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[jedisolo]

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

[Quartof]

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

I admit. I enjoyed Dragon Age 2.

But it doesn't change that the game was a huge mess.

[Obidex]

Elegana wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Obidex wrote...

Apparently there is a happy ending with Normandy good, Relays intact, Shepard alive, and Reapers dead. Just got brought up in http://social.biowar...7303/12#9524961

The source of that ending is from the Prima Strategy guide. 

Actually, I'd like to see the post where Novem says that because he outright said the guide doesn't give details of each ending.  It sounds like someone is paraphrasing him.

From what I gathered:

Pg 4: "The Perfect Ending is just that, "perfect". The ending below it also makes the galaxy "lollipops and sunshine"; kinda-sort"

So yeah, sounds like someone just made an assumption about it. I knew it was the Prima guy because Xio and Tank say there's no happy ending, but Novem (Prima Guy) says there's "7 endings", a "Perfect Ending" and an ending that makes the galaxy "lollipops and sunshine"

I hope either one of those endings exist, because as pathetic as it may sound I don't want a depressing end. I play these for heroic moments where if I have all my S*** together I can save the entire day like the end of ME2.  

Here is hoping 

[RiouHotaru]

Capeo wrote...

From tanks pastebin post: "There are seven outcomes: four for Destroy, two for Control, one for Merge."

That gels with Novem.  Six regular, one NG+.

I don't get this, why are there FOUR different Destroy endings?  How many variations can you have, unless ONE of them is the "Destroy without ruining the galactic community"

And I'll admit, after my rant earlier about the fact I think the people posting the spoilers are trolling us hardcore, I did realize that we aren't getting a CONTEXT.  Xio said that for him, the Merge ending felt complete for him.  We're looking at it and going "Oh HELL no!" because we don't have the context that he did.

Also my problem isn't with the endings themselves, so much as Bioware radically moving away from the previous' installments.  In ME1, saving the Council or killing them were equally valid, and still resulted in victory regardless (just different flavors of victory).  Both Paragons and Renegades got their ending.

ME2 did the same thing.  Blowing up the base versus keeping it, both valid decisions, both allowing players the ending they desire.  I mean, some folks in ME2 purposefully killed members of their team to make the SM a more "realistic experience", but the game allowed you to save them all.

ME3 seems to completely remove that.  We're given a selection of endings with seemingly no positive outcome besides "Hey, you stopped the Reapers!"  And before anyone gives me the whole "But that IS the good ending!" I'll point out the fact stopping the Reapers is inevitable.  Bioware removed the "Reapers Win" scenario, so Shepard stops them no matter what the fashion.

WHY then would they remove the ability to achieve an "optimal" ending (aka, Shepard alive, galaxy mostly intact, relays intact, etc, etc)?  People are going to pick whatever ending suits them, but suddenly all the endings appear to be various shades of depressing or downright bad.

Unless Bioware is planning an Awakening/Witch Hunt style continuation (which I'll note gives me mixed feeling since Awakening completely negates an ending and Witch Hunt only occurs in ONE particular ending), we're basically picking between a rock and a hard place.

What kind of choice is that?  Before, people would pick the ending that suited them, and it was acceptable because it was their canon.  They saved the Council, they blew up the base, they saved their squad or let them die.  Now, we get our pick of endings, but all them end with the removal of Shepard from the story in a manner that many feel doesn't fit.

Would it have been hard to say: "Shepard stops the Reapers, saves the galaxy, gets the girl/man, retires to someplace nice.  The end."  That removes Shepard from the story without forcing a permanent separation.

[Big I]

Nyaore wrote...
Mhm. In a weird way I'm sort of glad I spoiled myself this way, should the rumors prove true. It'll make the blow much less gut wrenching when it happens.
That said, I'm NOT looking forward to seeing how this forum is going to turn out a few days after the game drops. The DA2 debacle is going to look like a preschool brawl by comparison.

This. I'm glad I know what happens. I don't like to think about what my reaction would have been going into it cold.

[Dragonfable of Dain]

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

[casedawgz]

Yeah, it didn't feel implausible when i got everyone through the suicide mission alive, because it was really intense, it was a lot of work, and goddammit I'm Commander Shepard.

[Deathspinkshadow]

Nyaore wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

I'm NOT looking forward to seeing how this forum is going to turn out a few days after the game drops. The DA2 debacle is going to look like a preschool brawl by comparison.

Sh*t is going to get real. I'm actually scared for BioWare.

I'm feeling much the same way. Hopefully the endings, if they are true, are handled as well as people are claiming they are. Otherwise the latent rage that's been building ever since ME2 was released with DA2 hot on it's heels is going to boil over in the worst way possible. 

WORST CASE SCENARIO
 If, IF, the endings turn out to be true and are not executed in a way that makes you feel that you at least accomplished something. . .I can see gamestops (and anyone else who deals in used games) 'round the globe being swamped with Bioware games from every system and franchise, the BSN deserted aside from even worse never-ending flame-wars. ANd then those of us who know how to cripple a website. . .*shivers* It would be a dark, dark day indeed for not only Bioware, but for story-driven gamers everywhere. A cautionary tale that far eclipses the fallout from DA2.
Frankly, I don't think I could ever purchase from them again, neither could quite a few others. Trust, once completely broken, is something nearly impossible to repair.
*all the creys*

[Nyaore]

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

I liked the game, but many people didn't - and the resulting ****storm was massive and ongoing. I still see people getting into verbal fights over the game now, long after the controversey has since cooled. It's pretty much the most devisive title Bioware has put out in recent memory, and caused a lot of people to lose faith in the company. If these endings are real, you can bet the lingering resentments from that game are going to come to a head.

