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[Sargerus]

DifferentD17 wrote...

What irks me alot is that if they were planning this for years, then they've been lying for years.

Show me ONE quote from a BW dev saying that Shepard would have a happy rainbow ending in the series conclusion.

[Reorte]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Except that in the 'good' destroy ending, where Shep seems to live,  there is that hope I think. Faint maybe, but there. I've heard that it's possible for your LI to be on Earth as long as they're squadmates for the last bit  - although I admit the info I'm getting is a bit confused, and also for Garrus and Tali to be war assets on Earth which is good if they're your LI. The fact that they apparently still appear on the Normandy regardless is, to me, clearly a bug, and therefore something I can fairly easily disregard (though definitely want fixed). That being the case, both Shep & LI are on Earth and alive, therefore there is an implication of a possible happy ending ...

I hope that's right but I'm going to wait and see before I buy. And I suppose a rescue is technically possible although the godawful sounding epilogue (which sounds like it's awful even if you like the general gist of the endings).

It does however suggest that the most you can hope for Shep & LI is the knowledge they're together instead of any actual scene or dialogue, and call me sad if you will but that's the goal I've been playing towards, rather than some abstract "Yay, no more Reaper problems". That would give me a feeling of success and reward, and because this is a game that's what I expect at the end. It isn't reality, where saving everyone else would have a lot more impact.

[Jackal7713]

AdhamS wrote...

This is the link for the Petition....guys spread it ON EVERY DAMN FORUM/ WEBSITE AND TO YOUR FRIENDS!

Yes Bioware won this round-they (hopefully) would release a DLC with the continuation of the storyline after the ending (hopefully for free but who am I kidding?!)

NEXT ROUND WE WIN! That DLC will be the last product we ever buy from Bioware! Atleast we got a satisfying end for our Shepard and his crew via the DLC!

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

Join Us !

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aesieru wrote...

Technological Singularity.

If you look past your bias and the characters themselves, you'll see it all fits, maybe not as snuggly as the previous dark-energy ending but this does fit, and it makes sense, and the Reapers were never just "bad guys", you didn't know anything about them except their subtle alluded to motives.

Are you still going on about that crap? 

For those who don't know, "the singularity" is just the rapture for nerds, religious nonsense painted over to look scientific, with a high prophet who cherry-picks his datapoints to make his case look like more than wishful thinking. 

The Reapers were always nothing more than arrogant, self-righteous monsters, and never will be anything else. 


(EDIT for a couple typos.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 04 mars 2012 - 11:37 .

[Hexxys]

This thread is getting way off-topic. The point is that Bioware said we'd be able to forge our own ending through the choices we make. Aside from the fact that they're using a horrible plot device to achieve the desired effect, I actually have no issue with a negative or "bittersweet" ending-- as long as it is one of many possible outcomes. There should be a happy ending, a sad ending, a bittersweet ending, and whatever else.

The problem is, there really is only one ending. It just happens to have slight deviations in the road to get there.

[Eagle301]

Jackal7713 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

This is the link for the Petition....guys spread it ON EVERY DAMN FORUM/ WEBSITE AND TO YOUR FRIENDS!

Yes Bioware won this round-they (hopefully) would release a DLC with the continuation of the storyline after the ending (hopefully for free but who am I kidding?!)

NEXT ROUND WE WIN! That DLC will be the last product we ever buy from Bioware! Atleast we got a satisfying end for our Shepard and his crew via the DLC!

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

Join Us !

We have confirmed informations that in every ending in Mass Effect 3
Normandy will crash on remote planet and shepard will b separated from
his crw, lov interst and friends.



We want ending where Shepard is at least with his love interest together!

Yes, because BW takes petitions seriously when you can't spell "be" correctly.

Modifié par Eagle301, 04 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Sargerus]

Jackal7713 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

This is the link for the Petition....guys spread it ON EVERY DAMN FORUM/ WEBSITE AND TO YOUR FRIENDS!

Yes Bioware won this round-they (hopefully) would release a DLC with the continuation of the storyline after the ending (hopefully for free but who am I kidding?!)

