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[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

recentio wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

 If it only featured Shepard walking around and doing the dishes while chatting to his LI about who's going to tuck Junior in that night?

In comparison to what we have now, I would much prefer this.

With this, at least there is a feasible future for the galaxy. All of the endings so far are too vague for anything except for  "Civilization is screwed, and nearly everybody will die".

Like someone said earlier, Grimdark endings aren't artsy, they're lazy. There's a difference between "dark and mature", and "forced and contrived".

This.

I'm gonna talk about DA:O yet again. Those endings were done well. The tone of the game was dark, you had hints that you were going to have to sacrifice something big eventually. And when you finally did, you were left with a bittersweet feeling. Not just bitter.
I cried like a baby when my F!Amell died. But it was great. It fit her and it fit the story I had just been told.

Joker running away and somehow getting the Normandy stranded for the sake of drama feels forced and lazy.

And the "press button so something sucky will happen and the galaxy is saved" is just silly.

And at least you had Morrigan with the option to have a happy yet unsettling ending.

Heh, I enjoyed 'persuading' Alistair to sleep with her...pretty sure he wanted to.

Not unsettling because my LI was coerced into bedding her. More like, what she intended to do with the baby later on. But yeah, you could still have a happy ending. It's good to be queen.

[BaronIveagh]

tishr wrote...

Grimdark isn't artsy, it's lazy.

Actually, grimdark isn't in and of itself laxy.  However, this doesn't even qualify as grimdatk, it's just bad. 

(In a grimdark ending, Sheppard would fail no matter what and the reapers would consume the galaxy reguardless of what Shep did.)

The problem here is that we write a really crap ending that breaks suspension of disbelife becasue suddenly Shep become unable to think criticially, and the reason tht these are your only choices is not really explained.

It's bad when the Matrix has abetter resolution to the issue...

[AdhamS]

GUYS NO TROLLING= I have the ability to get MASS EFFECT 3 (normal edition) BY NOW if I want, all I need to do is a make a small call to one of my good friends, but this would involve me cancelling ME3 Collectors edition and buying the ME3 normal edition..As much as I want to find out the truth, I dont know should I wait or just get it and find out once and for all?

[GBGriffin]

XX55XX wrote...


Whoever said that they were inbreeding in that cutscene? The final epilogue scene can be interpreted as ME being a fictional tale a grandfather told his grandchild, not that Joker and Co. established a colony there. 

It was either a poor design choice or an intentional attempt to make people conclude as much, but the sky they look at is the same one from the Normandy crash landing. Honestly, if they had changed it, I doubt people would be having this discussion. But they left it in there and made both environments the same, which, again, was either an accident they hoped no one would notice, or a clear attempt to say that they are descendants.

Modifié par GBGriffin, 03 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[GBGriffin]

AdhamS wrote...

GUYS NO TROLLING= I have the ability to get MASS EFFECT 3 (normal edition) BY NOW if I want, all I need to do is a make a small call to one of my good friends, but this would involve me cancelling ME3 Collectors edition and buying the ME3 normal edition..As much as I want to find out the truth, I dont know should I wait or just get it and find out once and for all?

If you get it, and play through it, even data mine it, people will still call you a liar and insist no one take the word "one guy on the Internet".

I'd just wait it out really.

[XX55XX]

recentio wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

Okay, I agree that the ending is lazy because it doesn't explore the aftermath of Shepard's actions through the use of eulogies or ending narration. But the ending in and of itself isn't bad writing at all.

What's so wrong with the relays getting destroyed? What's wrong with the species and their fleets getting trapped in the solar system? At least they won, even as the victory rings hollow.

The victory means nothing if the civilization is still privy to falling.

So what? Pyrrhic victories are a common theme in literature. Winning the battle, losing the war. Certainly a cliche, but it's no more a cliche than seeing Shepard and Co. overwhelming the Reapers through brute force alone and then seeing Shepard standing tall before a large crowd of cheering people, LI and squadmates by his side. 

Happy endings are lazy and cliched too. 

This is getting so old... No one wants a "Happy Ending". We just want one alternative ending that doesn't destroy everything that we care about in ME. Just because Shep and his LI and/or crew are together at the end DOES NOT MEAN that the relays survive or that every race is saved or anything else. It would still be a dark and "realistic" ending!

I can sympathize with such a sentiment. But again, it was Mac Walters' decision to separate them all. 

I don't like the ending much as it stands either, just playing devil's advocate with you. It doesn't have enough closure in my book. 

[humes spork]

Karrie788 wrote...

I'm gonna talk about DA:O yet again. Those endings were done well. The tone of the game was dark, you had hints that you were going to have to sacrifice something big eventually. And when you finally did, you were left with a bittersweet feeling. Not just bitter.
I cried like a baby when my F!Amell died. But it was great. It fit her and it fit the story I had just been told.

