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[Adragalus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Adragalus wrote...
Yeah, just a thought.

Though remember, the Alliance stripped down and retrofitted the SR2. I seriously doubt they left in the direct line to TIM. Either redirected it, or tore it out.

Also, there's some upcoming "Twitter" thing from Diane Allers about visiting a QEC recearch lab at UCLA.

Good point, forgot about their retrofit of the Normandy.

Still, a quantum entanglement devide relies on both ends working. Even if the Normandy's one survives the crash when most of the rest of the ship is devastated, whatever the device connects to would also needed to have surived the Reaper war.

And it doesn't change the fact that the Normandy crew have no idea where they are, and even if they did they are in uncharted space betwene two Relays. They're too far away to be rescued, especially seeing as galactic society is going to be trying to rebuild itself.

Yeah, that's the kicker. It's still something, though. 

Besides, who knows what they can figure out with astrogation and whatnot, as to their location.

And of course the QEC will survive, it's electroplated with refined Handwavium 

[Siegdrifa]

Beomer wrote...
 After all what better way to measure a man then by the glory of his death? The greatest heroes always end up dying, because they transcend that line that separates ordinary men from great men. Dying quietly in a bed would be too mundane for a such a man.

That's your opinion, a man that die can't accomplish anything more.
Because it couldn't accomplish greater act after is not a good reason enough for death wish in my book.
A human destiny is much more than looking for the death at the apex of his glory, most of them have friends and family who care for them and are waiting for them to get back alive, that's what make it a roller coaster irl.

No doubt the heroic sacrifice MUST be on the possibility list !
Some players even if dearly attached to their Shep wants to make it a trajic ending and i see no reason in their enterainement to no grant their wish.
But there is no magical formula on "how to make the best ending" and "always make a heroic sacrifice" wouldn't be THE answer.

My Shep is not lookin for glory, and she don't care how she will be remembered, heck, even in the games (ME 1&2) some people are in denial of her act, but it is not what stop her from going forward, because it's the right thing to do.
She is not intrested in medal, or any glorification bull****, she don't want to start a cult, she just want to cool down and "live" with those she care in a galaxy she cared, my Shep is not jesus, she intend to live because she fight also for her survival as well, she try to build a better future for most of the galaxy and those she care, and to be part of it also.

Death will come one day, and living is not about glory, some people who fought heroicly stay alive and are not remembered at all, but they got the previlege to see the life rebuild and their children, and their grandchildren.
I'm sure my grandgrandfather who survived Verdun in WW1 being one of the 5 survivor of a 3000 man squad had the will to survive on this killing ground, and his son, my grandfather who was an active resistant in WW2 never been to get his medal after the liberation; as he said:
-"my country knew where to find me when she needed me, if she wants to give me a medal, she knows where i live", he didn't give a damn about glory and being remembered, he did it because it was the right thing to do, and to protect my grand mother and contribute to a better furtur for his first son born during the war.

I think too much people are in desillusion on glory through deah, such as viking tale that are uterly biggest BS out there, the "Hàvamal" alone proove that vikings and nordic were the opposite of "yeah ! dying in battle field for Odin and glory ! drinking ! drinking !".
Some of their hero was even granted reincarnation after tragic death with their lover, such as Elgie :
Helgakvida Hundingsbana II
Helgakvida Hundingsbana I
Helgakvida Hörjvardssonar.
If this is what they like though, be my guest, they are absolutly right to love this kind of story and they need to existe, but what's make me tickle is the "because it's the only way to make it great", that's your opinion dude, not the universal truth.

This is as ridiculous as saying "because chocolate have better tast than vanilla, let's get rid of all the vanilla in the world and let's keep only chocolate".
Or
If this cake have no chocolate, than it's not a good cake ! only chocolate cake are good ! ... L A W L !

[Candidate 88766]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

War is basically inevitable, and the Reapers believed the Cycle was the only way to prevent the singularity while allowing life to exist.

This is where my understanding of the cycle falters.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life. While attempting to also preserve the universe in all it's glory, by preventing galatic wars.

Now, Organics in and of themselves are the ultimate creation of war. We're driven by things, be it belief, greed, or need, to wage war on other creatures. Be them Organic or Synthetic. War will always ultimately lead to the decimation of life and destruction of the universe. ( Or at least a large portion of the universe. )

Organics will always wage war. War will always lead to destruction of life and land.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life, but prevent the destruction of the universe, which would ultimately come about through war.