NEXT ROUND WE WIN! That DLC will be the last product we ever buy from Bioware! Atleast we got a satisfying end for our Shepard and his crew via the DLC!

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

Join Us !

Petitions DOESN'T work, remember a week ago the petition requesting the From Ashes DLC to be released for free?

http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

Modifié par Sargerus, 04 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[Broder O]

Lana Del Rey wrote...

fresh101 wrote...

I am not attackinig anybody here, nut I will pu some of the stuff, of what have been promised to be delivered, and what we have get:

1) we have been promised multiple DIFERENT endings, where our choices MATTERED and we got this:


2) we have been promised that ROLE-PLAYING MODE, would be just that, and we get, enormous amount of auto dialog in that mode, where Shepard just would not shut up,and here is an example, just watch careffuly:

p.s. also in this video is shown the lack of conversation options, there were mostly 3 options without investigate, and neutral option

3) we were promised better graphic and cinematic, or at least should expect in 2012 we wouldn't have to watch  minecraft people in AAA title:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xverS30ipL0

4 ) we have been promised a triling conclusion of trilogy, and we get Deus Ex PUSH THE BUTTON THAT DOES EVERYTHING ENDING with little differations, because in all endings mass relays get destroyed and your crew strangels in LOST series

5) and finally one of the things that wasn't promised, but we as a fans have expected  it:
a plot of this final story to be at least as good as in MASS EFFECT, and we get a plot that doesn't make sense, and is not even worthy of mentioning, it's just plane simple bad writing and lack of anykind of an idea


So conclusion:

They ruin the SAGA:o

I have never belive this game was meant to be a trilogy, no matter how many times they said it did, to support this claim, just look the lack of imagination in writing, and holes in lore of this narrative;

Also it's clear now that BioWare pushing this to be "GREAT START TO JUMP IN MASS EFFECT SERIES" has cost, and strip this game of hers core, insted of deepening the story they have dumb it down so that n00bs could play this, and finally:

I undestand that they can't, and will not comment this game until it is officially relised, but after 6-th march, Bioware should make an official apology to the fans and communty, and somehow punished those who are responsible for this disaster

It's at least what they can do:mellow:

This auto-dialogue thing, are you sure he didn't pick that ''action'' option, or ''all choices are made for you''? Because this was streamed live, and seeing how he plays, can't say this guy cares that much about choices, or anything.

There has been no videos or even claims by people who have played it that there are more interactive dialogues..
The ones that give you a choice gives you paragon or renegade.. no investigation, no branching, no middle ground..
This seems to be the facts..

Abandon all hope..

[Efesell]

I feel confident is assuming, along with many others, that the squad members magically teleporting to the Normandy is probably not an intended thing. So not too worried about that either.

[Reorte]

rtv053 wrote...

We HAVE influenced the story. A story is a journey, and we have influenced that every step of the way. We have made our own Shepards, and carved out our own story inside an elaborate and fascinating universe.

What people don't seem to realise however is that Bioware have very cleverly constructed an illusion of choice throughout the series, where we have made seemingly huge decisions, but where the ultimate end in any given situation is nearly the same.

Whether or not you killed the Rachni Queen, you still killed Benezia and found out the coordinates of the mass relay. Whether you saved the Council or let them die, you still defeated Sovereign. Whether you pulled your whole team through the suicide mission, or let nearly everybody die, you still ended the Collector threat. In every scenario, in every piece of narrative, we have always altered the path of our story, but never the destination. Why should we have expected any different for the narrative as a whole?

As for the endings being a downer, that truly comes down to a matter of interpretation.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that that was to keep things reasonably under control and that it would branch out in ME3 where there was no need to worry about continuity into the next game.

[Nerevar-as]

blueruin wrote...

I don't know why people keep saying the Normandy crew is that small.  It's true that you may not actually see the character models for 100+ people in the game, but Joker said that most of the SR1 crew survived.  You collected 20 dogtags when revisiting the SR1 crash.  

And I thought the SR2 was considerably bigger than the SR1.

Count the people on board the SR1 after the intro in ME1. XO says it´s a full crew. Who we see is everybody there´s on board in normal circumstances. The number in ME2 didn´t make much sense, not for a ship that small.

