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[Rinji the Bearded]

GBGriffin wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Does anyone know what the Normandy is doing while Shepard is on Earth? That is, what is it doing before Shepard makes the big decision?

Fleeing to the Charon relay! 

LOL well, if the Normandy is fleeing immediately to the Charon relay while Shepard and his two squadmates are on Earth still fighting (after they were dropped off)... then yes, the two squadmates teleporting to the Normandy IS a bug.

If BW says it isn't a bug, then there are some really bad timing issues...

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 05 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Cobra's_back]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Putting this here as well.

This is what I was expecting, and speaking only for myself.

Perhaps, people should start talking about what they were expecting.

I wanted or was expecting at least 1 ending (the perfect and damn hard to get) where:
Galaxy wide:
All fleets are destroyed below 1/3 to 1/2 of their original size.
Home planets and colonies on various stages of destruction
Citadel and Mass Relays still in place (keeping galactic civilization still going)
- How many are saved or how severe the destruction is, depending on the way you played (collect the points!)

Squad/Normandy/Past Crew
I was expecting deaths, no matter what. We got Wrex and Mordin... and I would have expected a few more Virmire scenarios.
Treat this as the suicide mission, your actions greatly increase the chances of most of them surviving.
LI and Shepard get to be together in the end

Uncertainty: With the weakened stage of the galaxy, I could see someone raising the alarms that now the Terminus system could try something against Citadel Space. (This would also open the door for interesting post-war DLC that I would love to see...)

Rainbows and ponies right? -.- The only "Happy" thing is that in the midst of all the destruction, you were able to pull your team through and keep them alive (if some SHOULD be injured, mind you) and you end up with LI.

Now... that was what I was expecting for the most perfect possible ending, the one you should work hard to get.

Other endings? In all the others I was expecting for Shepard/most of the crew to die... simply you didn't prepared enough, you made sacrifices... maybe even some planets fully wiped out? yes. I could see the current endings on this category, a Pyrrhic victory. You destroy/control/merge and stop the current threat (and in destroy(merge the future, at least FROM the Reapers) but at the cost of Galactic Civilization.

And finally... even if you did all the critical plot missions but you didn't cared to raise your war assets, I was expecting for an ending with the Reapers wiping out EVERYTHING. Simply put, you were not prepared and the Galaxy payed the price. In fact I would really love to see an ending like this as one of the possible ones.


So, basically: Best Possible ending (hard to get), Worst possible Ending (Reapers win). Middle of the road endings (current ones fit here perfectly)

Oh, this seems rather in-line with what I was expecting, actually. I agree.

Tougher, more impactful choices, along with severe effort on the part of the player to "get things right/maximum possible score" which ultimately, no matter how bleak things looked, with billions killed, worlds crippled, armadas weakened and friends sacrificed, culminated in the fabric of the current Galactic Society remaining, along with the personal satisfaction of (most) of your team and your own character being able to live on and help rebuild the crippled Galaxy.

Totally agree. However BW didn't make this possible. The Teleport your team to the Normandy is silly.

[android654]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Putting this here as well.

This is what I was expecting, and speaking only for myself.

Perhaps, people should start talking about what they were expecting.

I wanted or was expecting at least 1 ending (the perfect and damn hard to get) where:
Galaxy wide:
All fleets are destroyed below 1/3 to 1/2 of their original size.
Home planets and colonies on various stages of destruction
Citadel and Mass Relays still in place (keeping galactic civilization still going)
- How many are saved or how severe the destruction is, depending on the way you played (collect the points!)

Squad/Normandy/Past Crew
I was expecting deaths, no matter what. We got Wrex and Mordin... and I would have expected a few more Virmire scenarios.
Treat this as the suicide mission, your actions greatly increase the chances of most of them surviving.
LI and Shepard get to be together in the end

Uncertainty: With the weakened stage of the galaxy, I could see someone raising the alarms that now the Terminus system could try something against Citadel Space. (This would also open the door for interesting post-war DLC that I would love to see...)

