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[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

I'll write everyone a script for topical discussion, we simply swap scripts every day and we have a large supply of discussion... Just remember to change gender prefixes lol


Though TBH, as long as we don't start posting motivationals and image spam I think they will let us live just becuase of the minor (and frankly unjustified!) outrage closing the thread would bring from people who have not actualy posted here for weeks...

And there is an ending-dissappointment post every 50 pages or so 
I myself am starting to grow pessimistic about the EC after that fateful tweet. I was defending the original blog post, but is the EC really just spells out "what should have been inferred" from the original ending, I might flip a table.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

...or just sigh and sink to the dark pool of swamp water of oblivion.
I think 99% of us got what was inferred. The problem still remains that at the very least the execution of the engind does not deliver.

What tweet? Did I miss something important again?

[g_bassi13]

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

I'll write everyone a script for topical discussion, we simply swap scripts every day and we have a large supply of discussion... Just remember to change gender prefixes lol


Though TBH, as long as we don't start posting motivationals and image spam I think they will let us live just becuase of the minor (and frankly unjustified!) outrage closing the thread would bring from people who have not actualy posted here for weeks...

And there is an ending-dissappointment post every 50 pages or so 
I myself am starting to grow pessimistic about the EC after that fateful tweet. I was defending the original blog post, but is the EC really just spells out "what should have been inferred" from the original ending, I might flip a table.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

...or just sigh and sink to the dark pool of swamp water of oblivion.
I think 99% of us got what was inferred. The problem still remains that at the very least the execution of the engind does not deliver.

What tweet? Did I miss something important again?

It was posted something like 5 days ago, so you may have already read it. But here it is:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/199995931851112448

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Tyion133 wrote...


What tweet? Did I miss something important again?

Just the JM "More to visualy proccess" and "what you had to infer before" tweet

[Tyion133]

g_bassi13 wrote...

It was posted something like 5 days ago, so you may have already read it. But here it is:

twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/199995931851112448

Ahh... that... I had blissfully erased that from my mind... I still want to believe that the EC is going to change something...

[Atrocity]

g_bassi13 wrote...

What. Are you accusing them of not "listening"? What an absurd notion 

It is kind of hard to accept that a developer like Bioware has in a year and a bit, gone from essentially batting 1000, to... well, this. But there are other companies out there still making good games, and it is possible to move on... even though the idea of no longer being able to look forward to Bioware's next release is an unpleasent one. But if what they're now serving is crap, then moving on it is.

Believe it or not, not listening is not my biggest problem with that potential spell out EC scenario. It's much more petty and personal 

Providing further "insight" to "what was supposed to be inferred from the existing ending" sounds like an insult to my considerable intelligence. I can analyse and pick apart modernistic abstract literature AND make a reasonable argument for my literary analysis to be a piece belonging to the field of cognitive science, so I feel, maybe delusionally, that I am perfectly able to understand whatever message was intended to be communicated via RGB-Starbrat scene, thankyou very much. And I still think it is a bad, bad, bad piece in its context, given the narrative structure, themes and cohesion of the entire series.

I'm an elitist university snob, how dare you not respect mah authoritaah! 

[Nharia1]

Astralify wrote...

Hi all!
I love your fanfic.  It would've been awesome if we could see it in the game.. *sigh*

You should read mine if you haven't already.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

g_bassi13 wrote...




Also, outside of thinking about all the listening upon listening they've been telling us they've been doing, I was thinking back to an earlier comment of Casey Hudson's, which was about how he wanted the ending as is, because he didn't want something that was too "gamey." I originally derided that because of his suggestion that his videogame shouldn't be videogamey... but if you think about it, why is he saying that when the almost the entirety of the rest of the it was just that. They sacrificed things like story and dialogue for the sake of making it gamey and giving it a mass appeal. It makes even less sense juxtaposed on top of this game than it does the first two. They turned entire missions into long corridor shootouts without any purpose or reason, and than they toss this ending into it. It's like they're trying to give us the worst of both worlds.

*Senior Bioware staffer voice*

Oh silly, you know there is a difference between video gamey and "video gamey" right?


*Awkward silence"

[Nharia1]

Well I'm going to bed, Night all~! *waves* I'm going to go sleep in a pool of lava now~! xP

[Phoenix NL]

Nharia1 wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Hi all!
I love your fanfic.  It would've been awesome if we could see it in the game.. *sigh*

You should read mine if you haven't already.

Sleep well Nharia! I'll catch you later or tomorrow.

[Nharia1]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Hi all!
I love your fanfic.  It would've been awesome if we could see it in the game.. *sigh*

You should read mine if you haven't already.

Sleep well Nharia! I'll catch you later or tomorrow.

Haha yep~! I've got to say, with you playing the Infil, and me playing the Soldier, we make a pretty good team, now we just need to find an Adept..... and someone else....