You see the problem?

You can't prevent war, without removing the Organic element.
You either have to pick the preservation of the universe or the preservation of Organic Life.
You can't have both.

They don't care about stopping war - they only want to prevent organic life becoming entirely extinct. While organics will always fight, it is unlikely that both sides will entirely wipe each other out. However, a stronger synthetic race may very well be able to completely wipe out organic life, which is what the Reapers want to avoid.

[magnuskn]

panamakira wrote...

I pretty much would like a DESTROY ending that would leave me with all relays intact or some sort of equally advance technology that would replace the galaxy's current space travel.

That seems too much to ask.

Honestly, a proper ending would have given us a long epilogue, some idea what the future of the Mass Effect universe would be, proper send-offs for the crew and Shepard... I really don't know what BioWare was thinking. "How can we most easily tank our hot science-fiction property? Oh, right, super-depressing endings and nuking the entire setting!" seems really a pretty dumb way to go.

[Sylvanpyxie]

They don't care about stopping war - they only want to prevent organic life becoming entirely extinct.

The only way for organic life to become extinct would be to destroy the universe.

So ultimately, the Reapers have to protect the universe. Not the creatures within it.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 04 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Lt.Romic]

Can someone actually put up some detailed info on each of the endings? Im not sifting through 400+ webpages to find out

[Rob_K1]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Rendered via in-game cinematics I guess? Not ones that can be data-mined. The endings that is, for your squad mates on earth. I really do wonder where this teleporting thing came from...

I'd click the image myself, but I've stayed away from 4chan. For some reason, my anti-virus software never liked it the one time I went to check it out with all the DA 2 controversy.

It's part of the gameplay. Everyone (Shepard, teammates, Alliance ground forces) starts running towards the beam leading to the Crucible, dodging Reaper fire all the way. Near the beam, a blast wave comes up, and Shepard (in the stream) is seemingly the only one still standing. S/he starts limping over to the beam while wielding a pistol and shooting a couple of enemies. The teammates are on the ground. This is all in the gameplay - no cutscenes.

The image says, "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content."

Cheers for the reply. I 'knew' there had to be more to the endings that people couldn't view via datamining.

So, it's possible the galaxy isn't screwed afterall with the 'downloadable content and further gameplay' thing mentioned, as to me it implies there could be post end-game content. In turn, the choice you make at the end would affect post end-game DLC, letting you see what comes of your choices quite possibly.

Indeed. I started watching from the last section of Operation Hammer, so I missed a lot. I heard from others that the streamer had a scene with Garrus where they use their final "downtime" to go target shooting, and that there's an option to purposely lose so that Garrus is happy.

Anyway, the last section of Operation Hammer had (in this stream) Shep, EDI and Garrus using Missile turrets to take out a Sovereign-class Reaper guarding the beam to the Crucible. You have to survive several waves of enemies (Banshees, Harvesters, the works). After you destroy the Reaper with the missiles, one of your teammates (in this case, Garrus) starts singlehandedly mopping up the last couple enemies. Anderson then shows up and you all get in a vehicle to travel towards the beam.

Much obliged.

Edit: Nevermind the rest of this post, seems I miss-read.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 04 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[Dokarqt]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

I'm struggling trying to finish Mass Effect 2 after hearing how utterly bad this game will be

Same here. I got a new PC a couple of months ago and never saved my character files from the old PC so I had to create some new shepards for import into ME3 (had been quite long since the last ME2 playthrough anyway). After finding out about the endings I just couldn't bring myself to finish even one more mission, it just felt pointless knowing its all going to hell in the end anyway. Absolutely no motivation.

Gave the ME games up and have been playing abit of new vegas (also a long time ago). Been playing some Amalur as well but got bored of it quite quickly, will probably start a new Witcher 2 playthrough some time in the near future.

[LoneStorm]

Lt.Romic wrote...

Can someone actually put up some detailed info on each of the endings? Im not sifting through 400+ webpages to find out

Same here, if anyone has a link to this stream will you PM it to me please. I will be most appreciative.

[Candidate 88766]

Adragalus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Adragalus wrote...
Yeah, just a thought.

Though remember, the Alliance stripped down and retrofitted the SR2. I seriously doubt they left in the direct line to TIM. Either redirected it, or tore it out.

