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[BigglesFlysAgain]

GroverA125 wrote...


*Heavy german impression* "He vill be executed at dawn, along vit ze rest of zem for zeir betrayal." *End of impression*

I have a feeling that things will go downhill for them in the future, I firmly feel that if we aren't burning him alive right now, then EA will be, if theory is to be believed, he is a major factor in Bioware's shambolic ending, and as such, it would seem that he has cost EA a fair bit of money in the long haul, enough that I personally would consider outing him, as I believe that in metaphorical terms, the community will cry less for war if he is removed from his seat and hung from a tree for them. (if that sounds agressive, it's the best description/example I can come up with. Blame genetics and Autism Spectrum Disorder for that one)

Seeing him be removed would put a fair few of the offended at ease, I can be sure, of my college group who have played the endings, I am the only one who doesn't want his head. If it truly was just him and Walters sat in a darkened room who made this ending, I would hold nothing against EA were they to fire them and humiliate them openly. Frankly, even if there were others involved, I would still be against them for allowing it to pass. Considering that the end is one of the most vital parts of a game, I can't see tham looking at what the had given and saying "yup, they'll love it", without the participation of some form of alcohol or intoxicants being involved, unless they rushed it out the gate.

There would an outpouring of sympathy, and lots of "I hated the ending but I did not want to get a guy fired" ect, and besides its unfair to blame just one man for the ending... Though it makes things easier lol


I am glad he posts nothing on twitter, I am sick of twitter, I am tired of hearing about every time JM takes a number 2 and posts it for all to see, I am tired of CPs "sarcasm", I can't wait to delete my account as soon as I  see the EC... its a required evil for now...

[Jorrkit]

I just.... why did they have to do this? I get that the developers wanted to make something memorable, something that would be thought-provoking. They wanted something substantial, something that wasn't cookie-cutter or predictable. I get it. But it's a video game. It was supposed to be MY story. Why did they have to do this? Why couldn't they just let me end things the way I wanted? It would've been okay. Maybe I wanted to retire from adventuring to live on a farm with Miranda, and maybe it wouldn't have been the most profound, artistic way to end the series, but you know what, gosh darnit, it's what I wanted. Or failing that, could I at least know what the heck happened?

It's been months and I still can't wrap my head around it. Was this really necessary? Did they really just have to ruin my day so thoroughly? I'm not particularly happy with my life. I work 60 hours a week for almost no money, I have a college degree in English that has been almost completely worthless to this point, I have few friends, no woman in my life, and dang it, this game series was one of the things that made me happy, and they just had to change it from a source of enjoyment to a source of misery. Thanks so very frigging much. Bah.

Sorry for the rant. I'm in a bad mood.

[Kyria Nyriese]

sagevallant wrote...
Hudson-Watch: Casey Hudson's twitter hasn't updated for over two whole months now. I'm starting to wonder if EA captured him and took him in for "Re-Education."

Personally I am of the opinion that the PR department has told him to stay as far away from saying anything as is humanly possible.

[sagevallant]

Jorrkit wrote...

I just.... why did they have to do this? I get that the developers wanted to make something memorable, something that would be thought-provoking. They wanted something substantial, something that wasn't cookie-cutter or predictable. I get it. But it's a video game. It was supposed to be MY story. Why did they have to do this? Why couldn't they just let me end things the way I wanted? It would've been okay. Maybe I wanted to retire from adventuring to live on a farm with Miranda, and maybe it wouldn't have been the most profound, artistic way to end the series, but you know what, gosh darnit, it's what I wanted. Or failing that, could I at least know what the heck happened?

It's been months and I still can't wrap my head around it. Was this really necessary? Did they really just have to ruin my day so thoroughly? I'm not particularly happy with my life. I work 60 hours a week for almost no money, I have a college degree in English that has been almost completely worthless to this point, I have few friends, no woman in my life, and dang it, this game series was one of the things that made me happy, and they just had to change it from a source of enjoyment to a source of misery. Thanks so very frigging much. Bah.

