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[Ksandor]

evisneffo wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

I was thinking the same then I read the quote: "How do you know the Catalyst was telling the truth?" And that changed my idea. I do not know "the magical happy party time solution." Buf if Catalyst lied... Could you explain that to me? What is the magical happy party time solution? And how do you tie it to the Catalyst's lies?

I think we may have some wires crossed here. The "magical happy party time solution" is how a poster here describes what the Destroy option is seemingly going to become in the DLC. The Catalyst told us that EDI and the geth would be destroyed along with the Reapers if you chose that solution, right? That obviously put a lot of people off that ending even if it's the only one where Shepard has the potential to survive.

Now, of course, we're hearing "how do you know the Catalyst was telling the truth?"

Which I take to mean, "don't worry! EDI and the geth can survive the Destroy ending because the Catalyst was lying about that part. So Shepard can survive, EDI and the geth can survive and everyone's happy! Woot!"

They've said they're not adding new endings, so what it looks like they're doing is removing the consequences from the Destroy ending by saying they were lies, and trying to give us a "happy" ending that way. Does that make sense?


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Atrocity wrote...

I'm so glad I only go back and forth between this thread and MP section. It saves me from IT.

Venturing outside this thread was a moment of stupidity. It won't happen again.

Well if Destroy ending will be the only ending, and if EDI and Anderson and Geth and Shepard can survive with high scores I am OK with it. Though I still do not want Normandy to get stranded or relays destroyed. Anyway if this is not changing the ending I don't know what will.

[Tonymac]

Good morning peoples. How are we doing? How is the line?

[CJMissen]

I'm still here... don't quite know why. I'm still just as outraged but feel like Bioware has listened... and ignored.

clarity and even more closure with the EC... not quite sure what 'closure' was there to begin with.

certainly disheatened and playing just about ANYTHING but ME3. the ending doesn't even age well.

But... I'm holding.

[g_bassi13]

Laterali wrote...

GAH! It's amazing that the ending can still send me to the angry dome....

I think Bioware prefers you stay in their sanctioned Chamber of Understanding

Atrocity wrote...

I'm so glad I only go back and forth between this thread and MP section. It saves me from IT.

For the last little while I've been coming directly into this thread. Out of curiosity I went out there to see what was up. Ended up running back here, lol.

evisneffo wrote...

You'll find a few people here who agree with that notion. Keeping the existing ending(s) doesn't give them a lot of wiggle room to come up with something that the players are going to like, and so this solution here is to retcon the ending with the fewest consequences into, as g_bassi calls it, the magical happy party time solution.

 
Wasn't sure that would catch on with anyone, but I like that it has, lol.

evisneffo wrote...

I think we may have some wires crossed here.  The "magical happy party time solution" is how a poster here describes what the Destroy option is seemingly going to become in the DLC. The Catalyst told us that EDI and the geth would be destroyed along with the Reapers if you chose that solution, right? That obviously put a lot of people off that ending even if it's the only one where Shepard has the potential to survive.

Now, of course, we're hearing "how do you know the Catalyst was telling the truth?"

Which I take to mean, "don't worry! EDI and the geth can survive the Destroy ending because the Catalyst was lying about that part. So Shepard can survive, EDI and the geth can survive and everyone's happy! Woot!"

They've said they're not adding new endings, so what it looks like they're doing is removing the consequences from the Destroy ending by saying they were lies, and trying to give us a "happy" ending that way. Does that make sense?

Essentially this, with also the mention that the relays could be repaired, and that Shepard could reuinte with the crew again.

That whole  "how do you know the Catalyst was telling the truth?" angle would suck, for reasons covered by you and Laterali.

Ksandor wrote...

Well if Destroy ending will be the only ending, and if EDI and Anderson and Geth and Shepard can survive with high scores I am OK with it. Though I still do not want Normandy to get stranded or relays destroyed. Anyway if this is not changing the ending I don't know what will.

 
Fair enough. The reason I think that Bioware could do that is because there could be enough people that feel this way and by resolving the issue of a happy ending, the problem might go away.

But it doesn't appear that anything will be stopping the relays from exploding, or the Normandy crashing. Just that they might get around these problems if they decide that everyone including Shepard survives and the relays can somehow be rebuilt. Would be just to get in a stupid reunion scene with Shepard and the crew.