[Goodwood]

G'night all! Have fun and HOLD THE LINE!

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Goodwood wrote...

G'night all! Have fun and HOLD THE LINE!

Goodnight Von Stalhein !

[g_bassi13]

Atrocity wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

What. Are you accusing them of not "listening"? What an absurd notion 

It is kind of hard to accept that a developer like Bioware has in a year and a bit, gone from essentially batting 1000, to... well, this. But there are other companies out there still making good games, and it is possible to move on... even though the idea of no longer being able to look forward to Bioware's next release is an unpleasent one. But if what they're now serving is crap, then moving on it is.

Believe it or not, not listening is not my biggest problem with that potential spell out EC scenario. It's much more petty and personal 

Providing further "insight" to "what was supposed to be inferred from the existing ending" sounds like an insult to my considerable intelligence. I can analyse and pick apart modernistic abstract literature AND make a reasonable argument for my literary analysis to be a piece belonging to the field of cognitive science, so I feel, maybe delusionally, that I am perfectly able to understand whatever message was intended to be communicated via RGB-Starbrat scene, thankyou very much. And I still think it is a bad, bad, bad piece in its context, given the narrative structure, themes and cohesion of the entire series.

I'm an elitist university snob, how dare you not respect mah authoritaah! 

Well, the two are interrealted. What we said was "The ending sucks because *list 100 reasons here*", and what Bioware heard us say was "The ending sucks because we're too stupid to understand the genius of what you're trying to say".

So my reaction has been the same as yours since about a week after the release of the game, when they first began to utter notions about "clarifications". I felt like they were talking down to me and insulting my intelligence.

What I was trying to say with my post is that they never cared what we had to say regarding the matter. As a paying customer, that's a sign to take my money elsewhere.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Real artistic integrity would have been to keep the original ending despite the leak, Hollywood knee-jerk reactions in similar circumstances is usually to the detriment of the film (if it had a good plot to start with!) Giving up on a whole previously hinted back-story (dark energy) means all those references in me2 are now a joke, and it means they had to go with plan b, or plan bad ending as we like to call it.

If the online community is just a worthless vocal minority, why worry if only they saw the leak anyway? I was a silent fan before this, and I am only vaguely aware of it happening last year I think, and even then I had no inclination to go and look it up...

*rage*

[Atrocity]

In all fairness, from what I've heard about the Dark Energy ending... I wouldn't have liked that one either. It might have been better than the current one, but frankly I think "edgy dark everyone dies" endings are cheap way to end stories. Everyone does it, and it's in no way more artistic or better than a so called happy ending.

ME1 and 2 had happy options. They made you work for it, but that's just the thing, in games and in general, when you put effort in, you expect something of equal or greater value to come out. Otherwise you feel cheated, and rightly so.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Atrocity wrote...

In all fairness, from what I've heard about the Dark Energy ending... I wouldn't have liked that one either. It might have been better than the current one, but frankly I think "edgy dark everyone dies" endings are cheap way to end stories. Everyone does it, and it's in no way more artistic or better than a so called happy ending.

ME1 and 2 had happy options. They made you work for it, but that's just the thing, in games and in general, when you put effort in, you expect something of equal or greater value to come out. Otherwise you feel cheated, and rightly so.

Ye it probably is rose tinted flying goggles... people would have probably disliked it too...

But your right about the lack of difference in the endings...

Sure the 3 options do create 3 very different Galaxies, but in the short to medium term, while us simple gamers wanted the differences to be obvious in the extreme short term, and really there is very little difference apart from the colour of the explosion in that timescale.

But given the only pay off for getting a really high ems is the shepard breathing easter egg, as the game stands there is no point in working hard for a better ending, unlike in me2 if you rushed you got punished, here you get punished whatever ending you choose...

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 14 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[MeldarthX]

Major Swift wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

Depends on the zombies hun - go with Shawn of the Dead kind; they can do some stuff

"player 2 has entered the game"

Damn it will you stop trying to eat me and play the damn game

[Atrocity]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Ye it probably is rose tinted flying goggles... people would have probably disliked it too...

But your right about the lack of difference in the endings...

Sure the 3 options do create 3 very different Galaxies, but in the short to medium term, while us simple gamers wanted the differences to be obvious in the extreme short term, and really there is very little difference apart from the colour of the explosion in that timescale.

But given the only pay off for getting a really high ems is the shepard breathing easter egg, as the game stands there is no point in working hard for a better ending, unlike in me2 if you rushed you got punished, here you get punished whatever ending you choose...

Part of the problem is that somewhere along the line someone forgot the basic principles of gaming. Gamers become involved with their games, and with RPG titles to a point of hardly separating the protagonist from the gamer him-/herself. *cough my DAO characters cough*

When you are involved in something to a point that on some level it is you doing all that spaceship flying/saving the world/marrying Alistair, you want a happy, satisfactory ending. I know there is couple of generations worth of hipster emo kids crying they're different now that I( have typed that sentence. To you emo hipster kids: SHUT UP. You want that fairy tale Alistair wedding ending as much as the rest of us, the difference being we are mature enough to be honest about it.

