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[albertalad]

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

[Eragondragonrider]

TUHD wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Is it confirmed btw that you get that few dialogue options? That just 2 dialogue options in the demo was no incident?

From all of the videos I have watched, Including multiple live streams of the game.  Most of the dialogue options I saw were just 2 options.

Great. Just great. So they screw loyal fanbase over by mostly ignoring choices you made/make and totally remove the RPG-aspect. They bring customization of weapons back, and a slight boost in choices for upgrading powers, but the chatting gets cut down...
This is just a shooter, not a shooter/RPG anymore...
*removes ME3 from his to-buy list*

Edit: spelling

In a recent interview Mr. Casey confirmed that Mass Effect has always been a 3rd person shooter never an rpg/shooter.

[wolf99000]

blueruin wrote...

Regarding the old man and the child Epilogue, Buddy Holly from SA wrote:


Well I figured out the epilogue.. it makes things a little bit better I think:

I figure the reason old man knows about all this isn't because he's some sort of inbred descendant of the Normandy but because one of Liara's time capsules landed on that particular planet.

I think these people are completely removed from our people, the crew and galaxy that we know. Maybe one of the capsules went through a relay and ended up far, far away. Which could imply that that part of the galaxy we know and love has in fact been rebuilt and is doing fantastic.

Here's the conversation from the leaked script:

Liara: So... I put a plan in motion to preserve things for the future. A record of the galaxy. Information on the Reapers, relays, different cultures... and blueprints of the Crucible. But there's one entry I wanted your opinion on. Your own. I'd be honored to have your input. How would you like history to remember you?
Shepard: Fifty-thousand years is a long time for a computer to sit around.
Liara: Please, I was an archeologist. I know what I'm doing. I'm encasing these records in time capsules and seeding copies on multiple planets. And while it's not foolproof, the VI I'm installing has every translation and linguistics program I could find.
Shepard: So it's an information guide, like Vigil or Vendetta?
Liara: Yes. I've been preparing it for some time. And it will be a privilege to guide the future discoverers of these records.

Good old Liara.

I will belive it when I see it but why would they not explain this in the ending if it was right

[ciaweth]

blooregard wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

They are censoring critical posts on the Facebook page, I notice.

It's on.

describe "censoring critical posts"

On a Facebook fan page, if you are the admin, you have the option to "hide" any post to your wall, and any comment on your own posts.  You can also add words to a filter, and if a comment or post contains those words, they are autohidden.  They are doing this with the critical posts on the Mass Effect fan page.  The effect is that all the feedback on the page wall looks generally positive to a non-admin.

Go ahead and try this yourself--either create a fan page yourself and experiment, or post something super critical on Mass Effect's page and watch no one respond after a certain point--it's because they cannot see your post.

It's their option, of course.  A Facebook fan page is more of a marketing tool than a forum for free expression.  That's how social media marketing works.

Modifié par ciaweth, 04 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[blooregard]

ciaweth wrote...

blooregard wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

They are censoring critical posts on the Facebook page, I notice.

It's on.

describe "censoring critical posts"

On a Facebook fan page, if you are the admin, you have the option to "hide" any post to your wall, and any comment on your own posts.  You can also add words to a filter, and if a comment or post contains those words, they are autohidden.  They are doing this with the critical posts on the Mass Effect fan page.  The effect is that all the feedback on the page wall looks generally positive to a non-admin.

Go ahead and try this yourself--either create a fan page yourself and experiment, or post something super critical on Mass Effect's page and watch no one respond after a certain point--it's because they cannot see your post.

It's their option, of course.  A Facebook fan page is more of a marketing tool than a forum for free expression.  That's how social media marketing works.

I actually ment what were these "critical posts" that the admin there found necessary to censor.

[TUHD]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Goose1004 wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Is it confirmed btw that you get that few dialogue options? That just 2 dialogue options in the demo was no incident?

From all of the videos I have watched, Including multiple live streams of the game.  Most of the dialogue options I saw were just 2 options.