Also, there's some upcoming "Twitter" thing from Diane Allers about visiting a QEC recearch lab at UCLA.

Good point, forgot about their retrofit of the Normandy.

Still, a quantum entanglement devide relies on both ends working. Even if the Normandy's one survives the crash when most of the rest of the ship is devastated, whatever the device connects to would also needed to have surived the Reaper war.

And it doesn't change the fact that the Normandy crew have no idea where they are, and even if they did they are in uncharted space betwene two Relays. They're too far away to be rescued, especially seeing as galactic society is going to be trying to rebuild itself.

Yeah, that's the kicker. It's still something, though. 

Besides, who knows what they can figure out with astrogation and whatnot, as to their location.

And of course the QEC will survive, it's electroplated with refined Handwavium 

I'm just going to go for the synthesis ending. Everyone will be able to live longer (perhaps forever) and won't necessarily need to rely on food and water to survive. The level of synthetic improvements to organics isn't explained, so I'm going to assume that it virtually eliminates illness and ageing, and allows organics to survive without food and water. This way, the Normandy colony becomes feasible (none of them will die, so there isn't a need for lots of children to be born to ensure survival), Garrus and Tali won't starve, and they may all surive long enough for another race to reach them.

[Tazzmission]

magnuskn wrote...

panamakira wrote...

I pretty much would like a DESTROY ending that would leave me with all relays intact or some sort of equally advance technology that would replace the galaxy's current space travel.

That seems too much to ask.

Honestly, a proper ending would have given us a long epilogue, some idea what the future of the Mass Effect universe would be, proper send-offs for the crew and Shepard... I really don't know what BioWare was thinking. "How can we most easily tank our hot science-fiction property? Oh, right, super-depressing endings and nuking the entire setting!" seems really a pretty dumb way to go.

i believe thats what the grandfather ending is for now that i think of it

maybe its just symbolic with that ending showing life still does exist in the universe after the big reaper fight

[DeinonSlayer]

magnuskn wrote...

panamakira wrote...

I pretty much would like a DESTROY ending that would leave me with all relays intact or some sort of equally advance technology that would replace the galaxy's current space travel.

That seems too much to ask.

Honestly, a proper ending would have given us a long epilogue, some idea what the future of the Mass Effect universe would be, proper send-offs for the crew and Shepard... I really don't know what BioWare was thinking. "How can we most easily tank our hot science-fiction property? Oh, right, super-depressing endings and nuking the entire setting!" seems really a pretty dumb way to go.

One guy's comment on Youtube kinda sums up the entire situation:


oh my god
oh my god, they ruined it
they found a way to ****ing ruin it
they actually TRIED TO, they one upped shepard dying, they killed the
entire ****ing universe that i have grown so attached to over the years
oh my god

[x5kevleo]

can someone explain me why all the third sequels have all this kind of mess?

[The Bridgeburner]

I mainly lurk around here, but felt the need to say something...

The issue I have with the endings is that they are unimaginative to the nth degree. Bioware decided to attempt something artistic with the third game at the end, I get that, but it doesn't work. Not when the previous entries have delivered nothing but sf space-operatic pulp. And there's nothing wrong with a good pulpy tale... but these endings... good lord. A MacGuffin?

1) They rip off a previous sf game that many consider a ground-breaking game for its time, Deus Ex. If you were to ask me, this is inexcusable. I get homages and all that, but this is on a whole 'nother level. 

2) Where are the choices? 3 endings with essentially the same outcome... Coloured relays and Galactic civilization in ruins.

3) One of the endings isn't even science fiction... Synthesis. What. The. Heck? It defies even Mass Effect's logic in the previous games. Space Magic! I guess.

4) The Reapers end up being a joke. Genociding the galaxy every 50,000 years so the organics won't suffer a genocide from synthetics? What the hell. Since when are AI intrinsically evil? I mean, 3 laws and all that (or at least a variance on it).

BioWare should've stuck to the sf pulp adventure they were doing. I still plan on buying and playing the game, as everything aside from the contrived endings seems quite good, but the replay value is just not there... not like the numerous times I completed 1 & 2.

And if BioWare was attempting an homage to sf... they could've honoured something that wasn't in their very own medium... like say, actual quality sf authors like E.E. "Doc" Smith, J.G. Ballard, Alfred Bester, M. John Harrison, John Brunner, Vernor Vinge, Robert Charles Wilson, or for humour, Cordwainer Smith. Instead, it's another video game they copy the ending of... it boggles the mind.    