Sorry for the rant. I'm in a bad mood.

I continue to believe that they planned an Asura's Wrath, and the last DLC for the game was going to be the REAL ENDING. Probably because EA never suspected that the outcry would be so loud furious.

Because they know nothing of games. They do not PLAY. I think that their only concept of "fun" is stealing another $5 from each and every person that dares to buy one of their games. Like Capcom.

[Jorrkit]

sagevallant wrote...

I continue to believe that they planned an Asura's Wrath, and the last DLC for the game was going to be the REAL ENDING. Probably because EA never suspected that the outcry would be so loud furious.

Because they know nothing of games. They do not PLAY. I think that their only concept of "fun" is stealing another $5 from each and every person that dares to buy one of their games. Like Capcom.

I can't believe that they would do that. That seems like it would've been a really dumb idea, and surely someone important would've vetoed it.

[Darth Garrus]

Jorrkit wrote...

I just.... why did they have to do this? I get that the developers wanted to make something memorable, something that would be thought-provoking. They wanted something substantial, something that wasn't cookie-cutter or predictable. I get it. But it's a video game. It was supposed to be MY story. Why did they have to do this? Why couldn't they just let me end things the way I wanted? It would've been okay. Maybe I wanted to retire from adventuring to live on a farm with Miranda, and maybe it wouldn't have been the most profound, artistic way to end the series, but you know what, gosh darnit, it's what I wanted. Or failing that, could I at least know what the heck happened?

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Let's not forget. BW didn't create that ending, or wanted somthing from it. They copied "Deus Ex" ends, ipsis literis, when they ran out of time to make an ending on their on. And that's when Mr. Hudson made that decision. In the BW authorized "The Final Hours" you get the perfect description of the situation, when Mr. Walters, the lead writer, says that after they "decided" about the ending (decided to copy it), he came with a number of changes, or options, and Mr. Hudson decided against them, to "simplify it". This means: they decided to copy the ending. The writers came with more options, maybe to adapt the ending in ways that would be so "in your face" that that is just a copied ending. But Mr. Hudson said: "no, just run with the same ending and we are done".

Maybe he thought no one would notice...

Then again, I think that's just ego. The old story: "they will aplaud whatever we put on it. I have the Midas touch". But didn't work.

[Lestatman]

Jorrkit wrote...

sagevallant wrote...

I continue to believe that they planned an Asura's Wrath, and the last DLC for the game was going to be the REAL ENDING. Probably because EA never suspected that the outcry would be so loud furious.

Because they know nothing of games. They do not PLAY. I think that their only concept of "fun" is stealing another $5 from each and every person that dares to buy one of their games. Like Capcom.

I can't believe that they would do that. That seems like it would've been a really dumb idea, and surely someone important would've vetoed it.

I can't believe that also.  I spoke to a couple of ppl who haven't played any of the other ME titles and from their eyes the ending is open to another game afterwards i.e. ME4.  I did explain to them that Shepards tale is a trilogy but that was the impression they got when the completed it.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Jorrkit wrote...
I can't believe that they would do that. That seems like it would've been a really dumb idea, and surely someone important would've vetoed it.

I still can't believe that ending came out of Bioware... so you never know at this point, anything is possible.

[Alanosborn1991]

Anyone else not returning to play ME3 until they fix this lame excuse for an ending?

Right now its Witcher 2, Halo Reach, Diablo 3, Resident Evil ORC keeping ME3s sour taste out of my mouth.

How is everyone else killing time?

[Darth Garrus]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Jorrkit wrote...
I can't believe that they would do that. That seems like it would've been a really dumb idea, and surely someone important would've vetoed it.

I still can't believe that ending came out of Bioware... so you never know at this point, anything is possible.

It didn't. It was copied from "Deus ex". Ipsis literis. Same choices, same thing. But something that made sense on that game doesn't make sense at all in ME. Watch it on youtube. It's beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's the same ending. It's not an accusation. It's a fact. It's the same thing!