Rainbows and ponies right? -.- The only "Happy" thing is that in the midst of all the destruction, you were able to pull your team through and keep them alive (if some SHOULD be injured, mind you) and you end up with LI.

Now... that was what I was expecting for the most perfect possible ending, the one you should work hard to get.

Other endings? In all the others I was expecting for Shepard/most of the crew to die... simply you didn't prepared enough, you made sacrifices... maybe even some planets fully wiped out? yes. I could see the current endings on this category, a Pyrrhic victory. You destroy/control/merge and stop the current threat (and in destroy(merge the future, at least FROM the Reapers) but at the cost of Galactic Civilization.

And finally... even if you did all the critical plot missions but you didn't cared to raise your war assets, I was expecting for an ending with the Reapers wiping out EVERYTHING. Simply put, you were not prepared and the Galaxy payed the price. In fact I would really love to see an ending like this as one of the possible ones.


So, basically: Best Possible ending (hard to get), Worst possible Ending (Reapers win). Middle of the road endings (current ones fit here perfectly)

Oh, this seems rather in-line with what I was expecting, actually. I agree.

Tougher, more impactful choices, along with severe effort on the part of the player to "get things right/maximum possible score" which ultimately, no matter how bleak things looked, with billions killed, worlds crippled, armadas weakened and friends sacrificed, culminated in the fabric of the current Galactic Society remaining, along with the personal satisfaction of (most) of your team and your own character being able to live on and help rebuild the crippled Galaxy.

Totally agree. However BW didn't make this possible. The Teleport your team to the Normandy is silly.

Even more silly than having a kid be God and rationalize genocide?

[Killjoy Cutter]

android654 wrote...

Even more silly than having a kid be God and rationalize genocide?

Message of ME3 -- genocide, mass torture, mass enslavement, and so on... all "morally grey" as long as you have a "higher purpose". 

Whatever, Bioware.

[Nerevar-as]

android654 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Putting this here as well.

This is what I was expecting, and speaking only for myself.

Perhaps, people should start talking about what they were expecting.

I wanted or was expecting at least 1 ending (the perfect and damn hard to get) where:
Galaxy wide:
All fleets are destroyed below 1/3 to 1/2 of their original size.
Home planets and colonies on various stages of destruction
Citadel and Mass Relays still in place (keeping galactic civilization still going)
- How many are saved or how severe the destruction is, depending on the way you played (collect the points!)

Squad/Normandy/Past Crew
I was expecting deaths, no matter what. We got Wrex and Mordin... and I would have expected a few more Virmire scenarios.
Treat this as the suicide mission, your actions greatly increase the chances of most of them surviving.
LI and Shepard get to be together in the end

Uncertainty: With the weakened stage of the galaxy, I could see someone raising the alarms that now the Terminus system could try something against Citadel Space. (This would also open the door for interesting post-war DLC that I would love to see...)

Rainbows and ponies right? -.- The only "Happy" thing is that in the midst of all the destruction, you were able to pull your team through and keep them alive (if some SHOULD be injured, mind you) and you end up with LI.

Now... that was what I was expecting for the most perfect possible ending, the one you should work hard to get.

Other endings? In all the others I was expecting for Shepard/most of the crew to die... simply you didn't prepared enough, you made sacrifices... maybe even some planets fully wiped out? yes. I could see the current endings on this category, a Pyrrhic victory. You destroy/control/merge and stop the current threat (and in destroy(merge the future, at least FROM the Reapers) but at the cost of Galactic Civilization.

And finally... even if you did all the critical plot missions but you didn't cared to raise your war assets, I was expecting for an ending with the Reapers wiping out EVERYTHING. Simply put, you were not prepared and the Galaxy payed the price. In fact I would really love to see an ending like this as one of the possible ones.


So, basically: Best Possible ending (hard to get), Worst possible Ending (Reapers win). Middle of the road endings (current ones fit here perfectly)

Oh, this seems rather in-line with what I was expecting, actually. I agree.

Tougher, more impactful choices, along with severe effort on the part of the player to "get things right/maximum possible score" which ultimately, no matter how bleak things looked, with billions killed, worlds crippled, armadas weakened and friends sacrificed, culminated in the fabric of the current Galactic Society remaining, along with the personal satisfaction of (most) of your team and your own character being able to live on and help rebuild the crippled Galaxy.