Establishing a viable colony without inbreeding problem takes hundreds of people, maybe more. The SR2 will have tens at best. Someone said more ships crashed on the planet, but no idea if it´s true. It didn´t happen in the stream maximum fail ending.

[rtv053]

albertalad wrote...

I didn't play the galactic community - that is an abstract point having little connection to the Sheppard of ME1 and 2. In fact that same glactic community called my Sheppard a traitor, his friends turned their backs on him, the Alliance jailed him and was on the verge of trying him -

Sheppard made all the hard decisions while the glactic community sat back and scorned him - further removing Sheppard from galactic community wisdom, or lack thereof - Sheppard's PERSONAL struggle is a very personal struggle with very personal team-mates and love interests.

The glactic community means nothing to me what so ever. Sheppard, his love interests, his team-mates are MY struggle. They are my interests - killing Reapers is just part of that journey! And what happens to Shppard and his teams, loved ones ARE my primary concerns. The rest of the galaxy now has THIER chance to step into the breech and do their part - and its about time some of those paid the price for a change.

And the fact that Shepard, no matter how we play him, continues to fight for survival - be that his own, his friends, the galaxy, whoever - through all that scorn and criticism just goes to show us something; he is incredibly strong-willed, so strong-willed that I don't think he'd sit up in the middle of all that rubble in London and start ****ing about how he'll never see his LI ever again. I think that my Shepard would get up off his arse and do what he has been doing for the last three games - start helping.

And the rest of the galaxy HAS paid the price for a change - nearly everybody's lives will have been irrevocably changed by the destruction of the mass relays, by the eradication of planets and solar systems, by the potential genocide of entire species. To ask that Shepard NOT be a part of that galactic sacrifice is selfish.

[Candidate 88766]

rtv053 wrote...

I've been eagerly following the conversations on this board ever since I heard about the leaks. I understand people's frustrations, but at the same time, I can't agree with them. I hope that I'll be able to expand upon the following in more exacting detail in some kind of essay post eventually, but here's my two pence.

1) One issue that people seem to have is that the ME universe is fundamentally altered by the destruction of the mass relays, and the subsequent fracturing of the galactic community. But this is what great sci-fi does; it shows change, often on a galactic or universal scale.

And in many ways, this was the only logical endpoint of the series. Manuel at the dig site in ME1 prophesised the end of humanity/the coming of a dark age, and in all the endings, that is more or less what we get. The Reapers created the mass relays to control the way species evolve - so we had to destroy them and find our own path. Legion says pretty much the same thing about the Geth, wanting to find their own way outside of the destiny that might be intended by whoever came before, be it the Quarians or the Reapers.

2) People seem most aggravated by the fact that it is not possible to rescue the Normandy crew from their fate, and furthermore, that if Shepard lives, he is forever seperated from those that he has come to care about most. But why is this wrong?

What is this sense of entitlement that we fans have? Why do we feel that Shepard should be the ONLY person in the entire galaxy who does not lose something in this war? Because, ultimately, if Shepard were able to survive and become reunited with his crew, then truly they would have made no sacrifice at all. With the destruction of the mass relays, so many people all across the galaxy have been, for the foreseeable future, irrevocably seperated in space and time from loved ones, friends, family, homes, jobs, home worlds... if Shepard and the crew of the Normandy did not share in this sacrifice, then all their efforts would be cheapened.

Why is it expected that Shepard should be perfectly happy? What is truly important is that, however battered and broken it may be, the galactic community, and humanity in particular, have survived, and have the opportunity to prosper.

I'll continue to reserve my judgment until I've played and finished the game, but from all I've read, this sounds like a near-perfect ending to a near-perfect gaming series, and one that - however divisive it may eventually become - has touched all of our lives.

I agree with most of this. I disagree that its a perfect ending though. The endings aren't explained at all, and seem to pretty much rely on magic. The idea of the Normandy founding a colony is ridiculous. And the fact that the Guardian takes the form of that boy from the opening is just so forced as to be silly. These three things almost ruin the endings for me.