Sacrifice what?

I sent the annoying incompetent bint off to a life of booze-sodden mediocrity, fed the unlikeable designated villain to the archdemon, and went home with his dog to have myself an all-you-can-eat dwarf hooker buffet on the dime of the A-holes who sent me packing in the first place. The rotting corpses of all the annoying, goody-two-shoes companions littered the road.

Everyone was happy.

Modifié par humes spork, 03 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[recentio]

AdhamS wrote...

GUYS NO TROLLING= I have the ability to get MASS EFFECT 3 (normal edition) BY NOW if I want, all I need to do is a make a small call to one of my good friends, but this would involve me cancelling ME3 Collectors edition and buying the ME3 normal edition..As much as I want to find out the truth, I dont know should I wait or just get it and find out once and for all?

Go for it if you want to, bro. Make sure to try that fish BS in a NG+ so we can finally put that joke to bed.

[albertalad]

IF the Citadel is the key then earth has countless nukes. Slap five thermonuclear bombs inside the Citadel and blow that thing to dust. Why the idiot buttons resulting in murdering countless more billions? Why the idiot Christmas tree lights cut scenes to me is the height of laziness bordering on stupidity that will get you bed and lodging in your nearest insane asylum.

[XX55XX]

AdhamS wrote...

GUYS NO TROLLING= I have the ability to get MASS EFFECT 3 (normal edition) BY NOW if I want, all I need to do is a make a small call to one of my good friends, but this would involve me cancelling ME3 Collectors edition and buying the ME3 normal edition..As much as I want to find out the truth, I dont know should I wait or just get it and find out once and for all?

The window of opportunity is closing quickly. Get it now. 

[Karrie788]

humes spork wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I'm gonna talk about DA:O yet again. Those endings were done well. The tone of the game was dark, you had hints that you were going to have to sacrifice something big eventually. And when you finally did, you were left with a bittersweet feeling. Not just bitter.
I cried like a baby when my F!Amell died. But it was great. It fit her and it fit the story I had just been told.

Sacrifice what?

I sent the annoying incompetent bint off to a life of booze-sodden mediocrity, fed the unlikeable designated villain to the archdemon, and went home with his dog to have myself an all-you-can-eat dwarf hooker buffet on the dime of the A-holes who sent me packing in the first place. The rotting corpses of all the annoying, goody-two-shoes companions littered the road.

Everyone was happy.

My female Tabris got a "happy ending" too. Got her revenge for being dumped because "you're an elf, I'm a king" by hooking up with Zevran and sending Alistair to his death. It was glorious.

[Elegana]

albertalad wrote...

IF the Citadel is the key then earth has countless nukes. Slap five thermonuclear bombs inside the Citadel and blow that thing to dust. Why the idiot buttons resulting in murdering countless more billions? Why the idiot Christmas tree lights cut scenes to me is the height of laziness bordering on stupidity that will get you bed and lodging in your nearest insane asylum.

No, see, now you're thinking with logic. Space Magic doesn't use logic.

[GBGriffin]

I fail to see how this one extra guy getting a copy would be any different from any other source. He could just as easily confirm or troll everyone. It's all a matter of people accepting what's been presented so far or denying it based on faith that BioWare wouldn't "do this".

Don't encourage him to cancel his pre-order just because you refuse to believe what's already been established/corroborated. Otherwise, he'll just become another source that people won't believe.

[recentio]

Karrie788 wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Karrie788 wrote...

I'm gonna talk about DA:O yet again. Those endings were done well. The tone of the game was dark, you had hints that you were going to have to sacrifice something big eventually. And when you finally did, you were left with a bittersweet feeling. Not just bitter.
I cried like a baby when my F!Amell died. But it was great. It fit her and it fit the story I had just been told.

Sacrifice what?

I sent the annoying incompetent bint off to a life of booze-sodden mediocrity, fed the unlikeable designated villain to the archdemon, and went home with his dog to have myself an all-you-can-eat dwarf hooker buffet on the dime of the A-holes who sent me packing in the first place. The rotting corpses of all the annoying, goody-two-shoes companions littered the road.

Everyone was happy.

My female Tabris got a "happy ending" too. Got her revenge for being dumped because "you're an elf, I'm a king" by hooking up with Zevran and sending Alistair to his death. It was glorious.

I quite enjoyed gutting Logain at the first opportunity.  And shuffling off into the sunset with Leliana at the end.

See how different all of these endings are? And how each of us is happy with our own unique experience?

Something BW forgot somewhere along the way...

[albertalad]

Elegana wrote...

albertalad wrote...

IF the Citadel is the key then earth has countless nukes. Slap five thermonuclear bombs inside the Citadel and blow that thing to dust. Why the idiot buttons resulting in murdering countless more billions? Why the idiot Christmas tree lights cut scenes to me is the height of laziness bordering on stupidity that will get you bed and lodging in your nearest insane asylum.