Totally agree. However BW didn't make this possible. The Teleport your team to the Normandy is silly.

Even more silly than having a kid be God and rationalize genocide?

Genocide is always justified from the POV of the ones doing it. The kid isn´t how I would have represented the Guardian, but it can be taken as a move to get Shepard´s sympathy. Yet another reason not to trust anything it says.

[Killjoy Cutter]

[quote]ciaweth wrote...
[quote]Johnnycide wrote...
[quote]albertalad wrote...
[quote]Elegana wrote...

THat is somewhat a concern - the real issue is Sheppard deserves to live, with his crew, his friends, and with his L1. This cut scene BS is lazy, pointless, and dumb - just get me my opportunity for the above, that chance for life - we'll take care of rebuilding.
[/quote]

Actually I think it should be, Shepard deserves to live if he made the right choices. Shepard should get this craptastic ending if you played like a moron or wanted it. But then again that would be assuming your decisions actually matter.
[/quote]

And see, this is exactly what we got with ME2.  It's no surprise that people were expecting the same for ME3.
[/quote]

Agreed.  If the player does well, they should have the opportunity to save their character and most of the NPCs that character cares about. 

[android654]

Nerevar-as wrote...
Genocide is always justified from the POV of the ones doing it. The kid isn´t how I would have represented the Guardian, but it can be taken as a move to get Shepard´s sympathy. Yet another reason not to trust anything it says.

But I hate kids, and so does my cannon Shepard. I think the second he realized this kid was a thing, he'd shoot it. Someone will mod it eventually like they did with Fallout. Seriously I have no idea what made them think this was a good ending. I was quite fond of seeing the reapers as a force of nature rather than someone's idea of equilibrium. Also it's adorable that they tried to make the war between organics and synthetics seem like it was important, when it was given a back seat in the first two games.

[Rinji the Bearded]

My only real issue at this point? The teleporting bug (if it is indeed a bug). That's just silly.

But if it's not a bug? Then... *SIGH.*

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 05 mars 2012 - 03:03 .

[Super.Sid]

android654 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Genocide is always justified from the POV of the ones doing it. The kid isn´t how I would have represented the Guardian, but it can be taken as a move to get Shepard´s sympathy. Yet another reason not to trust anything it says.

But I hate kids, and so does my cannon Shepard. I think the second he realized this kid was a thing, he'd shoot it. Someone will mod it eventually like they did with Fallout. Seriously I have no idea what made them think this was a good ending. I was quite fond of seeing the reapers as a force of nature rather than someone's idea of equilibrium. Also it's adorable that they tried to make the war between organics and synthetics seem like it was important, when it was given a back seat in the first two games.

You hate them like this one ?

Modifié par Super.Sid, 05 mars 2012 - 03:03 .

[Super.Sid]

So after all this **** happening over the past few weeks and people coming to know about it, how do u think they will promote the game further pre-launch and post-launch.

[android654]

Super.Sid wrote...

android654 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...
Genocide is always justified from the POV of the ones doing it. The kid isn´t how I would have represented the Guardian, but it can be taken as a move to get Shepard´s sympathy. Yet another reason not to trust anything it says.

But I hate kids, and so does my cannon Shepard. I think the second he realized this kid was a thing, he'd shoot it. Someone will mod it eventually like they did with Fallout. Seriously I have no idea what made them think this was a good ending. I was quite fond of seeing the reapers as a force of nature rather than someone's idea of equilibrium. Also it's adorable that they tried to make the war between organics and synthetics seem like it was important, when it was given a back seat in the first two games.

You hate them like this one ?

Mommy doesn't love you, she hates you!

Memories...

[Cobra's_back]

android654 wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

Putting this here as well.

This is what I was expecting, and speaking only for myself.

Perhaps, people should start talking about what they were expecting.