Great. Just great. So they screw loyal fanbase over by mostly ignoring choices you made/make and totally remove the RPG-aspect. They bring customization of weapons back, and a slight boost in choices for upgrading powers, but the chatting gets cut down...
This is just a shooter, not a shooter/RPG anymore...
*removes ME3 from his to-buy list*

Edit: spelling

In a recent interview Mr. Casey confirmed that Mass Effect has always been a 3rd person shooter never an rpg/shooter.

Well, ME1 was undeniable an shooter/RPG. ME2 got stripped of a part of it, but was undeniable still an shooter/RPG (shooter first, with plenty of RPG-aspects like choice/consequence, influence scaling (paragon/renegade), etc).
ME3 however with the info of the recent weeks however seems to become a pure shooter...

[Rdubs]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

This is what the guidebooks say the endings are.

1. Earth destroyed and the Galaxy overtaken; the worst possible ending; 1,750 Galactic Readiness rating OR LOWER

2. Reapers destroyed, Earth and the Galaxy devastated (if Collector Base destroyed)

3. Become a Reaper, Earth and Galaxy devastated (if Collector Base kept).

4. Reapers destroyed, Earth and the Galaxy less devastated(if Collector Base destroyed)

5. The Earth and the Galaxy saved; become a Reaper (leader) the middle ending

6. Create synergy between organic and synthetic kind, saving Earth and the Galaxy

7. Reapers destroyed, the Earth and the Galaxy saved; the Perfect Ending; 4,000 Galactic Readiness rating and certain conditions met through Mass Effect 3 met OR 5,000 Galactic Readiness by playing both single player and multiplayer

There's a 8th, surprise ending you get for completing a New Game+ campaign.+ saving a fish from ME2 all the way through ME3.

Hang on a sec guys, I must be missing something.  In all the descriptions of the current depressing endings I've seen, the Reapers are destroyed or sent back.  But ending #1 above sounds a lot like the "reapers win" scenario, notice for the galaxy to be overtaken the Reapers need to be alive to do so.  #'s 2 through 5 are different shades of middle ending which I would expect from Bioware.  #6 is just, let's call it "off the wall" and almost not serious.  But #7 above sounds like it could be the kind of ending which lets Shepard survive with his love interest and crew, the "good" Bioware ending all the love interest fans are hoping for.  Is #7 just the "reapers destroyed / earth ok / normandy and crew and love interest still screwed" ending?

Remember before it was said that the "Synergy" ending was the "perfect" ending, I think.  If this guide says a different "destroy reapers" ending is the perfect one, maybe there's something still yet to come.

[ciaweth]

blooregard wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

blooregard wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

They are censoring critical posts on the Facebook page, I notice.

It's on.

describe "censoring critical posts"

On a Facebook fan page, if you are the admin, you have the option to "hide" any post to your wall, and any comment on your own posts.  You can also add words to a filter, and if a comment or post contains those words, they are autohidden.  They are doing this with the critical posts on the Mass Effect fan page.  The effect is that all the feedback on the page wall looks generally positive to a non-admin.

Go ahead and try this yourself--either create a fan page yourself and experiment, or post something super critical on Mass Effect's page and watch no one respond after a certain point--it's because they cannot see your post.

It's their option, of course.  A Facebook fan page is more of a marketing tool than a forum for free expression.  That's how social media marketing works.

I actually ment what were these "critical posts" that the admin there found necessary to censor.

Right.  But part of my point is, no one would be able to *see* most of these critical posts to give you a description of them.  The only ones who can see most of them would be the people who have admin privs on the page.

[Aesieru]

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

[HairyMadDog1010]

There is hope for our crew forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php

Page 194 look for a poster by the name of Buddy Holly and scroll over his blacked out text.

Contains spoilers Obv.

[kingsims]

So far Totalbiscut and AngryJoe are going to shun this game. Not all journalists are siding with EA.

[albertalad]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...


There is hope for our crew forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php

Page 194 look for a poster by the name of Buddy Holly and scroll over his blacked out text.