[Candidate 88766]

Lt.Romic wrote...

Can someone actually put up some detailed info on each of the endings? Im not sifting through 400+ webpages to find out

You can destroy all synthetic life to prevent a singularity (including the Geth, who become augmented with Reaper tech if you let them live in ME3). Earth can be destroyed, devastated or okay, and there is a posisbly for Shepard to live.

You can control the Reapers, which basically means Shepard gives his life to able to dictate when the next Cycle begins (the Reapers aren't at your beck and call though).

You can start a synthesis, merging organic and synthetic life to prevent a singularity ever occuring. Organics gain synthetic improvements, and synthetics gain true life.

In all endings, the Relays are lost dispersing the Crucible's energy around the entire galaxy.

In all endings, the Normandy is caught between two Relays as they are destroyed; the corridor of low-mass space dissolves, and they crash deep in uncharted space and crash on a planet, forming a colony.

[Demarco09]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Beomer wrote...
 After all what better way to measure a man then by the glory of his death? The greatest heroes always end up dying, because they transcend that line that separates ordinary men from great men. Dying quietly in a bed would be too mundane for a such a man.

That's your opinion, a man that die can't accomplish anything more.
Because it couldn't accomplish greater act after is not a good reason enough for death wish in my book.
A human destiny is much more than looking for the death at the apex of his glory, most of them have friends and family who care for them and are waiting for them to get back alive, that's what make it a roller coaster irl.

No doubt the heroic sacrifice MUST be on the possibility list !
Some players even if dearly attached to their Shep wants to make it a trajic ending and i see no reason in their enterainement to no grant their wish.
But there is no magical formula on "how to make the best ending" and "always make a heroic sacrifice" wouldn't be THE answer.

My Shep is not lookin for glory, and she don't care how she will be remembered, heck, even in the games (ME 1&2) some people are in denial of her act, but it is not what stop her from going forward, because it's the right thing to do.
She is not intrested in medal, or any glorification bull****, she don't want to start a cult, she just want to cool down and "live" with those she care in a galaxy she cared, my Shep is not jesus, she intend to live because she fight also for her survival as well, she try to build a better future for most of the galaxy and those she care, and to be part of it also.

Death will come one day, and living is not about glory, some people who fought heroicly stay alive and are not remembered at all, but they got the previlege to see the life rebuild and their children, and their grandchildren.
I'm sure my grandgrandfather who survived Verdun in WW1 being one of the 5 survivor of a 3000 man squad had the will to survive on this killing ground, and his son, my grandfather who was an active resistant in WW2 never been to get his medal after the liberation; as he said:
-"my country knew where to find me when she needed me, if she wants to give me a medal, she knows where i live", he didn't give a damn about glory and being remembered, he did it because it was the right thing to do, and to protect my grand mother and contribute to a better furtur for his first son born during the war.

I think too much people are in desillusion on glory through deah, such as viking tale that are uterly biggest BS out there, the "Hàvamal" alone proove that vikings and nordic were the opposite of "yeah ! dying in battle field for Odin and glory ! drinking ! drinking !".
Some of their hero was even granted reincarnation after tragic death with their lover, such as Elgie :
Helgakvida Hundingsbana II
Helgakvida Hundingsbana I
Helgakvida Hörjvardssonar.
If this is what they like though, be my guest, they are absolutly right to love this kind of story and they need to existe, but what's make me tickle is the "because it's the only way to make it great", that's your opinion dude, not the universal truth.

This is as ridiculous as saying "because chocolate have better tast than vanilla, let's get rid of all the vanilla in the world and let's keep only chocolate".
Or
If this cake have no chocolate, than it's not a good cake ! only chocolate cake are good ! ... L A W L !

Holy hell ^^^^ Amazingly said my friend! 

[magnuskn]

Tazzmission wrote...

i believe thats what the grandfather ending is for now that i think of it

maybe its just symbolic with that ending showing life still does exist in the universe after the big reaper fight

Well, what do I know, if I'd got a beloved science-fiction setting which I had set up over the course of several years, I wouldn't kick out its legs beneath it. But then I am not a writer at BioWare. Surely writers of big stories never make stupid mistakes and ruin a story.

Oh, wait, they totally do all the time.