I wanted or was expecting at least 1 ending (the perfect and damn hard to get) where:
Galaxy wide:
All fleets are destroyed below 1/3 to 1/2 of their original size.
Home planets and colonies on various stages of destruction
Citadel and Mass Relays still in place (keeping galactic civilization still going)
- How many are saved or how severe the destruction is, depending on the way you played (collect the points!)

Squad/Normandy/Past Crew
I was expecting deaths, no matter what. We got Wrex and Mordin... and I would have expected a few more Virmire scenarios.
Treat this as the suicide mission, your actions greatly increase the chances of most of them surviving.
LI and Shepard get to be together in the end

Uncertainty: With the weakened stage of the galaxy, I could see someone raising the alarms that now the Terminus system could try something against Citadel Space. (This would also open the door for interesting post-war DLC that I would love to see...)

Rainbows and ponies right? -.- The only "Happy" thing is that in the midst of all the destruction, you were able to pull your team through and keep them alive (if some SHOULD be injured, mind you) and you end up with LI.

Now... that was what I was expecting for the most perfect possible ending, the one you should work hard to get.

Other endings? In all the others I was expecting for Shepard/most of the crew to die... simply you didn't prepared enough, you made sacrifices... maybe even some planets fully wiped out? yes. I could see the current endings on this category, a Pyrrhic victory. You destroy/control/merge and stop the current threat (and in destroy(merge the future, at least FROM the Reapers) but at the cost of Galactic Civilization.

And finally... even if you did all the critical plot missions but you didn't cared to raise your war assets, I was expecting for an ending with the Reapers wiping out EVERYTHING. Simply put, you were not prepared and the Galaxy payed the price. In fact I would really love to see an ending like this as one of the possible ones.


So, basically: Best Possible ending (hard to get), Worst possible Ending (Reapers win). Middle of the road endings (current ones fit here perfectly)

Oh, this seems rather in-line with what I was expecting, actually. I agree.

Tougher, more impactful choices, along with severe effort on the part of the player to "get things right/maximum possible score" which ultimately, no matter how bleak things looked, with billions killed, worlds crippled, armadas weakened and friends sacrificed, culminated in the fabric of the current Galactic Society remaining, along with the personal satisfaction of (most) of your team and your own character being able to live on and help rebuild the crippled Galaxy.

Totally agree. However BW didn't make this possible. The Teleport your team to the Normandy is silly.

Even more silly than having a kid be God and rationalize genocide?

I agree.

None of the options seem really good to me at this time. If I understand the control choice, Shepard agrees that the Reapers can destroy everyone someday. Shepard will tell the Reapers when it is time to wipe everyone out. Shepard is a god so to speak. This method delays the final extinction.

[Killjoy Cutter]

SE JN wrote...

Quick question-

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BE HAPPY IF THE NORMANDY WAS RESCUED AFTER THE CRASH?

This seems to be the big issue; I know it's the problem with me.

Not really. 

Singularity nonsense =  Fail.

Reapers have a higher purpose = Fail.

Deus Ex Machina / McGuffin = Fail.

Shepard dies = Fail.

Normandy marooned = Fail. 

More "Vermire Choices" = Fail.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Super.Sid wrote...

So after all this **** happening over the past few weeks and people coming to know about it, how do u think they will promote the game further pre-launch and post-launch.

Ignore those of us who care, and keep marketing to the dudebros.

[Lukanp]

You know untill recently I actually believed it would be difficult to screw up the ending to the trilogy, I mean with all these variations from the other games they had unlimited possibilities to deliver something interesting. In all truth I'd prefer a darker, bittersweet ending but I was afraid they're gonna go for a simplified, generic one insted. I'm no fan of Michael Bay-like endings but if the overal story was coherent I could've lived with that. It's been a few days since the ending spoilers surfaced but Im still in a state of shock, it had it's share of cheesiness sure but I was always a fan of the ME universe.
Now like I said, Ive got nothing against sacrificing Shepard or his crew but the way it's done here feels almost as if they're trying to put a stop to the whole franchise. The ending leaves you with more questions then it answers, provides no closure to some of the main characters and results in crippling the galactic community regardless of what you do. To me the possibility of interstellar travel/communication is what made the ME universe itereseting. With no immediate way to repair what's been done, every single back-story we've been exposed to in ME 1/2 becomes meaningless.
The control/merge endings just seem so out of place in regards to the ME lore that I can't even take them seriosuly,
Man, I'm having flashback of the SW prequels and the Kotor 2 endings :/

Modifié par Lukanp, 05 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[Nerevar-as]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

I agree.