No, see, now you're thinking with logic. Space Magic doesn't use logic.

LOL - well then if the Roadrunner can live through countless explosions, make perfect outlines in the earth after falling from out of the coulds - then climb out of that hole - Sheppard rose from the dead so don't kill TIM and just make another Sheppard same as the last Sheppard. Seems better than pick the button and get your favorite Christams color!

[TekFanX]

What bothers me most is this lack of closure in the leaked endings, regarding the other characters.

A "six months later" ending with the survivors from the normandy having established some kind of camp with the dextro-survivers alive would have meant, where ever they are, they build a future and don't just look at the sky after the crash. You didn't need to know if they build a dextro-food-synthesizer or if it's a special planet with both kinds of DNA creating an eco-system.
If they had to be fused to cyborgs, show them still a bit scared by their new self, as they charge themself up at some kind of energy-source, without the need for food or some kind like that.
It didn't even have to be voiced.
And the other races trying to get their own homeworlds running. After all, they seem to be already in the game. Add some plants, remove some debris-objects and show some voiceless NPC's working.

I prefer happy-ends, but I've got no problem with people dying if hope is symbolized by more than a grandpa telling his grandchild that people went to space once.
What I've seen so far, you could also believe, that this colony is the last place where anyone survived.

But the biggest writing-error ever in those endings:"Destroy+Shepard lives"
Shepard is partially synthetic. Reapers die, EDI dies, the Geth die...given the nice renegade-face, Shepard is technically close to a husk...but Shepard lays on a pile of debris and inhales deeply.

Sure.

I still hope this is some kind of marketing-gag to show us how much better the real endings are or piracy-/leak-protection.

[Elegana]

albertalad wrote...

Elegana wrote...

albertalad wrote...

IF the Citadel is the key then earth has countless nukes. Slap five thermonuclear bombs inside the Citadel and blow that thing to dust. Why the idiot buttons resulting in murdering countless more billions? Why the idiot Christmas tree lights cut scenes to me is the height of laziness bordering on stupidity that will get you bed and lodging in your nearest insane asylum.

No, see, now you're thinking with logic. Space Magic doesn't use logic.

LOL - well then if the Roadrunner can live through countless explosions, make perfect outlines in the earth after falling from out of the coulds - then climb out of that hole - Sheppard rose from the dead so don't kill TIM and just make another Sheppard same as the last Sheppard. Seems better than pick the button and get your favorite Christams color!

It would be interesting if there was a clone of Shepard. It's a good reason to make a ME4. Though, cloning is another cliche. 

[blueruin]

Posting this again for people who are concerned, but not blind and insane with hysteria.



Listen closely.

[XX55XX]

But the biggest writing-error ever in those endings:"Destroy+Shepard lives"
Shepard is partially synthetic. Reapers die, EDI dies, the Geth die...given the nice renegade-face, Shepard is technically close to a husk...but Shepard lays on a pile of debris and inhales deeply.

Precisely. I don't like how everyone simply gets hung to dry without any further explanation of their current state. A straight "cut to the credits" from an incredibly minimalistic cutscene is just lazy.

[GBGriffin]

TekFanX wrote...


I still hope this is some kind of marketing-gag to show us how much better the real endings are or piracy-/leak-protection.

Why the hell, honestly, would bad endings make for an anti-piracy lesson over, say, bugging the gameplay to hell and making it unplayable to begin with? The fact that the bad endings occur at the end of the game means the game is still playable, unlike the Batman bug where, iirc, you eventually get stuck in a room and die.

Teaching everyone a little lesson about Internet piracy/breaking NDAs and generating negative buzz, or poor writing. It really comes down to which of those you believe.

[Huyna]

blueruin wrote...

Posting this again for people who are concerned, but not blind and insane with hysteria.



Listen closely.

Well, if it's trully from "the end" than there is some hope, finally.
And powerfull, strong acting, music, text.

[XX55XX]

blueruin wrote...

Posting this again for people who are concerned, but not blind and insane with hysteria.



Listen closely.

Yeah, but is that during the middle of the game, or the very end? Context matters. 

[Juniper Mucius]

Yeah. DA:O had magnificent choices. I had my elf sacrifice her love with Alistair for the greater good of Ferelden. Used my love to persuade him into making love with Morrigan, and then told him it was over, and that he needed to be king and have his queen. Them, because I slightly financed Zevran, the epilogue had me chasing him around the world. I liked it.

I feel the similar endings, however, were to have a more linear path for future games.

[AdhamS]

blueruin wrote...

Posting this again for people who are concerned, but not blind and insane with hysteria.



Listen closely.

For some reason, this gave me hope that there is a bittersweet ending....................I hope I am right for once