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[Capeo]

CptData wrote...

"Red Hering" regarding the "keep your saves" stuff?

I think people are making too much of the save thing. I forget the exact quote but it was very noncommittal. 

[Poquimo]

Wow...I could have accepted maybe something like ME2 with LOTS of requirements and tasks you need to preform in order to survive and your teammates to survive...but this just sucks. No matter what it is a "bad" end for Shepard and crew.

Man if I wanted THAT much realism I would turn on the news. The idea "some people will love it and some people will hate it" is far too optimistic. Most people are probably going to hate it and few will like it. I'm just crossing my fingers the whole thing is a troll and it's all different.

[Treopod]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Treopod wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Another thing that is worrying me is that the guy who says he played it is insisting it's not possible to get the "best" ending without playing MP or the ios because the max readiness you get from the SP game is not enough.

wtf? if this is true, then the Bioware employes deserve a beating, they straight up lied if that is true, complete bull****.

Okay, who said that?  Because you know he's lying then.  BioWare has stated time and time again that you do not need to play the multi-player or any of the iOS games to get the best possible ending.  The Galaxy at War system is made specifically as an add-on.  You don't need the From Ashes DLC to get the best ending in the game, and I've looked at the "War Assests" spoiler page.  The person who said this is absolutely, 100% trolling you.

okay thats good, thank you 

[ratzerman]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

Yup. That pretty much confirms it. Unbelievable.

[yoshibb]

And I thought destroying mass relays wiped out the system around it. And why are we gathering all this army if we simply have to destroy the relays. And why is the Normandy in the middle of nowhere. And why is the citadel so close... Blarg! None of this makes sense to me.

My only hope is that they are missing something. With the script and the SA players, I know a lot of this must be true but please let there be an ending that people are missing.

[Elegana]

EVani wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

Well, we have our semi happy ending of civilization slowy recovering there. Also it took humans what 30 years to get up to speed with the res of of the galaxy? I feel like humans/shep have done enough impossible things enough that all endings should be possible except defeating the reapers without some dead colonies

It only took them 30 years because after the first contact war, the council accepted humans and humans were able to get the resources and help to catch up. However, it took them 138 years to even find and activate the mass relay. If humans never came in contact with aliens, we still wouldn't be able to have the resources to create what has been created with the help of aliens.

[Juniper Mucius]

glacier1701 wrote...

FTL travel exists - the Reapers have it and so does everyone else. After all how do you go to the other systems that are not directly connected with a Mass Relay? And the FTL is DAMN fast. The Mass Relays are basically LONG RANGE transit systems. So if they do go boom it will mean that travel to other systems will be limited in range but there will still be travel. Might be a couple of hundred years before there is a new Relay system up and running but it wont be doom and gloom as people think if the Reaper Relays are gone.

Problem is fuel.  To make the transit from one stellar cluster to the other would take a tremendous amount of fuel.  If we go off of Mass Effect 2, you can't go very far without having to refuel.  Mass Relays don't cost the ship any fuel, and can get you half-way across the galaxy in what?  30 minutes (depending on how long you take at the beginning of Mass Effect in conversation, the travel between the Local Cluster relay and the Exodus Cluster relay could be 20-30 minutes).

You'd need to build massive ships that hold a ton of fuel.  Without Mass Relay technology, the FTL travel between the Local Cluster and the Serpent Nebula could take decades.  The only way to really make this work without Mass Relay networks, is to have a refueling station in every system.

[Elegana]

ratzerman wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

Yup. That pretty much confirms it. Unbelievable.

No it does not. Stanley started locking other threads pertaining to the endings because this thread became the unofficial official endings discussion thread.

[Juniper Mucius]

ratzerman wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

Yup. That pretty much confirms it. Unbelievable.

No it frelling doesn't.  He closed that thread because it was essentially a duplicate thread to this.  Does anyone around here know what it means to "moderate" forums?  You close duplicate threads so that the entire damn front page isn't filled with ten threads discussing the same frelling topic.  Jesus.

[Prometheus75]

The more I think about this the less enthused I become about playing this game. Hope it isn't something else that I have to pretend doesn't exist like the damn Star Wars prequels.

[scotkrow]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

You want your proof then here it is


The endings are being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.


Bioware's

Stanley Woo

Yup. That pretty much confirms it. Unbelievable.

No it frelling doesn't.  He closed that thread because it was essentially a duplicate thread to this.  Does anyone around here know what it means to "moderate" forums?  You close duplicate threads so that the entire damn front page isn't filled with ten threads discussing the same frelling topic.  Jesus.

Yep.  this is just a place where the topic is the endings, that may or may not be true, and so this one has more traffic, may have been first made, and so it gets to stay and less popular ones that were made later are closed.  It confirms nothing.

[Vyndral]

While I do tend to think they might do something this stupid. I dont tend to think they are that stupid. I mean they have given every indication that they want to continue ME in other games without shep. The endings listed make that near impossible. At least in any future i am interested in. Unless it was thousands and thousands of years in the future.

But i have grown attached to the ME universe as it is. And destroying it all basiclly destroys any connection i have to future games. So they destroy any intrest i have in future games. Sure they could do the whole this all happened in the past. But that is getting so over done.