Contains spoilers Obv.

Hope my obversation doesn't cause a problem - BUT that may well occur before Sheppard meets the Christmas Tree lights and then just choose the color of choice. Same crappy endings.

[gearseffect]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

Um yeah but from what I've seen of the game It looks like it was made for Action Mode, and the standard ME experience was just added later.

Most the Dialogue is Auto, They've removed investigate, they've completely cut my talking options down and now it looks like Shepard is no longer me but John Shepard or Master Chief or Marcus Fenix

Hey they DID learn from DA2 then. Just the wrong things >.>

WTF? I have not played DAO or DA2 but from the sounds things so far they shall be no saving BW from fans wraith after to epasodes like this and both huge let downs.

I may just make a cry to EA for help, I mean EA is all about making money and with ME going down like this the ME cash cow could end up "AH Yeas the Reapers got to it" empty dead husk nothing good.

This is looking to be the biggist let down EVER! and MOST EPIC FAIL!

Mass Effect 3 histories biggest flop. Forget the phrase jumping the shark. it will become pullling the ME3 Shepard.

[wolf99000]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...


There is hope for our crew forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php

Page 194 look for a poster by the name of Buddy Holly and scroll over his blacked out text.

Contains spoilers Obv.

as I said above to it I will belive it when I see it but why would they not explain this in the ending if it was right I am sure someone would have found it by now

[fearan1]

We are sure you will all enjoy the game immensely! We have created nothing but the best for our fans, and we are plan to see you all Taking Back the Earth on March 6th!

Response to my plea on facebook posted about 5 min after I posted my ending concerns one can hope (crosses finger ) there is more everything looks so good till the devastating and contrived
endings.

Lies ??
"We are sure you will all enjoy the game immensely! We have created nothing but the best for our fans, and we are plan to see you all Taking Back the Earth on March 6th!"

Modifié par fearan1, 04 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[albertalad]

Aesieru wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

Lol - just reverse engineer the thing as we know the Russians were masters of reverse engineering American WW2 bombers and other US tech. Nothing lazy about that - it still means having to then adapt this tech and then develop for two way use.

[Jackal7713]

Rdubs wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...

This is what the guidebooks say the endings are.

1. Earth destroyed and the Galaxy overtaken; the worst possible ending; 1,750 Galactic Readiness rating OR LOWER

2. Reapers destroyed, Earth and the Galaxy devastated (if Collector Base destroyed)

3. Become a Reaper, Earth and Galaxy devastated (if Collector Base kept).

4. Reapers destroyed, Earth and the Galaxy less devastated(if Collector Base destroyed)

5. The Earth and the Galaxy saved; become a Reaper (leader) the middle ending

6. Create synergy between organic and synthetic kind, saving Earth and the Galaxy

7. Reapers destroyed, the Earth and the Galaxy saved; the Perfect Ending; 4,000 Galactic Readiness rating and certain conditions met through Mass Effect 3 met OR 5,000 Galactic Readiness by playing both single player and multiplayer

There's a 8th, surprise ending you get for completing a New Game+ campaign.+ saving a fish from ME2 all the way through ME3.

Hang on a sec guys, I must be missing something.  In all the descriptions of the current depressing endings I've seen, the Reapers are destroyed or sent back.  But ending #1 above sounds a lot like the "reapers win" scenario, notice for the galaxy to be overtaken the Reapers need to be alive to do so.  #'s 2 through 5 are different shades of middle ending which I would expect from Bioware.  #6 is just, let's call it "off the wall" and almost not serious.  But #7 above sounds like it could be the kind of ending which lets Shepard survive with his love interest and crew, the "good" Bioware ending all the love interest fans are hoping for.  Is #7 just the "reapers destroyed / earth ok / normandy and crew and love interest still screwed" ending?

Remember before it was said that the "Synergy" ending was the "perfect" ending, I think.  If this guide says a different "destroy reapers" ending is the perfect one, maybe there's something still yet to come.

I'm hoping so or maybe its #8

Modifié par Jackal7713, 04 mars 2012 - 05:09 .