The mood of the endings is perfect for the Reaper war imo though. 

I also like that the Relays had to be lost to defeat the Reapers. The Reapers are meant to be our superior in every possible way. We didn't bother to prepare for them - depsite warnings - and only secured victory using a device that countless civilizations died to bring to fruition. It would have been a disservice to the plot and the threat of the Reapers if this was a war where everything could simply go back to the way it was afterwards. The Citadel would've been lost and some species virtually eradicated, but 50 years down the line most things would be back to normal. Thats not what the aftermath of a war with the Reapers should be. With the Relays gone, galactic society is wiped out. Individual species will flourish and develop on their own, but a galactic-scale society will not exist for hundreds of years. The Reaper war will leave its mark for centuries. Having an ending where Shepard and his crew can simply go and live on as though nothing has happened would be a colossal disservice to the plot imo.

With the endings as they are, Bioware has made the Reapers more menacing than I thought possible. Even with the combined fleets of a galaxy, and a weapon that has been in the making for millennia, the Reapers almost win. Galactic society is destroyed. There is hope - your choices decide how many species will live on after this war, seperated by vast expanses of space and yet united in their victory - but the aftermath of the war will still have repercussions centuries down the line.

I'm glad Bioware at least tried to do something more mature than so many other games. They actually created a war story where victory really does come at a terrible cost; while there may yet be hope, there is none for Shepard. its an absolute gut punch of a twist - making the player give up everything they grown attached to in order to stop the Reapers. It could've been one of the greatest videogame endings imo. As it is, they haven't quite pulled it off - the lack of explanation, the Normandy's fate and the form of the Guardian all detract from it until it becomes an amazing idea poorly executed.

[Aramintai]

This guy here has uploaded rather large chunk of gameplay:
www.youtube.com/user/Rockkkyyyyyyyyyyyyyy/feed

Looks imported with Ash as a LI. Looking good.

Modifié par Aramintai, 04 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Jackal7713]

Eagle301 wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

AdhamS wrote...

This is the link for the Petition....guys spread it ON EVERY DAMN FORUM/ WEBSITE AND TO YOUR FRIENDS!

Yes Bioware won this round-they (hopefully) would release a DLC with the continuation of the storyline after the ending (hopefully for free but who am I kidding?!)

NEXT ROUND WE WIN! That DLC will be the last product we ever buy from Bioware! Atleast we got a satisfying end for our Shepard and his crew via the DLC!

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

Join Us !

We have confirmed informations that in every ending in Mass Effect 3
Normandy will crash on remote planet and shepard will b separated from
his crw, lov interst and friends.



We want ending where Shepard is at least with his love interest together!

Yes, because BW takes petitions seriously when you can't spell "be" correctly.

-3/10 step up your game troll.

Edit: I didn't author this petition. I'm only helping fellow players who feel the same way I do.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 04 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Seems the days of BW listening to fans are gone indeed (e.g. Imoen)... or doing any play testing at all or employing people with common sense (Fallout 3 ending required fix DLC, but I'm sure we'll be fine...), for that matter

[Victia]

Hey guys, has there been any news about this NG+ ending today? (she says with false hope in her voice lol)

[DifferentD17]

Sargerus wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

What irks me alot is that if they were planning this for years, then they've been lying for years.

Show me ONE quote from a BW dev saying that Shepard would have a happy rainbow ending in the series conclusion.

Who said I said they said that there would be happy ending? Geez jumping on me for no reason really in defense of this bad ending are you? They said they've been planning the ending for a long time.

[noxsachi]

I am honestly kind of shocked at how these endings are playing. I appreciate that they have to have impact, that this is a huge fight. But some of the choices are simply mind bogglingly bad and designed to get everyone pissed off. I am honestly shocked we do not get anything even approaching Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann in quality, and instead are down in the Battlestar Blues, where every ending leaves everyone disappointed.