[Juniper Mucius]

Elegana wrote...

EVani wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

Well, we have our semi happy ending of civilization slowy recovering there. Also it took humans what 30 years to get up to speed with the res of of the galaxy? I feel like humans/shep have done enough impossible things enough that all endings should be possible except defeating the reapers without some dead colonies

It only took them 30 years because after the first contact war, the council accepted humans and humans were able to get the resources and help to catch up. However, it took them 138 years to even find and activate the mass relay. If humans never came in contact with aliens, we still wouldn't be able to have the resources to create what has been created with the help of aliens.

Actually, it was just because we activated Relay 314.  That alerted the turians, which started the war.  Interestingly enough, if "we" didn't go around activating every damn relay we found, we may have progressed fine.  After all, the First Contact War showed that, despite being isolated, we were pretty damn powerful.  We kicked some turian tail.  Of course, they would have utterly destroyed us.  We still made an impact.  Our ships were just as powerful as theirs, and we didn't have the resources they had. 

In fact, humanity might not have had to worry about the Reapers if they didn't touch Relay 314 and never discovered the greater galactic community.  The Reapers wouldn't have known about humanity, or maybe thought they weren't "powerful" enough since they never accessed the Citadel and such.

[Elegana]

Prometheus75 wrote...

The more I think about this the less enthused I become about playing this game. Hope it isn't something else that I have to pretend doesn't exist like the damn Star Wars prequels.

The more I think about this, the more I have hope that the endings may not even be real. I've become so much more concerned about figuring out this whole "he said, she said" mess. There's obviously something odd going on. 

[Elegana]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Elegana wrote...

EVani wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

Well, we have our semi happy ending of civilization slowy recovering there. Also it took humans what 30 years to get up to speed with the res of of the galaxy? I feel like humans/shep have done enough impossible things enough that all endings should be possible except defeating the reapers without some dead colonies

It only took them 30 years because after the first contact war, the council accepted humans and humans were able to get the resources and help to catch up. However, it took them 138 years to even find and activate the mass relay. If humans never came in contact with aliens, we still wouldn't be able to have the resources to create what has been created with the help of aliens.

Actually, it was just because we activated Relay 314.  That alerted the turians, which started the war.  Interestingly enough, if "we" didn't go around activating every damn relay we found, we may have progressed fine.  After all, the First Contact War showed that, despite being isolated, we were pretty damn powerful.  We kicked some turian tail.  Of course, they would have utterly destroyed us.  We still made an impact.  Our ships were just as powerful as theirs, and we didn't have the resources they had. 

In fact, humanity might not have had to worry about the Reapers if they didn't touch Relay 314 and never discovered the greater galactic community.  The Reapers wouldn't have known about humanity, or maybe thought they weren't "powerful" enough since they never accessed the Citadel and such.

Ahh, good point. I forgot about how powerful we were against the turians.

[scotkrow]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

Elegana wrote...

EVani wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

EVani wrote...

Umm....no mass relay technology? All mass relays destroyed? Why don't they just study from the conduit/rumored prothean squadmate? Also why is Shepard separated from the rest of his crew+LI There better be some happy ending darn it. At the very least, let the man form his own tribe and live happily ever after while the galaxy goes back a few thousand years.

It took the protheans awhile to build the Conduit.  Establishing a Mass Relay system would take forever.  Mainly because the Mass Relays need to be interconnected.  Sure, they could rebuild the system with new relays, but it would still take them hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years to do.

Well, we have our semi happy ending of civilization slowy recovering there. Also it took humans what 30 years to get up to speed with the res of of the galaxy? I feel like humans/shep have done enough impossible things enough that all endings should be possible except defeating the reapers without some dead colonies

It only took them 30 years because after the first contact war, the council accepted humans and humans were able to get the resources and help to catch up. However, it took them 138 years to even find and activate the mass relay. If humans never came in contact with aliens, we still wouldn't be able to have the resources to create what has been created with the help of aliens.

Actually, it was just because we activated Relay 314.  That alerted the turians, which started the war.  Interestingly enough, if "we" didn't go around activating every damn relay we found, we may have progressed fine.  After all, the First Contact War showed that, despite being isolated, we were pretty damn powerful.  We kicked some turian tail.  Of course, they would have utterly destroyed us.  We still made an impact.  Our ships were just as powerful as theirs, and we didn't have the resources they had. 

In fact, humanity might not have had to worry about the Reapers if they didn't touch Relay 314 and never discovered the greater galactic community.  The Reapers wouldn't have known about humanity, or maybe thought they weren't "powerful" enough since they never accessed the Citadel and such.

No cause the reapers activiate all relas and wope out any organic life with civilazation.

[scotkrow]

Elegana wrote...

Prometheus75 wrote...

The more I think about this the less enthused I become about playing this game. Hope it isn't something else that I have to pretend doesn't exist like the damn Star Wars prequels.

The more I think about this, the more I have hope that the endings may not even be real. I've become so much more concerned about figuring out this whole "he said, she said" mess. There's obviously something odd going on. 

It just all smells fishy.