[Mims]

I am very glad I know. This is pretty much the reason I read spoilers. This way I am already armed with some sort of magical fanfiction retcon at the ready in my head. I have no doubt the game will be awesome besides the endings.

[eye basher]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Nyaore wrote...
Mhm. In a weird way I'm sort of glad I spoiled myself this way, should the rumors prove true. It'll make the blow much less gut wrenching when it happens.
That said, I'm NOT looking forward to seeing how this forum is going to turn out a few days after the game drops. The DA2 debacle is going to look like a preschool brawl by comparison.

This. I'm glad I know what happens. I don't like to think about what my reaction would have been going into it cold.

WHAT! it's gonna be great even better than the whole protean thing all that hate in one place and people like me stoking the flames it's gonna be awesome.

[Fooxie]

Now that I think about it, I'm probably going to feel the same way about ME3's ending as I felt about the end of Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog - that "oh." hollow feeling and a very odd compulsion to do it all again.

All of this said as I'm loading up Dr. Horrible to watch again...

[Dunmer of Redoran]

It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

[Ianamus]

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

Yeah... things have really gone downhill. 

I just can't believe how they've managed to screw eveyone over. The character threads on the character and romance forum have pretty much shattered, and by a week after release the forum will look like Earth after the Reapers are done with it. 

The entire fanbase will be destoryed by this. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

EJ107 wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

Yeah... things have really gone downhill. 

I just can't believe how they've managed to screw eveyone over. The character threads on the character and romance forum have pretty much shattered, and by a week after release the forum will look like Earth after the Reapers are done with it. 

The entire fanbase will be destoryed by this. 

LOLOL someone else is making the Reaper comparisons now!

Check my other thread. You may find it amusing.

[Elegana]

DaftArbiter wrote...

It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

Like do what Bethesda did for Fallout 3 and give us a DLC that gives different endings? 

[Quartof]

blegh. never mind.

Modifié par Quartof, 29 février 2012 - 03:11 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Nyaore wrote...

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

I liked the game, but many people didn't - and the resulting ****storm was massive and ongoing. I still see people getting into verbal fights over the game now, long after the controversey has since cooled. It's pretty much the most devisive title Bioware has put out in recent memory, and caused a lot of people to lose faith in the company. If these endings are real, you can bet the lingering resentments from that game are going to come to a head.

I felt really let down by dragon age 2. I've tried to play it twice now, but i just can't get into it at all. It is the same place over and over again.

[Deathspinkshadow]

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

-Copy/Pasted repetitve enviroments
-Limited companion interaction and shallow development
-NOTHING YOU DO IN THE GAME ALTERS ONE DARN THING. (Wouldn't have minded if they hadn't played up the reactivity and BIG IMPORTANT CHOICES schpeel)

+Entertaining enough
+Hittin' stuffs with your mage stick
+Varric
+Hittin' stuffs with your mage stick. (What can I say? That was important to me.)

/end off-topic

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mims wrote...

I am very glad I know. This is pretty much the reason I read spoilers. This way I am already armed with some sort of magical fanfiction retcon at the ready in my head. I have no doubt the game will be awesome besides the endings.

This.

Normandy inbreeding doesn't happen, dammit.

[Elegana]

EJ107 wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

Yeah... things have really gone downhill. 

I just can't believe how they've managed to screw eveyone over. The character threads on the character and romance forum have pretty much shattered, and by a week after release the forum will look like Earth after the Reapers are done with it. 

The entire fanbase will be destoryed by this. 

Yeah, the Kaidan romance thread has fans leaving to avoid spoilers. 

...WAIT, GUYS. OMG. Seeing how people are leaving BSN, r/masseffect, and other places concerning ME3, this is like how supposedly people start leaving the Citadel! Haha! 

...Or they're evacuating for the ****storm. Either way. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Elegana wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

Like do what Bethesda did for Fallout 3 and give us a DLC that gives different endings? 

Exactly! I've been saying this since the leak. But that means doing what Bethesda's fans did: constantly raising hell with no end in sight.

[adneate]

DaftArbiter wrote...
It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

Pfft. They didn't release a non-suck patch for DA2 that made Act 3 make sense, they just dug their heels in as deep as possible and told everyone the game was great and they accomplished everything they wanted and they don't make games for you only for themselves.

The endings are a spit in the face and the only response you'll get from BioWare is another spit in the face. They don't care, they've had everyone kissing their asses for 10 plus years telling them they're the greatest story tellers in gaming and everything they've ever done is great. By now they just believe it, they're great and we plebians just don't get it cause we're too stupid.

[scotkrow]

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

I love you!  Dragon age two was a really good game, and has a nice story that will lead into an awesome climax in DA3.

[Mims]

My current status of fanficy delusion:

Destroy ending, Shepard survives. Shepard returns to earth, recovers. Meets up with some non-squaddies who are still on earth. Hijacks a ship, or is given one. [Somehow knows where the normandy is downed.] FTLs themselves to this location. Lands. Reunited. But hey, this is a sweet planet. Earth moves some refugees there. With all the trapped ships they've got plenty. Epilogue holds [mostly] true.

That or, control ending does what it is supposed to do and Shepard just goes to darkspace with reaper homies.