[Darth Garrus]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Anyone else not returning to play ME3 until they fix this lame excuse for an ending?

Right now its Witcher 2, Halo Reach, Diablo 3, Resident Evil ORC keeping ME3s sour taste out of my mouth.

How is everyone else killing time?

I've been unable to play games since ME3. Especially rpgs, my favorite ones. So, our friends in this forum sggested the "Portal' franchise. Boy, it worked. I had lots of fun with those games, and maybe I will be able to play other games now. But no luck so far. And can't even look at the ME icons in my desktop.

[Jorrkit]

I played Deus Ex, too. I had the same reaction when I saw it. But I know they put more thought into it than that. Think about what you're saying. Do you really think that the people who worked so hard, for years, on such a monumental piece of work as the Mass Effect trilogy would be so flippant about ending it?

Like I said, the ending made me really, really grumpy, too. But let's be reasonable here. I think it's perfectly logical to conclude that the developers were influenced by Human Revolution's ending, as the similarities in style and execution are easy to see. However, to leap from that observation to the assertion that they just copied it and hoped no one would notice is quite extreme.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Darth Suetam wrote...
It didn't. It was copied from "Deus ex". Ipsis literis. Same choices, same thing. But something that made sense on that game doesn't make sense at all in ME. Watch it on youtube. It's beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's the same ending. It's not an accusation. It's a fact. It's the same thing!

I understand that, however, it is still something I would not have expected before this, so my point remains that after that I would not be surprised by anything Bioware does.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...


I still can't believe that ending came out of Bioware... so you never know at this point, anything is possible.

Any company is only as good as their last product, and there is no such thing as heritige, its just the group of people working on somthing at a set period of time, with certain constraints, and its hard to replicate these factors again for future products...

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 22 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[Rashala]

after 4000+ pages I thin its safe to say teh universal Answer for this is....


NO,   Bioware basically lied to us our actions matter not only thier "Artistic vision" matters   And we cannot have a Happy/Doomed/Middle  Ending that we want

[Darth Garrus]

Jorrkit wrote...

I played Deus Ex, too. I had the same reaction when I saw it. But I know they put more thought into it than that. Think about what you're saying. Do you really think that the people who worked so hard, for years, on such a monumental piece of work as the Mass Effect trilogy would be so flippant about ending it?

Like I said, the ending made me really, really grumpy, too. But let's be reasonable here. I think it's perfectly logical to conclude that the developers were influenced by Human Revolution's ending, as the similarities in style and execution are easy to see. However, to leap from that observation to the assertion that they just copied it and hoped no one would notice is quite extreme.

It's not something made litghly. The answer is on the BW authorized "The Final Hours". They commented on it. They said that they didn't have a game (and franchise) finale up until the end of the production cycle. So they had to come up with something quickly. And even with that, Mr. Hudson decided to cut a lot of "changes" and possibilities to "simplify" it.

Let's not be afraid of being clear here. They had the smallest schedule of all games, to make the biggest game of all the franchise. It was impossible. And we also know that EA keeps deadlines tight, and don't accept to go over them. It happened before, on DA2. Sadly, it happened again in ME3. So they had no option.

It was something made out of desperation. I get it. But what I don't get is why deny it? Why didn't they realize it was better to come clean and promise to make up for it to the fans???

Why don't redo it and substitute a provisional ending? Surely the reason is budgetary. I understand this. But weighing down all the possibilities would show that pleasing the fans, and not trying to sweep the facts under the rug would be the best option.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Darth Suetam wrote...




Why don't redo it and substitute a provisional ending? Surely the reason is budgetary. I understand this. But weighing down all the possibilities would show that pleasing the fans, and not trying to sweep the facts under the rug would be the best option.

Yes but that ignores your earlier point of EA being in total control of them, so the can't say anything they like on the matter...