That is not to say only happy endings are satisfactory. "Bad" endings can be too, as a counterweight to underline your sense of accomplishment, or solely by their own right, though I have yet to see that one pulled off. But that's just a personal opinion.

What is not a personal opinion, is the fact that if a game, and the developers, do not deliver something worth fighting for, they basically killed their income. Unless they care only about making bubblegum games, to be chewed once and then trash binned.

Naturally all of the above does not apply to all games, but I think that is the basics of any RPG game with a story, if it even flirts with the possibility of taking gamer's decisions seriously.

[Major Swift]

Nharia1 wrote...

Phoenix NL wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Hi all!
I love your fanfic.  It would've been awesome if we could see it in the game.. *sigh*

You should read mine if you haven't already.

Sleep well Nharia! I'll catch you later or tomorrow.

Haha yep~! I've got to say, with you playing the Infil, and me playing the Soldier, we make a pretty good team, now we just need to find an Adept..... and someone else....

I'd be the asari justicar (adept) or w/e seeing as I have everything except 3 of them if I wasn't always asleep when this is all taking place/doing stuff lol

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

In all fairness, from what I've heard about the Dark Energy ending... I wouldn't have liked that one either. It might have been better than the current one, but frankly I think "edgy dark everyone dies" endings are cheap way to end stories. Everyone does it, and it's in no way more artistic or better than a so called happy ending.

ME1 and 2 had happy options. They made you work for it, but that's just the thing, in games and in general, when you put effort in, you expect something of equal or greater value to come out. Otherwise you feel cheated, and rightly so.

Ever seen Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? It was kinda supposed to end like that... At least from what ive heard about the leaked script...

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

In all fairness, from what I've heard about the Dark Energy ending... I wouldn't have liked that one either. It might have been better than the current one, but frankly I think "edgy dark everyone dies" endings are cheap way to end stories. Everyone does it, and it's in no way more artistic or better than a so called happy ending.

ME1 and 2 had happy options. They made you work for it, but that's just the thing, in games and in general, when you put effort in, you expect something of equal or greater value to come out. Otherwise you feel cheated, and rightly so.

Ever seen Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? It was kinda supposed to end like that... At least from what ive heard about the leaked script...

Nope, if Gurren Lagann is even mentioned, I usually stop listening 

As a completely off-topic notion, am I right to be worried because of my feet? Because I am. They have something evil planned, I just know it.

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

In all fairness, from what I've heard about the Dark Energy ending... I wouldn't have liked that one either. It might have been better than the current one, but frankly I think "edgy dark everyone dies" endings are cheap way to end stories. Everyone does it, and it's in no way more artistic or better than a so called happy ending.

ME1 and 2 had happy options. They made you work for it, but that's just the thing, in games and in general, when you put effort in, you expect something of equal or greater value to come out. Otherwise you feel cheated, and rightly so.

Ever seen Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? It was kinda supposed to end like that... At least from what ive heard about the leaked script...

Nope, if Gurren Lagann is even mentioned, I usually stop listening 

As a completely off-topic notion, am I right to be worried because of my feet? Because I am. They have something evil planned, I just know it.

What's wrong with Gurren Lagann?
Also... Nice socks...

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...
What's wrong with Gurren Lagann?
Also... Nice socks...

Not just my cup of tea. Unlike Mononoke or Higurashi or BLAME!

And sure, the socks looked nice in the store, but now I'm not so sure... 

[Tyion133]

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
What's wrong with Gurren Lagann?
Also... Nice socks...

Not just my cup of tea. Unlike Mononoke or Higurashi or BLAME!

And sure, the socks looked nice in the store, but now I'm not so sure... 

Hehe... Dont want to get the anime-chat started, but my favorite is Trigun... The anime itself isnt as good as the manga, but I still like it.
Also, the moment your socks start trying to take over the world, then you'll know if they're nice or not.

[Atrocity]

Tyion133 wrote...

Atrocity wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...
What's wrong with Gurren Lagann?
Also... Nice socks...

Not just my cup of tea. Unlike Mononoke or Higurashi or BLAME!

And sure, the socks looked nice in the store, but now I'm not so sure... 

Hehe... Dont want to get the anime-chat started, but my favorite is Trigun... The anime itself isnt as good as the manga, but I still like it.
Also, the moment your socks start trying to take over the world, then you'll know if they're nice or not.

There is no question of their evilness, it's just in what particular way they choose manifest it. <_<
And Hellsing is good too, I like the manga, the original anime and the Ultimate OVAs. I still have a major lez-crush on Zorin.