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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

"reader control is the high road to disaster,"
I even agree that too much fan control is a bad thing, but we should not have to try and take control in the first place.

"A lot of thought upfront is important in games." And that was all squandered at the last minute.

i liked what whichever one of them said about how if it were him he'd rewrite the ending if people were willing to pay for it
@Laterali, thanks for the link, liked reading that lol Image IPB

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#100952
Kyria Nyriese

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

"reader control is the high road to disaster,"
I even agree that too much fan control is a bad thing, but we should not have to try and take control in the first place.

"A lot of thought upfront is important in games." And that was all squandered at the last minute.

So very true...

Makes me wonder what they were thinking.

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Major Swift wrote...


i liked what whichever oneof them said about how if it were him he'd rewrite the ending if people were willing to pay for it
@Laterali, thanks for the link, liked reading that lol Image IPB



Critical thinking might suggest he would want to say that to drum up interest for his own upcoming project but I am almost tempted to check it out... dam you clever clever man!

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Koobismo is great as usual! New episode (23) of Marauder Shields is out:
Variant A & Variant B
(depends on who survived on Virmire).

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Kyria Nyriese

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lijygr wrote...

Koobismo is great as usual! New episode (23) of Marauder Shields is out:
Variant A & Variant B
(depends on who survived on Virmire).


NVM... wrong thread /sigh

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What I felt like when I saw the advertising for ME3 after playing the game...

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Lol and I thought we were bad... was browsing the TMNT Wikipedia page and found this gem

"It was announced on May 27, 2010 that Michael Bay's Platinum Dunes production company had landed the rights to the new film and will most likely be a complete abortion of a film unworthy of being related to the source material. "

lol

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Lol and I thought we were bad... was browsing the TMNT Wikipedia page and found this gem

"It was announced on May 27, 2010 that Michael Bay's Platinum Dunes production company had landed the rights to the new film and will most likely be a complete abortion of a film unworthy of being related to the source material. "

lol

Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...

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Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...


Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol


The way Michael Baysplosion works, you probably just pitched his screenplay right there.

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BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...


Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol

Aye... Its almost as bad as what he did with The Transformers...

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i cant remember off the top of my head which movies had there endings rewitten after they were released in the cinema's........

oh wait i do

1. Australia
2. Fatal Attraction
3. Clerks
4. Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
5. Little Shop of Horrors
6. Men in Black II
7. Dawn of the Dead
8. The Break-Up
9. Superman 2
10 .I am legend
11.Live Free or Die Hard
12. Bladerunner
13. Paranormal Activity
14. Clockwork orange
15. Dr. Strangelove
16. Pretty Woman
17. Heathers
18. Army of darkness
19. 28 Days Later
20. Dear John
21. Pretty in pink
22. Avatar


ALL those movies had there endings changed by the audiance which made then great and was used to hype them up, then before "rest of the world" release the actual studio changed the endings which made a LOT of the movies above bomb at the box office.

you see when the viewer is asked what needs to be changed then they know more about it

YET when the studio changes it AFTER it was changed the first time they remove parts which made it more awesome but the studio THINKS they know what we want.

so changing the ending and removing certain elements of ME3 that are suggested by US PLAYERS / FANS will NOT harm a game but instead make it a SHEDLOAD BETTER.

yes YOU might make the game but its US that can break it

Modifié par chmarr, 27 mai 2012 - 02:21 .


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Laterali wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...


Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol


The way Michael Baysplosion works, you probably just pitched his screenplay right there.


Michael Bay is the Elder God of Cinema and when ever his name is invoked, random things explode.

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Mythandariel wrote...

Laterali wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...


Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol


The way Michael Baysplosion works, you probably just pitched his screenplay right there.


Michael Bay is the Elder God of Cinema and when ever his name is invoked, random things explode.


*is startled by the sound of a nearby explosion, then looks around to see what blew up*

Great job Myth, you just blew up my yellow van. :P

#100965
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What are the odds that something major happened during my 3 day absence? I have been crazy busy.

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Major Swift wrote...
 also i know im late with this but welcome Macro! Image IPB


Hey, honestly, late or not, thank you for the welcome, Major.

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Laterali wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Tyion133 wrote...


Didnt you hear? He is going to make the Teenage Non-Mutant Ninja Aliens...



Well I will admit I was not the biggest TMNT fan when I was the appropriate age,  but its fair enough for them to get angry about changes they think devalue one of their favourite things... Anyone in similar position should be able to express views on things they like. Wikipedia vandalism is just silly though...


And making them Aliens does sound pretty silly lol, from the planet shella prime? sent in a space ship shaped like a giant shell? where pizza grows in fields? lol


The way Michael Baysplosion works, you probably just pitched his screenplay right there.

Ah hahahaha, Can we get this weapon in the game? A Michael Baysplosion warhead?

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Goodwood wrote...

*is startled by the sound of a nearby explosion, then looks around to see what blew up*

Great job Myth, you just blew up my yellow van. :P

*trying to quickly cover Goodwood's once yellow now blackend and burnd out van.*

Don't look dude we can fix it. Image IPB

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Laterali wrote...

http://www.computera...ge=2#top_banner

Best article ever written right here.

Gets two science fiction writers, Joe Abercrombie and Jonathan Green, to discuss the ending of ME3. They do kind of come on both sides. The important part is the second page, where they basically say that the ending is just plain bad writing, in terms of science and of fiction.

Basically they too believe that the Star Baby is nonsensical and lazy.

Go read this and rejoice.