Honestly, one would think that at least the doctors would have gone "Hmmm, is this wise?" when they saw what the endings would be. Or maybe they all suffer from a group delusion that these are actually good endings which will be universally acclaimed.

Not attacking you, btw., just expressing my general dissatisfaction with this entire situation.

Modifié par magnuskn, 04 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[Tazzmission]

 question

Are there any conversations between your squadmates/crew?

 answer


Yup, more interaction . For example,  Liara talks to Joker alot over the intercom

[N7BLAZEOGLORE]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Bubalo wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

The stream just leaked the Destroy ending:

Shepard and Anderson are transported aboard the Crucible - apparently, your squadmates may remain alive if you have enough Readiness points, and remain on Earth (although they're probably injured). Shepard finds Anderson at a console inside the Crucible, and the Illusive Man is there as well. Shep and IM have a conversation about the potential of the Reapers. There's an interrupt moment (where you might be able to save Anderson, if the leaked dialogue is any indication), and the conversation with the Crucible plays.

The dialogue is pretty much exactly the same as the leaked file, and the representation is a holographic(?) projection of the kid from the beginning of the game. Shepard goes to destroy something and fires several bullets from his pistol into it, igniting the Crucible and sending the beam out.

The Normandy lands on a planet that has jungle foliage. In the playthrough, the streamer got a bad end - the scene cuts just before the airlock fully opens. Epilogue plays the same, and ends a declaration that the story can continue through "further gameplay and downloadable content".

END OF LINE

So the squad-mates you bring with you to Earth are not transported back to the Normandy? 

The last time you see them, they're laying on the ground near the beam leading up to the Crucible. Apparently, there's a "good" outcome for them if you have enough points.

http://images.4chan....30887432390.png

Knowing that your squad-mates you bring remain on Earth makes the ending more bareable, the Normandy thing still sucks though. 

It most certainly would, but we have no confirmation of this.

But we do have confirmation that you can still enjoy a Coke Zero after allthis

[panamakira]

magnuskn wrote...

panamakira wrote...

I pretty much would like a DESTROY ending that would leave me with all relays intact or some sort of equally advance technology that would replace the galaxy's current space travel.

That seems too much to ask.

Honestly, a proper ending would have given us a long epilogue, some idea what the future of the Mass Effect universe would be, proper send-offs for the crew and Shepard... I really don't know what BioWare was thinking. "How can we most easily tank our hot science-fiction property? Oh, right, super-depressing endings and nuking the entire setting!" seems really a pretty dumb way to go.

Yeah I know....but they needed to make it "cinematic" which is fine whatever but I'm still bitter that the only way to save the relays or keep all races in communication is by the "Synergy" ending which is BS. The Reapers GOT TO GO. I want an option to keep some of what made the Mass Effect universe awesome intact....so yeah I'd like the Turians and Salarians and Humans to be able to travel across each other's planets, without sacrificing half of what makes them organic in the first place.

Don't even get me started about Shep and the crew's endings but man destroying the galactic community this way is what gets me the most. 

Modifié par panamakira, 04 mars 2012 - 07:47 .

[Lt.Romic]

Ok but can someone explain to me this talk of a grandpa and story trash?

[Tazzmission]

magnuskn wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i believe thats what the grandfather ending is for now that i think of it

maybe its just symbolic with that ending showing life still does exist in the universe after the big reaper fight

Well, what do I know, if I'd got a beloved science-fiction setting which I had set up over the course of several years, I would kick out its legs beneath it. But then I am not a writer at BioWare. Surely writers of big stories never make stupid mistakes and ruin a story.

Oh, wait, they totally do all the time.

Honestly, one would think that at least the doctors would have gone "Hmmm, is this wise?" when they saw what the endings would be. Or maybe they all suffer from a group delusion that these are actually good endings which will be universally acclaimed.

Not attacking you, btw., just expressing my general dissatisfaction with this entire situation.

or maybe they just ran out of ideas ya know?

believe it or not that is possible no matter how good a writter can be

we also have to remember there still recovering from the old republic deal as well so hey things happen

and i know your not attacking me so no worries

[Candidate 88766]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

They don't care about stopping war - they only want to prevent organic life becoming entirely extinct.

The only way for organic life to become extinct would be to destroy the universe.

So ultimately, the Reapers have to protect the universe. Not the creatures within it.

Organic life within the Milky Way can be destroyed.