[Darth Garrus]

And wooops... http://www.forbes.co...t-with-layoffs/

Is that the "abandon ship" call???

[sonsonthebia07]

I think this thread has enough outrage in it already, but I just wanted to post in it because of the size.

I was unsatisfied with the ending as well. I need some more Harbinger - some kind of cyborg TIM/Harbinger hybrid firin' his laserz at my head or something. The choices at the end were all "well, ****, I guess no matter what I do, I bone the entire galaxy" and stuff. There's my in-depth analysis.

I still love the game though. I just cover my eyes and get through the ending as fast as I can.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Darth Suetam wrote...

And wooops... http://www.forbes.co...t-with-layoffs/

Is that the "abandon ship" call???

There was nothing wrong with swtor, it just was to much like wow, they are firing the wrong people...

[Ender99]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Anyone else not returning to play ME3 until they fix this lame excuse for an ending?

Right now its Witcher 2, Halo Reach, Diablo 3, Resident Evil ORC keeping ME3s sour taste out of my mouth.

How is everyone else killing time?

Still haven't played ME3 since March 10th, which is when I first reached the ending. Well, unless you count that "turn it on/turn it off" thing that went on, and even then I only turned it on and walked away while it ran in the background.

I haven't really been playing games since then. I just haven't been in the "gaming mood" since I hit that ending. Residual effect? 

The positive side of this is, since I haven't been playing games, I took that extra time and signed up for an online class teacing C++.  It was either that, or start hunting down children who reminded me of Spacebrat. XD

[Kyria Nyriese]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Darth Suetam wrote...
And wooops... http://www.forbes.co...t-with-layoffs/

Is that the "abandon ship" call???

There was nothing wrong with swtor, it just was to much like wow, they are firing the wrong people...

OK I like SWTOR, it's Star Wars so I'm sold.  However, a lot of people really wanted SWG 2.0 instead of a WoW clone.  Or at least a sandbox MMO instead of a Themepark MMO.

That said, Bioware/EA wanted something that would appeal to as broad a base as possible (sound familiar anyone?) so we got SWTOR.  Now I'm not that picky, I like sandbox MMOs, and I like Themepark MMOs, I think I like Themepark MMOs better.  It's all a matter of what you like. 

In all honesty, while  a lot of people will try out the new MMO because they like MMOs, a Star Wars themed MMO is going to attract mainly the Star Wars fans, so gearing it more toward them might have been a better solution. 

That's my 2 credits take on it anyway

[B.Shep]

Darth Suetam wrote...

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Anyone else not returning to play ME3 until they fix this lame excuse for an ending?

Right now its Witcher 2, Halo Reach, Diablo 3, Resident Evil ORC keeping ME3s sour taste out of my mouth.

How is everyone else killing time?

I've been unable to play games since ME3. Especially rpgs, my favorite ones. So, our friends in this forum sggested the "Portal' franchise. Boy, it worked. I had lots of fun with those games, and maybe I will be able to play other games now. But no luck so far. And can't even look at the ME icons in my desktop.

I am playing Diablo III  and Starcraft II, both games are fun

Sometimes i play the ME3 co-op with some friends, but no more SP for me until i see the EC

Modifié par B.Shep, 22 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[ld1449]

Hey guys I heard from a friend there were some new tweets from Chris. Don't know if its true but could someone check? I am completely twitter illiterate

[Major Swift]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Anyone else not returning to play ME3 until they fix this lame excuse for an ending?

Right now its Witcher 2, Halo Reach, Diablo 3, Resident Evil ORC keeping ME3s sour taste out of my mouth.

How is everyone else killing time?

Diablo 2 and 3 (killed Baal just now in 2, just wanted to go back to it for a bit, am now currently playing my monk in D3) Witcher 2, old games I havent played in awhile, getting dragged back into the fiery hell that is EQ by my brother lol, and writing but there hasn't been much of that going on lately because I'm taking a longer break this time before I start chapter 4 of my fic (probably on Saturday or Sunday ill start it)