None of the options seem really good to me at this time. If I understand the control choice, Shepard agrees that the Reapers can destroy everyone someday. Shepard will tell the Reapers when it is time to wipe everyone out. Shepard is a god so to speak. This method delays the final extinction.

I think it´s more Shepard becomes the Guardian waiting for the Singularity. If it occurs, s/he´ll bring the Reapers back to deal with it.

Of course, that should apply to any big enough threat, so any future ME game should deal with minor enemies or we´d have a rather big plot hole.

I just don´t get it. Save for the Relays destroyed, both Control & Merge as we understand them make a sequel very difficult, and there´s no timeframe to continue the saga with prequels.

Let´s hope they don´t pull a DE:Invisible War here. Our choices would matter even less than we think now.

[_Martyr_]

social.bioware.com/poll.php

Modifié par _Martyr_, 05 mars 2012 - 03:19 .

[cotheer]

I don't know about you guys, but one thing that will, for sure, ****** me off is that DAMN drama-queen piano score. The only thing that's missing is a God damn violin >_<
Sorry, i just watched that time capsule scene and all i did was roll my eyes.

Anyhoe, being one of the unlucky ones, i tend to get attached to characters a little too much, i have no problem stopping the game before the ending(s) and playing something else.

[DeinonSlayer]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

So after all this **** happening over the past few weeks and people coming to know about it, how do u think they will promote the game further pre-launch and post-launch.

Ignore those of us who care, and keep marketing to the dudebros.

Someone earlier described what kinds of questions people will be asking a week from now:

ME1/2 fan: "Hey, guys, how do I get the good ending? I think I'm doing something wrong. Please help?"

CoD fan: "How do I skip all these cutscenes?"

[Nerevar-as]

SE JN wrote...

Quick question-

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BE HAPPY IF THE NORMANDY WAS RESCUED AFTER THE CRASH?

This seems to be the big issue; I know it's the problem with me.

There´s still the DEM and Space Magic of the Merge ending, but as I don´t plan to ever choose that one (sorry EDI & geth), I guess I could live with the rest.

[100k]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SE JN wrote...

Quick question-

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BE HAPPY IF THE NORMANDY WAS RESCUED AFTER THE CRASH?

This seems to be the big issue; I know it's the problem with me.

Not really. 

Singularity nonsense =  Fail.

Reapers have a higher purpose = Fail.

Deus Ex Machina / McGuffin = Fail.

Shepard dies = Fail.

Normandy marooned = Fail. 

More "Vermire Choices" = Fail.

Pretty much this. I didn't think that the story could get worse than ME2...but I stand corrected.

At least their are vast improvements in the areas of gameplay, sidequests, and character arcs. The dialogue isn't too shabby either.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

android654 wrote...

Even more silly than having a kid be God and rationalize genocide?

Message of ME3 -- genocide, mass torture, mass enslavement, and so on... all "morally grey" as long as you have a "higher purpose". 

Whatever, Bioware.

Arrival's Sacrifice was the right call in ME2 (With the information we had)

But If all of ME3 is like that, it won't be interesting.

Also Reapers logic is childish, and it pissed me off. I prefer to become hermit rather fighting them in ME3!

[Brahlis]

C'mon guys, we shouldn't expect such a good story and ending to this game. Remember who Bioware is catering to with this one:

Modifié par Brahlis, 05 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[Risselda]

Brahlis wrote...

C'mon guys, we shouldn't expect such a good story and ending to this game. Remember who Bioware is catering to with this one:

"action mode"

[Ianamus]

_Martyr_ wrote...

social.bioware.com/poll.php

A word of warning: Bioware has deleted all polls concerning the ending so far. Don't ask why, because I have no clue.