[WvStolzing]

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Modifié par WvStolzing, 29 février 2012 - 12:10 .

[ratzerman]

The Free Jaffa wrote...

No it frelling doesn't.  He closed that thread because it was essentially a duplicate thread to this.  Does anyone around here know what it means to "moderate" forums?  You close duplicate threads so that the entire damn front page isn't filled with ten threads discussing the same frelling topic.  Jesus.

Sorry if I'm reading too much into what Stanley wrote, but he said "the endings." 

Not the supposed ending, or the alleged endings, or the possible ending. THE endings.

[LordJeyl]

This.... will get messy....

[panamakira]

You know I read most of the ending spoilers this morning. I was feeling really down about it like a true drama queen. My sister is like "Why did you read them then!?" But now that I feel much more resigned to Shep's fate, I feel like it's better that I prepared for the worst now.

If I had to go through this while having just finished the game it probably would have been funny to watch me. I'm disappointed still at the possibility that all endings are sort of depressing but I have come to terms with it.

The only downside to ME3 would be the replay value. I won't be able to touch the series after I finish the first playthrough or go through all endings for a really long time. Just knowing what could be the end for Shep, I don't know. I was prepared for a bittersweet ending but none of the endings I've read so far offer that.


I'll be playing on Multiplayer for a long time though. It's addicting. I'll be an Asari or something. I will stay away from Human Female Infiltrators!!!! LMAO~

[Fooxie]

Eh. I can just write my own damn happy ending if I can't get one in-game.

[milominderbinder]

scotkrow wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

 I just want to point out something here...

You were never entitled to the ending you wanted - ever. Complaining that you're not getting the ending you want is self-entitlement in its worst form.

You were sold on the idea of choice and consequence. There ARE conequences to the choices you made - not all of them, especially ones of struggles on such a grand scale, are ever going to turn out exactly the way you want.

This "But it's fantasy,  I deserve to get my happy ending because real life sucks and I can't get any gratification there." is a red herring. Bioware is not responsible for your life, or the fact that you can't seem to be happy with the real world. What they are responsible for is creating an engaging piece of fiction. And the fact that the leaked endings is causing such an uproar tells me personally that victory is accomplished. It's about damned time an RPG or any game created endings that weren't always "Best ending = Good Guys win and everyone celibrates." I haven't had such a satasfying concept for endings since Drakkenguard 1. (For those that don't know, the FIRST ending was Canon ending, and it was sad. And the rest of the 'unlocked' endings got progressively more twisted and warped, right down to canibalistic babies with teeth eating people and a twisted game of Simon with a giant nude woman in the streets of Tokyo. It was the virtual opposite of the typical "work for your best ending" trope.)

You're not entitled to squat. Not all fiction has to end happily, not all fiction SHOULD end happily. I'm glad that this ending keeps the gravity of the situation in mind, and understand that sometimes, real, hard sacrafices are needed to win, or even to just survive.

Seriously the only thing that could make this better for me is if Bioware comes out with the 'ending you wanted' DLC and forces you to pay for it. I'll take the endings as is and enjoy them, because these tears are just delicious.

As paying customers, people have every right to criticise the product they are buying, and the story is no exception. If people are not satisfied with the story, in particular the ending then they have every right to complain.

Besides, the "All fiction must be gridmark and have a sad ending" Is just as bad as "All fiction must have a happy rainbows and sunshine ending". And besides, in a game where the whole focus is to work hard to gain your happy ending, with galactic readiness and all that, having no happy ending ruins the point. If all endings are depressing then theres no point in bothering to do side missions or play the apps/multiplayer, becuase I'll get a forced bad ending anyway.

It also kills replayability, becuase why would people play the game all the way through again just to get another lost cause ending of unhappiness? No variety whatsoever, unlike other games with branching story lines that have endings ranging from depressing, to bittersweet, to relatively good. Take Dragon Age:Origins for example. If every ending had you beat the archdemon but your companions all died/got stranded miles away from Ferelden it would have ruined to point of playing through again and making different choices, having different LI's and everything, becuase it would all essentially end the same way. 

When is Hyrist saying all fiction needs to have a sad ending, they're just saying having it every now and then is a refreshing and daring change from the norm.

The thing is, happy endings are NOT the norm anymore.
The times of Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings are long gone.
When did it start? Around 2001 or so when people (rightfully) demanded more realism and gritiness in their daily entertainment. But now this seems to have become the new norm and the balance is off again.
A game such as Mass Effect with all its choices would've had the chance to cover the entire array of possible endings, one for every kind of personal preference. This is alot to demand but it would've been great.

[scotkrow]

ratzerman wrote...

The Free Jaffa wrote...

No it frelling doesn't.  He closed that thread because it was essentially a duplicate thread to this.  Does anyone around here know what it means to "moderate" forums?  You close duplicate threads so that the entire damn front page isn't filled with ten threads discussing the same frelling topic.  Jesus.

Sorry if I'm reading too much into what Stanley wrote, but he said "the endings." 

Not the supposed ending, or the alleged endings, or the possible ending. THE endings.

Yeah but that doesn't mean it's all the endings.  Or 100% accurate endings.