There's many ways they could go about trying to appease people without fixing the real damn issue in the ending:

- They could change the cutscene following indivual choices to try to appease those that were only complaining that it's different colour shades of the same sequence.
- They could spend time patchworking and making up explanations for the plotholes they didn't realize were there the first time, for those that are bothered by those (like having the Normandy being issued an order to evacuate to explain why it runs away, while showing it picking up your squad that was with you a second ago)
- They could go with the earlier mentioned Magic Party Happy Time solution where they just eliminate the consequences from the destroy ending, expand the breathing sequence, and give you that arbitrary reunion and other crap, for people who were just looking for that happy ending.
- There's those that are so bothered by the lack of logic with the catalyst, that they could add a line or two of dialogue where they let you mention that you achieved peace between the Geth and the Quarians, before they make you pick one of the three stupid endings anyways.
- They will definitely extend the ending for those that complained it was just too abrupt in general.

Like I said, those fix jack all, even if you combine them all together. The reason I hate all this is becuase all sense of satisfaction remains missing, even if you get the Magic Party Happy Time ending. It's all the same crap. I would say the ending gets even worse with that scenario.

They need to actually "change" the ending before they can fix it. With them having told us that they aren't, I can't see how they're really fixing anything. They could get away with half asseed patchwork, but I don't even directly care at this point. Mass Effect is pretty much lost.

Modifié par g_bassi13, 25 mai 2012 - 12:33 .

[Astralify]

g_bassi13 wrote...

There's many ways they could go about trying to appease people without fixing the real damn issue in the ending:

- They could change the cutscene following indivual choices to try to appease those that were only complaining that it's different colour shades of the same sequence.
- They could spend time patchworking and making up explanations for the plotholes they didn't realize were there the first time, for those that are bothered by those (like having the Normandy being issued an order to evacuate to explain why it runs away, while showing it picking up your squad that was with you a second ago)
- They could go with the earlier mentioned Magic Party Happy Time solution where they just eliminate the consequences from the destroy ending, expand the breathing sequence, and give you that arbitrary reunion and other crap, for people who were just looking for that happy ending.
- There's those that are so bothered by the lack of logic with the catalyst, that they could add a line or two of dialogue where they let you mention that you achieved peace between the Geth and the Quarians, before they make you pick one of the three stupid endings anyways.
- They will definitely extend the ending for those that complained it was just too abrupt in general.

Like I said, those fix jack all, even if you combine them all together. The reason I hate all this is becuase all sense of satisfaction remains missing, even if you get the Magic Party Happy Time ending. It's all the same crap. I would say the ending gets even worse with that scenario.

They need to actually "change" the ending before they can fix it. With them having told us that they aren't, I can't see how they're really fixing anything. They could get away with half asseed patchwork, but I don't even directly care at this point. Mass Effect is pretty much lost.

I have the strange feeling that this might be exactly what this EC will be. Maybe with option for Shepard to be killed by Marauder Shields which will lead to a few extra cinematics showing the reapers win. So all of us who hate the ending will have the opportunity to be killed before the f***ing ending. LOL

So umm....... FUСK!
 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Astralify wrote...

I have the strange feeling that this might be exactly what this EC will be. Maybe with option for Shepard to be killed by Marauder Shields which will lead to a few extra cinematics showing the reapers win. So all of us who hate the ending will have the opportunity to be killed before the f***ing ending. LOL

So umm....... FUСK!
 

Let's hope not, I felt Reapers already had a win option with Synthesis. I'm going to hold out a bit of hope that the Catalyst was merely stating you had the option of destroying the Geth and other synthetics if you wanted to went you destroyed the Reapers, not that it actually had to happen.

Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

[Astralify]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Astralify wrote...

I have the strange feeling that this might be exactly what this EC will be. Maybe with option for Shepard to be killed by Marauder Shields which will lead to a few extra cinematics showing the reapers win. So all of us who hate the ending will have the opportunity to be killed before the f***ing ending. LOL

So umm....... FUСK!
 

Let's hope not, I felt Reapers already had a win option with Synthesis. I'm going to hold out a bit of hope that the Catalyst was merely stating you had the option of destroying the Geth and other synthetics if you wanted to went you destroyed the Reapers, not that it actually had to happen.

Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

Well, all we can do at this moment is speculating... What I really want to see is the indoctrination theory. And an epic battle for Earth, with all the war assets participating in it. And a final boss battle with harbinger and a dialogue with the reapers explaining their motives in a way that makes sence...

Oh sh!t... I better start preparing for a dissapointment and new SH!TSTORM. LOL

[g_bassi13]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Let's hope not, I felt Reapers already had a win option with Synthesis. I'm going to hold out a bit of hope that the Catalyst was merely stating you had the option of destroying the Geth and other synthetics if you wanted to went you destroyed the Reapers, not that it actually had to happen.

Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

I think odds are you won't be disappointed, if that's all you're looking for. Though like said in my post above, I really hope they don't go with the whole "The Catalyst was lying" spin. But it's something that was hinted at.

I would prefer Shepard rather get that shot to the head from Maurader Shields if that is the BS that we're going to get.

[Laterali]

Nharia1 wrote...


My problem with Metro 2033 was that it wasn't really meant as a console game, so it was rather hard to do much of anything it... however while I wasn't becoming completely frustrated with the game for its lack of console compatabilty, I rather enjoyed myself.

I can see how it wouldn't have been optimized for a console very well. They did a poor job optimizing it for pc too. Unless you had a computer from the future, you weren't maxing out the graphics. I have a pretty decent machine now, and I can still only get around 15fps in the ****-Communist station if I try maxing it out.

They have promised to better optimize Last Light though.

Ksandor wrote...

Well if Destroy ending will be the only
ending, and if EDI and Anderson and Geth and Shepard can survive with
high scores I am OK with it. Though I still do not want Normandy to get
stranded or relays destroyed. Anyway if this is not changing the ending I
don't know what will.

I'm hoping with as much time as they're spending on this, it'll actually be substantial. They could have "clarified" the ending basically without any voice actors. They could have had Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, and the kid who voiced the Star Baby come back and they could have knocked something out.

When i heard about several voice actors returning, I actually got optimistic. I'm sure it will pass.

If they do decide just to tack on  a happy ending, at least it will give people a different option then " What is your favorite color?"

[GreyLycanTrope]

g_bassi13 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Let's hope not, I felt Reapers already had a win option with Synthesis. I'm going to hold out a bit of hope that the Catalyst was merely stating you had the option of destroying the Geth and other synthetics if you wanted to went you destroyed the Reapers, not that it actually had to happen.

Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

I think odds are you won't be disappointed, if that's all you're looking for. Though like said in my post above, I really hope they don't go with the whole "The Catalyst was lying" spin. But it's something that was hinted at.

I would prefer Shepard rather get that shot to the head from Maurader Shields if that is the BS that we're going to get.

It's by no means all I want, I've just lowered the bar of my expectations at this point. This something that might actually happen based of the hints they've fed us via twitter.

Not a great tagline for the series by any standard "Mass Effect: Lower Your Expectations"

[evisneffo]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Not a great tagline for the series by any standard "Mass Effect: Lower Your Expectations"

That is depressing.

"Mass Effect: Acceptable"

"Mass Effect: I Guess This Will Have To Do"

"Mass Effect: Now Will You Stop Complaining?"

"Mass Effect: It Could Be Worse, Or Could It"

[Fallenfromthesky]

evisneffo wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Not a great tagline for the series by any standard "Mass Effect: Lower Your Expectations"

That is depressing.

"Mass Effect: Acceptable"

"Mass Effect: I Guess This Will Have To Do"

"Mass Effect: Now Will You Stop Complaining?"

"Mass Effect: It Could Be Worse, Or Could It"

Could be worse at least we didn't get the Mass Effect MMO: Flogging a dead horse

Edit: Further "could be worse" at least EA aren't cutting my broadband speed like BT are.

Modifié par Fallenfromthesky, 25 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[Laterali]

I just watched a Witcher 2 developer video. It was by a level designer talking about the new features in the game. He shows side by side comparisons of the visuals depending on the choices you make throughout the game. At one point he says, "The differences aren't just changing one color."

I had to do a double take. Did they just smack talk BioWare? Cause it'd be pretty funny if that was the intent.

[Phoenix NL]

Laterali wrote...

I just watched a Witcher 2 developer video. It was by a level designer talking about the new features in the game. He shows side by side comparisons of the visuals depending on the choices you make throughout the game. At one point he says, "The differences aren't just changing one color."

I had to do a double take. Did they just smack talk BioWare? Cause it'd be pretty funny if that was the intent.

Hahaha I'm sticking with that was the intent! Give that man a cupcake!

[Headcount]

Laterali wrote...

I just watched a Witcher 2 developer video. It was by a level designer talking about the new features in the game. He shows side by side comparisons of the visuals depending on the choices you make throughout the game. At one point he says, "The differences aren't just changing one color."

I had to do a double take. Did they just smack talk BioWare? Cause it'd be pretty funny if that was the intent.

You should watch the developers video for the Walking Dead game. I don't know how many times he said 'choices and consequences' in how your actions will affect you do the road.  It got to the point that I think he was trying to say was we won't pull a ME3 on you.

Modifié par Headcount, 25 mai 2012 - 02:31 .

