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[Elegana]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Should I crush this speckle of hope in my heart before it gets out of hand?

Nah. Honestly, for me, I've half-accepted the endings. If they're real, they're real. But I still have hope.

[Jackal7713]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Should I crush this speckle of hope in my heart before it gets out of hand?

I'm sorry to say this, I really am. But you should crush it before you get hurt even more from it.

[Max Knight]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Ghurshog wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

So is Bioware avoiding this like cancer or have they given reasoning behind the endings?

The reasoning is clear to me at least.

They created a story ending that was emotionally unsatisfying to a large (more than 50% at a guess) of their customer base. 

Hollywood puts happy endings in movies for a reason. At the end of the day while a dark ending can be refreshing the vast majority of people can't/won't understand it. 

So in order to generate maximum profits they make an ending that appeals to the LCD of its target demographic.

BIoware believes its ME customers are smarter than that and expects them to grasp the implications of themes presented at the end of the game's narrative. 

This view is naive and they will get a black eye for it.

Why do you think there as a Forum Policy update just before the game released? Those that understand what customer service is like know how the mass public is going to react.

I think the most people can accept darker endings... but...
A) There still must be shimmers of hope, not the 'boohoo it's dark place and no hope!'-endings BW has seemingly planned.
It must be understandable and reasonable. The current storyline of ME3 seems a bunch of BS, certainly the explanation about the Reapers. WTH are they thinking?
C) Closure. There are more quests then answers as-of in ME3. While it officially would be the end of Shephard's story, there are that much questions left to answer...

Its not just the endings. Its about the gutting of the conversation system entirely. 

it is not guted.

Its so depressing thats all I could type at that moment

trust me from the few vidoes i savw the conversation system is not guted.

[Sia_Sinblade]

Jackal7713 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Should I crush this speckle of hope in my heart before it gets out of hand?

I'm sorry to say this, I really am. But you should crush it before you get hurt even more from it.

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

[mariatea]

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

I doubt there are any hidden endings... But the game which leaked IS encrypted  (this is why they aren't able to pirate it until release) So perhaps some hidden files or features do exist...

[ciaweth]

Ghurshog wrote...

Niddy' wrote...

So is Bioware avoiding this like cancer or have they given reasoning behind the endings?

The reasoning is clear to me at least.

They created a story ending that was emotionally unsatisfying to a large (more than 50% at a guess) of their customer base.

Actually, typically only about 2% of a fanbase is active on game forums.  A very vocal 2%, but 2% nonetheless.  BioWare has been very active trying to get fans to participate on their Facebook and Twitter channels, but you'll notice they don't do much to try to attract new community members to these forums.  So if you want to keep a real eye on what the Mass Effect fanbase reaction *really* is to this, watch people's tweets at @bioware and @masseffect.  Judging reaction on Facebook is tougher because the ME fan page admins can and do hide negative or spoilery comments.

Hollywood puts happy endings in movies for a reason. At the end of the day while a dark ending can be refreshing the vast majority of people can't/won't understand it. 

So in order to generate maximum profits they make an ending that appeals to the LCD of its target demographic.

BIoware believes its ME customers are smarter than that and expects them to grasp the implications of themes presented at the end of the game's narrative. 

This view is naive and they will get a black eye for it.

Honestly we have no idea *what* BioWare's official stance is on this, as they haven't said anything even in PR-speak.  And they shouldn't until after the game's released, strategically speaking.  If they wait, the rage about the endings will be drowned out by those who haven't been spoiled and haven't yet played the endings.

Why do you think there as a Forum Policy update just before the game released? Those that understand what customer service is like know how the mass public is going to react.

The forum policy update went into effect because of the Jennifer Hepler thing (and rightly so, in my opinion--that was a freaking shameful incident) and because people have been going all racist on Stanley Woo.

[_Martyr_]

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...
"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Possibly. If they knew about the BF3 leak, since EA is directly involved in both projects, they must've thought of some kind of "lock" to prevent excessive spoilering around their official forums.

• This explains the silence from devs/staff that are reading our posts but mostly ignoring us. (keepers!!)
• This also could explain why the infamous Day-One Patch is a mystery.
• This  explains why EvilChris had an entire new section made for players that HAVE the game.
• Could also explain the line about NG+ on the Prima Guide.

Or they could've completely overlooked that from happening.

Edit: 
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

Modifié par _Martyr_, 05 mars 2012 - 05:10 .