The only thing in this article I didn't like was the statement about giving the fans too much control being the high road to disaster. Fair enough, but, with a book I'll never spend $60, and a book dosen't have DLC that you have to pay for, also, even though many people can read a book, you can't have a bunch of people sitting around reading the same physical copy of a book at the same time, (comparing to a mp) I think a video game which CAN be altered after the fact, and givin the the fact that a studeo really isn't in the business of losing money, fan control to a certin degree, should be paramont to keeping the fans comming back. At least that's my take on it.

Oh and thanks for the link Laterali, I did enjoy that artical. Image IPB

Modifié par Macro Dude, 27 mai 2012 - 04:31 .


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Hey all,whats up?Yeah I know it's the weekend.
On another forum a person was talking about how he didn't like movies made earlier than 1980.Too slow and not exciting enough.Is there a correlation between liking movies with flash and little plot to liking games with flash and little plot?Top 10 movies before 1965:
1)12 O'clock High.
2)Wings (Clara Bow)
3)Casablanca
4)any The Thin Man movie
5)The General(Buster Keaton) ties with any Harold Llyod orCharlie Chaplin
6)Zulu
7)She wore a yellow ribbon
8)Dr.Strangelove
9)Captian Blood
10)The Great Escape
Very little to no flash and a LOT of plot.My top 5 games are the same.
1)ME1
2)FF6(US)
3)Fallout 1 and 2
4)DA:O
5)BG,BG II,BGToB
All had more plot and a lot less flash.But were more entertaining to me than say Avatar or ME3.

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Macro Dude

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Ihatebadgames wrote...

Hey all,whats up?Yeah I know it's the weekend.
On another forum a person was talking about how he didn't like movies made earlier than 1980.Too slow and not exciting enough.Is there a correlation between liking movies with flash and little plot to liking games with flash and little plot?Top 10 movies before 1965:
1)12 O'clock High.
2)Wings (Clara Bow)
3)Casablanca
4)any The Thin Man movie
5)The General(Buster Keaton) ties with any Harold Llyod orCharlie Chaplin
6)Zulu
7)She wore a yellow ribbon
8)Dr.Strangelove
9)Captian Blood
10)The Great Escape
Very little to no flash and a LOT of plot.My top 5 games are the same.
1)ME1
2)FF6(US)
3)Fallout 1 and 2
4)DA:O
5)BG,BG II,BGToB
All had more plot and a lot less flash.But were more entertaining to me than say Avatar or ME3.

What about The Godfather? Had the best of both,flash and plot, and definatly made before 1980. lol

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He did not answer that one.I don't like the Godfather so it wasn't in my top 10..Just thought I'd ask if people thought there was a correlation between liking movie with more plot than flash and liking games with more plot than flash.

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Macro Dude wrote...

The only thing in this article I didn't like was the statement about giving the fans too much control being the high road to disaster. Fair enough, but, with a book I'll never spend $60, and a book dosen't have DLC that you have to pay for, also, even though many people can read a book, you can't have a bunch of people sitting around reading the same physical copy of a book at the same time, (comparing to a mp) I think a video game which CAN be altered after the fact, and givin the the fact that a studeo really isn't in the business of losing money, fan control to a certin degree, should be paramont to keeping the fans comming back. At least that's my take on it.

Oh and thanks for the link Laterali, I did enjoy that artical. Image IPB


Videogames definitely are a different creature than literature. But I tend to agree with him, if you complelely bow to pressure from fans, the game would be an utter mess. Ashley's breasts would be 1990's porno size, Tali's hips would probably kill a man, and Shepard would probably be fist pounding and chugging beer.

The last thing I want is a bunch of fans putting too much input into a game. But there is such a thing as moderation, which these game journalists seem to forget about. To them, it's all or nothing, either we sit and eat everything the developers feed us with smiles on our faces, or we're ravenous dogs cutting into the game with gnashing teeth.

There's actually a middle ground, where developers say, "What would you like to see in a game?" Or "Where would you like to see this story go?" They gather some opinions, weigh them, find useful stuff, and use it and or tweak it to fit the game. Them using ideas for the game isn't curbing their artistic integrity, it's collaboration that creates a product more likely to sell, which no matter what they say, is their number one priority.

Out of all the different forms of entertainment, video games are best positioned to be fixed, altered, changed after release. They already have a way of implementing it through DLC. The only thing holding it back is the backwards thinking that changing it would somehow make them less of an artist.

I'm going on too long with this, and I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere......

And there are instances of people gathering around and reading the same book, It's called Oprah's Book Club, and it's just awful.....

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Let me just throw this out here, and see what you think, Back in the day when RPG's were still strictly pen and paper games, you could tell who was a good game master and who wasen't by the way they ran their game. A good game master, would create fantistic worlds for you and the other players to explore and would keep the game flow going and players would come back again and again. The best game masters had an ultimate goal that you could (if you made the right decisions) attain, thus winning, or moving on to the next adventure. But they always played within the rules. A bad game master throws lot's of weird plot devices to limit your choices and basically throws the rule book out the window, trying his best to kill off all the players characters. Of course the bad game master usually found that nobody wants to play his games anymore and has lost all his gamming friends, due to his shoddy game play. Sound familliar? The great thing was, you could always go find another game master to run a game, A bad game master quickly finds he has trouble getting even 2 people who either don't know him, or are foolish enough to give him just one more chance.

For me, it's kind of this way where I'm just foolish enough to give BW / EA just one more chance, before I take my gamming stuff and walk away in disgust.

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Ihatebadgames wrote...

He did not answer that one.I don't like the Godfather so it wasn't in my top 10..Just thought I'd ask if people thought there was a correlation between liking movie with more plot than flash and liking games with more plot than flash.

I think there is, and it's a good point. Sorry, but I did kinda like The Godfather movies. lol I'm also a fan of many older titles from back in the days before color.