Spoilers for TTGL follow;

(The ending )
In that series the protagonists end up fighting in a situation similar to Shepard's in that there is a force wanting to destroy them for the good of the universe. Sacrifices are made, with many of Simons friends dying before they eventually win. A big theme of that show is that they will find a better way, and Simon says as much as he defeats the bad guy, with him being like "If you kill me, protect the universe." Which well the parallels between that and the reapers are obvious. In the aftermath Simon's girlfriend dies, but they get a good send off together, and while things are bittersweet for Simon he has saved the universe. Shepard doesn't even get that, which is really a big issue.

Modifié par noxsachi, 04 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[fresh101]

Lana Del Rey wrote...

fresh101 wrote...

I am not attackinig anybody here, nut I will pu some of the stuff, of what have been promised to be delivered, and what we have get:

1) we have been promised multiple DIFERENT endings, where our choices MATTERED and we got this:


2) we have been promised that ROLE-PLAYING MODE, would be just that, and we get, enormous amount of auto dialog in that mode, where Shepard just would not shut up,and here is an example, just watch careffuly:

p.s. also in this video is shown the lack of conversation options, there were mostly 3 options without investigate, and neutral option

3) we were promised better graphic and cinematic, or at least should expect in 2012 we wouldn't have to watch  minecraft people in AAA title:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xverS30ipL0

4 ) we have been promised a triling conclusion of trilogy, and we get Deus Ex PUSH THE BUTTON THAT DOES EVERYTHING ENDING with little differations, because in all endings mass relays get destroyed and your crew strangels in LOST series

5) and finally one of the things that wasn't promised, but we as a fans have expected  it:
a plot of this final story to be at least as good as in MASS EFFECT, and we get a plot that doesn't make sense, and is not even worthy of mentioning, it's just plane simple bad writing and lack of anykind of an idea


So conclusion:

They ruin the SAGA:o

I have never belive this game was meant to be a trilogy, no matter how many times they said it did, to support this claim, just look the lack of imagination in writing, and holes in lore of this narrative;

Also it's clear now that BioWare pushing this to be "GREAT START TO JUMP IN MASS EFFECT SERIES" has cost, and strip this game of hers core, insted of deepening the story they have dumb it down so that n00bs could play this, and finally:

I undestand that they can't, and will not comment this game until it is officially relised, but after 6-th march, Bioware should make an official apology to the fans and communty, and somehow punished those who are responsible for this disaster

It's at least what they can do:mellow:

This auto-dialogue thing, are you sure he didn't pick that ''action'' option, or ''all choices are made for you''? Because this was streamed live, and seeing how he plays, can't say this guy cares that much about choices, or anything.

90% sure, look sure, this guy play this like it's COD, but think about it, if it's action mode all the choices would be done automaticly, there wouldn't be options to pick, if it was story mode it would be, but difficulty would be reduced so this is it, also if you do not bellive me check this : Mass Effect 3 Review/Impressions from a Fan.
it's a little down the page

[Sargerus]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Sargerus wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

What irks me alot is that if they were planning this for years, then they've been lying for years.

Show me ONE quote from a BW dev saying that Shepard would have a happy rainbow ending in the series conclusion.

Who said I said they said that there would be happy ending? Geez jumping on me for no reason really in defense of this bad ending are you? They said they've been planning the ending for a long time.

So, why you are saying they are lying? Your logic is flawed.

Modifié par Sargerus, 04 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[AllThatJazz]

DuckSoup wrote...

Smecky Kitteh wrote...

Go away Gem! D:<

Aww, don't get all mad. Put a lampshade on your head. 

... and a deckchair up your nose?

[Sargerus]

Also, the "omg only one ending!!" doesn't work here. both previous games also had only ONe ending in general:


ME1: Shepard kills Saren/Sovereign, save the Citadel

ME2: Shepard kill the Collectors

Modifié par Sargerus, 04 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[rtv053]

[/quote]

"I'm sure I've read somewhere that [the illusion of choice] was to keep things reasonably under control and that it would branch out in ME3 where there was no need to worry about continuity into the next game."

[/quote]

Yes, mechanically speaking, that is the reason. And we've always known that, and should have always understood the far-reaching implications of the limitations that this particular style of storytelling imposes.

Modifié par rtv053, 04 mars 2012 - 10:26 .