[Ghurshog]

After considering the endings I have see (yes I watched them as spoilers dont bother me) it seems to be that the reasoning presented to allow the player to make a choice is flawed.

The purpose to which the Reapers existance is dedicated precludes the notion that any other outcome is possible.

However the ending narritive states that Shepard's mere presence proves that the 'solution' will no longer work but fails to extrapolate that perhaps its solution might have been flawed in the first place.

The choices presented to Shepard at this point and their probable long term consequences seem to again fail to take into account that there 'could' be a more positive outcome from any of the choices. 

However the narrator that Shepard is having the conversation has flawed or 'limited' understanding of what it means to be organic. 

Organic life evolves to adapt to its environments or dies trying. This is the point. To try and put that process in an 'ant farm' for eternity because it may end in the future at 'some' point seems simply the highest % outcome to preserve organic life but not the 'only' way to achieve this goal.

And ultimately by what right does anything or anyone have the right to simply say you are not allowed to try and evolve beyond what your are? 

At the core of it Intelligence does not imply wisdom.

[Jackal7713]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Should I crush this speckle of hope in my heart before it gets out of hand?

I'm sorry to say this, I really am. But you should crush it before you get hurt even more from it.

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

Last night the thread was going through all the changes in ME 3 from ME1 and ME 2. Everything from the three modes, conversation system and space magic poltholes. It was pretty bad. See for yourself. Should be between 490-510  Look for Geareffect, that cat laid it out cold.

[LilyasAvalon]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

[Max Knight]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Guys....read this...about the timed activation. Maybe they're doing this?

http://www.gamezone....orrow-s-release

"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Should I crush this speckle of hope in my heart before it gets out of hand?

I'm sorry to say this, I really am. But you should crush it before you get hurt even more from it.

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

Last night the thread was going through all the changes in ME 3 from ME1 and ME 2. Everything from the three modes, conversation system and space magic poltholes. It was pretty bad. See for yourself. Should be between 490-510  Look for Geareffect, that cat laid it out cold.

post a link please.

[ciaweth]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

Just remember, bros who get all over you for having feelings about a game are the first ones whose mascara runs if they feel their character doesn't have a big enough dong.  Everyone has here has game feels of some kind, or we wouldn't even be here.

[LilyasAvalon]

Elegana wrote...

Nah. Honestly, for me, I've half-accepted the endings. If they're real, they're real. But I still have hope.

I would've accepted the endings eventually if the Normandy didn't decide to play LOST. That was the twist of the knife and salt in the wound for me.

[Jackal7713]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

Please don't joke about something like that. I was just saying to be realistic. 

[fearan1]

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

[Killjoy Cutter]

android654 wrote...

Anyone considering being done with BW after this?

I'm already done with Bioware. 

They've made it clear that I'm no longer part of their target audience, and that they really don't care if the people who loved ME1 and ME2 ever buy another one of their games. 

We don't matter to them, they've gone after a different target audience and to hell with us. 

[Cobra's_back]

Max Knight wrote...

gee people let it go. i will admint that i would like some kind of happy ending and i am not jumping with joy wit the ones we have but seriously people calm down will ya. ME was never planed as some kind of ligh hearted game..so those endings are understandable,nasty but understandable. soo let the flaming begin.

I don't think everyone wants a happy ending. The Reapers were made by organic to protect organic from super smart ALs. This makes the Reapers kill all the intelligent organic. Wow, is this silly. War is hell. If Shepard and his whole crew died I’m okay. Better yet kill them one by one and make the game harder on Shepard each round. I really don’t care. BW throwing in the Reapers as an element of balance is really out there. It sounds like they wanted a Greek Tragedy. Shepard goes against the Gods and becomes a God (control), or kills the Gods (destroy) but loses his LI interest. How over dramatic can you get. I was a big x-files fan.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

android654 wrote...

Anyone considering being done with BW after this?

I'm already done with Bioware. 

They've made it clear that I'm no longer part of their target audience, and that they really don't care if the people who loved ME1 and ME2 ever buy another one of their games. 

We don't matter to them, they've gone after a different target audience and to hell with us. 

Yeah, I was done after DA2. Reason why I didn't pre-order ME3. I feel like a dodged a bullet with this.

[Johnnycide]

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

[Jackal7713]

Max Knight here is what Gearseffect wrote about the conversation system last night:

gearseffect wrote...