[Warhawk137]

Aesieru wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

What does that even mean?

The Protheans understood how the relays worked, they just didn't understand that the Citadel itself was a massive relay.  There's no reason we couldn't just build some new ones the right way.

And according to the lore, the comm buoys are already just primative mass relays that we built.  It's not like we're lacking too much in terms of the concept.

[Aesieru]

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

Lol - just reverse engineer the thing as we know the Russians were masters of reverse engineering American WW2 bombers and other US tech. Nothing lazy about that - it still means having to then adapt this tech and then develop for two way use.

You seem to forget that relays are molecularly shielded.

We don't know how the Protheans even made one.

[wicked_being]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...


There is hope for our crew forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php

Page 194 look for a poster by the name of Buddy Holly and scroll over his blacked out text.

Contains spoilers Obv.

I fail to see how that helps. Basically it's just records of the galaxy, a VI, that future generations may use just in case something happens. How does that help the crew?

[wolf99000]

Warhawk137 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

What does that even mean?

The Protheans understood how the relays worked, they just didn't understand that the Citadel itself was a massive relay.  There's no reason we couldn't just build some new ones the right way.

And according to the lore, the comm buoys are already just primative mass relays that we built.  It's not like we're lacking too much in terms of the concept.

well liaras dad did say she tried to talk the asari into building more relays so it must be possible to do it or why even have her say that

[Aesieru]

wolf99000 wrote...

Warhawk137 wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

I was prepared to be forced to see Shepard have to make the ultimate sacrifice to save the galaxy. I wouldn't have liked it but I was prepared for it. I was even prepared to see the Normandy and crew die, or Earth be a devastated ruin. I wasn't prepared for what they did to the galactic civilization.


The ending makes me feel like everything Shepard and co. did, all they sacrificed, was for nothing. These endings don't count as victory. It's just trading one horrible fate (the Reapers) for another one (the collapse of civilization)

Actually, not true.

If you understood any of the plot built up between ME 1, 2, and I assume 3, then you would see that doing away with the Reapers we can't even understand is a good choice because it allows us to diverge and advance on our own means, that being said, there are some choices that could result in the relays being rebuilt in a convenient point of time.

Galactic civilization is removed from the prison of the relays and the Reapers with each ending.

Actually there is a relay aready on Ilos granted to works one way however it is still a relay so the vast majority of the relay work has been accomplish and is still there on Ilos!

But we don't understand it, don't ever use something you don't understand, you'll get lazy, as the Reapers showed with their own relay trap.

What does that even mean?

The Protheans understood how the relays worked, they just didn't understand that the Citadel itself was a

massive relay.  There's no reason we couldn't just build some new ones the right way.

---

well liaras dad did say she tried to talk the asari into building more relays so it must be possible to do it or why even have her say that

The bartender Asari is not Liara's dad.

And according to the lore, the comm buoys are already just primative mass relays that we built.  It's not like we're lacking too much in terms of the concept. 

Modifié par Aesieru, 04 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[blueruin]

wicked_being wrote...

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...


There is hope for our crew forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php

Page 194 look for a poster by the name of Buddy Holly and scroll over his blacked out text.

Contains spoilers Obv.

I fail to see how that helps. Basically it's just records of the galaxy, a VI, that future generations may use just in case something happens. How does that help the crew?

People were flipping out about a Normandy incest/inbred colony (lolol) wherever they crash landed, resulting in the old man and the child epilogue.

He's saying that the Epilogue could be a reference to Liara's time capsules. 

[albertalad]

NO matter what anyone say what's out there now with BW in nothing short of idiocy. The cut scene garbage is even more amateurish leading to absolutely no resolution what so ever. Moreover the "reason" created for the Reapers was to kill us to save organics from synthetics by the very definitions of synthetics themselves. Yes, that computes like a hole in the head.

[blueruin]

Aesieru wrote...


The bartender Asari is not Liara's dad.

Then who is she and why does she gaze morosely at a picture of Liara when drinking?