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[Efesell]

Eh, I'm pretty okay with the idea behind these endings.

Probably more so when actually seen in context, and not just details read between the lines of angry internet people.

[Elegana]

So, there's some hope for your squadmates on Earth... Hope that stands true.

[albertalad]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

War is basically inevitable, and the Reapers believed the Cycle was the only way to prevent the singularity while allowing life to exist.

This is where my understanding of the cycle falters.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life. While attempting to also preserve the universe in all it's glory, by preventing galatic wars.

Now, Organics in and of themselves are the ultimate creation of war. We're driven by things, be it belief, greed, or need, to wage war on other creatures. Be them Organic or Synthetic. War will always ultimately lead to the decimation of life and destruction of the universe. ( Or at least a large portion of the universe. )

Organics will always wage war. War will always lead to destruction of life and land.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life, but prevent the destruction of the universe, which would ultimately come about through war.

You see the problem?

You can't prevent war, without removing the Organic element.
You either have to pick the preservation of the universe or the preservation of Organic Life.
You can't have both.

Yes, its the we kill them to save them while making more of ourselves from their bodies. Heck that flies in the face of what Sheppard accomplish - he was on the verge of bring peace between synthetics and organics. The council was bringing peace and law and order to the Galaxy - very, very few conflict remaind that could not have been solved. The Reaper thinking, or lack thereof, is dead wrong. Moreover, the Specters were that peace enforcement branch actually making peace - and doing a very good job!

[magnuskn]

Tazzmission wrote...

or maybe they just ran out of ideas ya know?

believe it or not that is possible no matter how good a writter can be

we also have to remember there still recovering from the old republic deal as well so hey things happen

and i know your not attacking me so no worries

I don't know how they could so totally run out of ideas as a group as to come to the group conclusion that destroying their new IP is the best way to go. It seems incomprehensible to me.

I mean, they had to know that this would anger a very, very large number of their current costumers, right? 

I don't know. I simply don't understand these people anymore. If I ever did.

[DeinonSlayer]

albertalad wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

War is basically inevitable, and the Reapers believed the Cycle was the only way to prevent the singularity while allowing life to exist.

This is where my understanding of the cycle falters.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life. While attempting to also preserve the universe in all it's glory, by preventing galatic wars.

Now, Organics in and of themselves are the ultimate creation of war. We're driven by things, be it belief, greed, or need, to wage war on other creatures. Be them Organic or Synthetic. War will always ultimately lead to the decimation of life and destruction of the universe. ( Or at least a large portion of the universe. )

Organics will always wage war. War will always lead to destruction of life and land.

The Reapers seek to preserve Organic life, but prevent the destruction of the universe, which would ultimately come about through war.

You see the problem?

You can't prevent war, without removing the Organic element.
You either have to pick the preservation of the universe or the preservation of Organic Life.
You can't have both.

Yes, its the we kill them to save them while making more of ourselves from their bodies. Heck that flies in the face of what Sheppard accomplish - he was on the verge of bring peace between synthetics and organics. The council was bringing peace and law and order to the Galaxy - very, very few conflict remaind that could not have been solved. The Reaper thinking, or lack thereof, is dead wrong. Moreover, the Specters were that peace enforcement branch actually making peace - and doing a very good job!

It'd be nice if we could throw Geth peace in Catalyst's face at the end. Convince it that this singularity is not, in fact, inevitable, and organics and synthetics are capable of coexisting. That way the Reapers can butt the hell out and let us go our own way...

[YorickMori]

To anyone who is in denial, and believes that these notorious FUGLY endings are FAKE.

Modifié par YorickMori, 04 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[magnuskn]

albertalad wrote...

Yes, its the we kill them to save them while making more of ourselves from their bodies. Heck that flies in the face of what Sheppard accomplish - he was on the verge of bring peace between synthetics and organics. The council was bringing peace and law and order to the Galaxy - very, very few conflict remaind that could not have been solved. The Reaper thinking, or lack thereof, is dead wrong. Moreover, the Specters were that peace enforcement branch actually making peace - and doing a very good job!

Aside from the fact that the Reapers were only monitoring this galaxy. If they were thinking on such a vastly colossal scale, they would have needed to send Reapers to other galaxies, too, so that the synthetic threat couldn't come from outside their own "jurisdiction".

[Efesell]

My only real issue is that the acting gets real bad.