No more great in depth conversations with
people between missions, no more deep conversations with old pals, I
think this has sort of gotten pushed into the thing called "Your Choices
don't matter any more"

It should be called no more deep
conversations, Story Mode is RPG Mode with easy as pie combat, RPG Mode
is Action Mode with the 2 dialogue options and a sh!tton of
Auto-dialogue options. And Action Mode is were you sit back and watch
all the conversations and dialogue scenes play out as cut scenes.

But remember that Action Mode will not affect the RPG Mode in any way what so ever.

I
had said this before I wonder how much dialogue was cut to get Action
Mode to work. I'm sad now, this game is not even the same ME as ME1 and
ME2. We don't get some great deep heavy conversations that can take up
to 5 minutes to play out .

That's why the launch trailer claims
that now is the best time to jump aboard the ME series at the end
because if you've been playing it and a fan of it before well You gonna
be mighty upset now right? this will no longer be the same game.

I will not buy any DLC because it won't fix the stupid autodialogue and lack of my involvement in conversations.
Wanna
talk to Anderson why he's not the Human Council Member anymore cool
it's all done with little to know input from the play as to how the
conversation plays out

Wanna talk to Ash about Horizon cool it plays out with little to no involvement and input from you

The game is gonna unfold with little to no player involvement in driving the story and conversations

[aries1001]

I have a question for you? What kind of endings do you want? An ending - or maybe two - where you dance around the bonfire and eat cake and drink lemonade? as you celebrate that you have taken earth back from the Reapers? Or one in which you come back to eath and live with with your Love Interest (LI) forever, tilling and growing the land?

If so, maybe the LI ending could happen. I, however, do not see how the celebration ending could happen. If we look at the start of the game (when we played the demo), there were many Reapers attacking Earth. Maybe our only hope is to at least stop the Reapers in their track to take as many humans - and alien species - as possible. Or to stop them forever? At whatever cost necessary, even if it involves Shepard's own safety and or the safety of his or her crew?

Bioware has apparently made open endings for this game, not closed ending, thus maybe setting the scene for future dlcs and perhaps an expansion or two?

Edit:
So Shepard is now a Bhaalspawn? At the end of Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal, (i think it was there?), you could choose that your character would become a god, a Bhaalspawn or continue to be human. Apparently, Shepard can choose the same options now, of we are to see the Reapers as gods...and if the leaked endings are correct.

Modifié par aries1001, 05 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Elegana]

_Martyr_ wrote...

Elegana wrote...

Rdubs wrote...
"In a fairly similar case, Battlefield 3, which also requires Origin on PC, leaked onto torrent sites, but gamers were unable to access certain parts of the game because of an encoded, time activation that prevented pirates from making full use of the game."

Innnnnteresting find. Perhaps they did the same with the space editions? 

Possibly. If they knew about the BF3 leak, since EA is directly involved in both projects, they must've thought of some kind of "lock" to prevent excessive spoilering around their official forums.

• This explains the silence from devs/staff that are reading our posts but mostly ignoring us. (keepers!!)
• This also could explain why the infamous Day-One Patch is a mystery.
• This  explains why EvilChris had an entire new section made for players that HAVE the game.
• Could also explain the line about NG+ on the Prima Guide.

Or they could've completely overlooked that from happening.

I know a lot of gaming companies have taken action against pirates like including DRM in some games lately, thus why I always wondered if a big company like EA would do something similar.

[albertalad]

I will repeat - NO! Sheppard deserves to live with his friends, his crew, and his L1. He's already suffered enough. Killed once, his crew taken from him, his friends turned their backs on him, the council treating him as a virtual traitor, everything he did treated as madness by the Alliance and by the Council, forced into killing 300,000 plus, his second crew taken from him, jailed, his ship taken AGAIN - Heck if anyone deserves a friggen break its Sheppard. HE brought the galaxy together to fight this threat and its just about time those guys (rest of Galaxy) pulled their own damn weight!

[Max Knight]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

O_o what?

[Reorte]

Johnnycide wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

If it is all a way to flog a bit of extra DLC then that's downright sick, and possibly sadistic.

Ive spent all day feeling sick and depressed about this since I read the spoilers last night. Thank god I didn't encounter it after playing the game.

Unless the whole thing is some elaborate DRM-like thing from Bioware, in which case I'll take my hats off to them. I very, very strongly suspect anyone hoping for that is really clutching at straws though.