[g_bassi13]

Greylycantrope wrote...

g_bassi13 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Let's hope not, I felt Reapers already had a win option with Synthesis. I'm going to hold out a bit of hope that the Catalyst was merely stating you had the option of destroying the Geth and other synthetics if you wanted to went you destroyed the Reapers, not that it actually had to happen.

Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

I think odds are you won't be disappointed, if that's all you're looking for. Though like said in my post above, I really hope they don't go with the whole "The Catalyst was lying" spin. But it's something that was hinted at.

I would prefer Shepard rather get that shot to the head from Maurader Shields if that is the BS that we're going to get.

It's by no means all I want, I've just lowered the bar of my expectations at this point. This something that might actually happen based of the hints they've fed us via twitter.

Not a great tagline for the series by any standard "Mass Effect: Lower Your Expectations"

I get that. But personally I'd rather stop caring altogether before I lower my expectations like that. But I approve of the tagline. If you run ME3 side by side with the Witcher 2, that motto certainly fits.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Could be worse at least we didn't get the Mass Effect MMO: Flogging a dead horse

That remains to be seen. Unless I missed the part where they said there would be no MMO.

That was the intent, this wasn't the first time CD Projekt RED has taken shots at BioWare during the course of the ending fiasco. A few interview with Angry Joe also has a few jabs. Blizzard did too on with their April Fools joke.

Which makes me sad. I liked BioWare, I don't want them to be mocked so easily but they did kinda earn it. Alright I'm done being depressing

[sagevallant]

Phoenix NL wrote...

Laterali wrote...

I just watched a Witcher 2 developer video. It was by a level designer talking about the new features in the game. He shows side by side comparisons of the visuals depending on the choices you make throughout the game. At one point he says, "The differences aren't just changing one color."

I had to do a double take. Did they just smack talk BioWare? Cause it'd be pretty funny if that was the intent.

Hahaha I'm sticking with that was the intent! Give that man a cupcake!

He makes the comment when asked about the endings. It was a poke at ME3.

[Laterali]

So that EA producer that made that video where he said he doesn't care about gamers' opinions, only other developers. So when your peers, other game developers, start talking **** about the game, does that mean they're starting to get the hint?

I mean I'm just a lowly fireman, according to them what do i know about games right? But when other game developers start smack talking them openly, they gotta start thinking it's more than just entitled whiny gamers.

[Atrocity]

Laterali wrote...

So that EA producer that made that video where he said he doesn't care about gamers' opinions, only other developers. So when your peers, other game developers, start talking **** about the game, does that mean they're starting to get the hint?

I mean I'm just a lowly fireman, according to them what do i know about games right? But when other game developers start smack talking them openly, they gotta start thinking it's more than just entitled whiny gamers.

That'd be the reasonable thing to do, even if filtered through "they're competing companies trying to make most out of the situation" goggles.

Wait, I said reasonable? I might have disproved my point in that word choice alone.

[Ohpus]

Greylycantrope wrote..
Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

Optimists tend to be disappointed. Pessimists tend to be pleasantly surprised. Reality often seems to be middle of the road.

[Atrocity]

Ohpus wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote..
Odds are I'll just be dissappointed again but I try to stay somewhat possitive.

Optimists tend to be disappointed. Pessimists tend to be pleasantly surprised. Reality often seems to be middle of the road.

I----------------------I--------------I-----------------------I 
Optimist           reality           pessimist                      Me

Modifié par Atrocity, 25 mai 2012 - 03:44 .

[Ohpus]

Laterali wrote...

I just watched a Witcher 2 developer video. It was by a level designer talking about the new features in the game. He shows side by side comparisons of the visuals depending on the choices you make throughout the game. At one point he says, "The differences aren't just changing one color."

I had to do a double take. Did they just smack talk BioWare? Cause it'd be pretty funny if that was the intent.

Link to the video please.

[Montana]

evisneffo wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Not a great tagline for the series by any standard "Mass Effect: Lower Your Expectations"

That is depressing.

"Mass Effect: Acceptable"

"Mass Effect: I Guess This Will Have To Do"

"Mass Effect: Now Will You Stop Complaining?"

"Mass Effect: It Could Be Worse, Or Could It"

"Mass Effect: Life sucks and then you die"

[GreyLycanTrope]

@Laterali you're a fireman? that automatically makes you awesome.

But yeah I hope someone's taking notes on the criticism. I can't shake the feeling the idea of Extended Cut came about to clarify that the Mass Relays exploding didn't kill a good chunk of the the galaxy and to add an epilogue. I'd like an epilogue sure, though I wasn't one of those who thought the Relays exploding killed everything.

There were other issues with the endings that have been posted on these forums more times than I care to count so I hope they're taking that into account at least.