[Bionic Weapon]

Ok so heres how I understand this:

4,000 readiness saved Anderson. Shep lives

5,000 readiness don't save Anderson, Shep lives

So I assume if you have 4000 and don't save him, you die, but of you have 5,000 and don't save/ or you do save him you live either way?

[albertalad]

I wonder why all the Space copies never stumbled onto this? Surely not every single one of them were this incompetent that not a single one of them figured this out for themselves.

[Goose1004]

YorickMori wrote...

To anyone who is in denial, and believes that these notorious FUGLY endings are FAKE.

I was just about to post that too!

And I will anyways!

This is a new video of the Destroy Ending
 

Modifié par Goose1004, 04 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Tazzmission]

well heres some answers


i like it even though im not fond of the music

[KMYash]

Siegdrifa wrote...
snip for length

Amazing post and I agree. For my 'canon' Shep the ideal ending would be one where at the end she gets to go out quietly. She fights because she believes everyone should have the chance to have a happy, peaceful life but she also wants one for herself if she can manage it.

Still, I appreciate the heroic sacrifice endings, they're classics. But saying that a hero needs to die in some sort of glorious blaze because they couldn't stand a normal life seems, well, less heroic.Then it appears that the hero isn't fighting for a cause but for a need to fighting/chaos/violence. If you're playing renegade that might be great but not for everyone (renegades, paragons, and anything in between). Personally I think that a heroic sacrifice is all the more effective when they are striving for that peace that they can't achive. 

[Nerevar-as]

magnuskn wrote...

albertalad wrote...

Yes, its the we kill them to save them while making more of ourselves from their bodies. Heck that flies in the face of what Sheppard accomplish - he was on the verge of bring peace between synthetics and organics. The council was bringing peace and law and order to the Galaxy - very, very few conflict remaind that could not have been solved. The Reaper thinking, or lack thereof, is dead wrong. Moreover, the Specters were that peace enforcement branch actually making peace - and doing a very good job!

Aside from the fact that the Reapers were only monitoring this galaxy. If they were thinking on such a vastly colossal scale, they would have needed to send Reapers to other galaxies, too, so that the synthetic threat couldn't come from outside their own "jurisdiction".

Now you mention it, who is to say they didn´t? They are older than 37.000.000 years, I think Andromeda is 2.000.000 ly from the Milky Way, and Reaper FTL is rather fast if we go by ME2 final video.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kanmuru wrote...

STOP saying all the endings are the same

The endings are all the same.

[Reorte]

Elegana wrote...

So, there's some hope for your squadmates on Earth... Hope that stands true.

If that means that you'll definitely have two characters of your choice with you at the end (assuming you've made the right decisions earlier) I might find it just about tolerable. This whole ending thing has massively put me off getting the game ASAP though. What I have heard has made me feel like if I was Shepard and survived I'd put my gun to my head anyway, and that's not something I want to play towards.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2.

I was preparing for a war against the Reapers, to wipe them out and end their threat forever.

Instead, we get Space Magic McGuffin and The Bad Guys Are The Good Guys. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aesieru wrote...

The Technology Singularity is the key.

The rapture for nerds? 

LoL.  It's a tired cliche in fiction at this point, and despite Mr Kurzweil's ravings, has no basis in reality.

[Rob_K1]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2.

I was preparing for a war against the Reapers, to wipe them out and end their threat forever.

Instead, we get Space Magic McGuffin and The Bad Guys Are The Good Guys. 

I think it'd be more correct to say the reapers 'think' they're the good guys.

[Tazzmission]

 interesting

[Nerevar-as]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

Bioware took the series, where you were fighting to preserve all the races of the galaxy and turned the finale into, eh the Reapers aren't the bad guys, they are keeping us from annihilating ourselves - which was something I was afraid Bioware was going to do after ME2.

I was preparing for a war against the Reapers, to wipe them out and end their threat forever.

Instead, we get Space Magic McGuffin and The Bad Guys Are The Good Guys. 

Why do you believe that? So called good intentions doesn´t make someone good. Even Palpatine thought he was the best thing for the galaxy.

[Efesell]

Youtube comments have never, and never will be, right about anything.

[Rob_K1]

Tazzmission wrote...

 interesting

When exactly does that appear, btw? As I mentioned, could be hinting at post end-game DLC.
 
If anyone knows.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 04 mars 2012 - 08:08 .