with command and conquer, were the last installement was a punch to your guts for fans (or for males: in your private parts))

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