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[android654]

Johnnycide wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

You'd think that someone with a high positon in a company would have an MBA or at least a bachelor's with a background in business. It's simple business ethics, if you treat your customers without any value to thier loyalty, they'll seek that product elsewhere. After reading something like that, BW and EA are only interested in money rather than customer loyalty. Since that's the case I wont buy another BW or EA game that isn't used.

On the upside, independent developers like CDPR show that they care about customer loyalty and have done an extremely good job at ensuring that they keep their loyal customers for any future Ip they release, and it has worked and will work. This move just made BW solidify the notion that they're a generic developer and once this market dries up, and it will eventually, no one is going to remember th good products they did release.

[Sia_Sinblade]

ciaweth wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

Just remember, bros who get all over you for having feelings about a game are the first ones whose mascara runs if they feel their character doesn't have a big enough dong.  Everyone has here has game feels of some kind, or we wouldn't even be here.

I'm all for emotional attachment. But the discussions in this thread are getting a bit out of hand. I mean seriously...if those are the endings, I will probably cry a bit when the credits roll. I know myself well enough for that.

But sheesh. Crush all hope. Abandon ship. End of the world of ME.

I just think people are overdoing it a bit here.

[Reorte]

albertalad wrote...

I will repeat - NO! Sheppard deserves to live with his friends, his crew, and his L1. He's already suffered enough. Killed once, his crew taken from him, his friends turned their backs on him, the council treating him as a virtual traitor, everything he did treated as madness by the Alliance and by the Council, forced into killing 300,000 plus, his second crew taken from him, jailed, his ship taken AGAIN - Heck if anyone deserves a friggen break its Sheppard. HE brought the galaxy together to fight this threat and its just about time those guys (rest of Galaxy) pulled their own damn weight!

Yes a thousand times to this post!

The damage to the galaxy I can live with - there's no way defeating the Reapers isn't going to have serious implications, but separating Shep from his friends and lover, and let's not forget by a contrived, stupid last-minute device, is just sadistic. Whatever the ending is it should happen to the whole Normandy crew. Those who started together should finish together (if they survive - character death of the ME2 type or the Alenko / Ashley type is fair enough). Perhaps the odds of anyone surviving are slim and you'll have to play really well to get it - fair enough. But no chance of closure between Shepard and the crew is just horrible and unnecessary. Particularly when it's the characters that are the main draw for me with Mass Effect.

[Jackal7713]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

Just remember, bros who get all over you for having feelings about a game are the first ones whose mascara runs if they feel their character doesn't have a big enough dong.  Everyone has here has game feels of some kind, or we wouldn't even be here.

I'm all for emotional attachment. But the discussions in this thread are getting a bit out of hand. I mean seriously...if those are the endings, I will probably cry a bit when the credits roll. I know myself well enough for that.

But sheesh. Crush all hope. Abandon ship. End of the world of ME.

I just think people are overdoing it a bit here.

To be honest it really is bw giving the middle finger to the fans of ME1 and ME 2.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 05 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[Sia_Sinblade]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

Just remember, bros who get all over you for having feelings about a game are the first ones whose mascara runs if they feel their character doesn't have a big enough dong.  Everyone has here has game feels of some kind, or we wouldn't even be here.

I'm all for emotional attachment. But the discussions in this thread are getting a bit out of hand. I mean seriously...if those are the endings, I will probably cry a bit when the credits roll. I know myself well enough for that.

But sheesh. Crush all hope. Abandon ship. End of the world of ME.

I just think people are overdoing it a bit here.

To be honest it really is bw giving the middle finger to the fans of ME1 and ME 2.

Personally, by doing what they are doing (what I described in my previous post), they win for me. They created a strong enough emotional attachment that I will care enough to be sad enough to shed real tears for a bunch of pixels.

While I know this is not something a lot of people want, and I would love for those people to have "their" ending, too, I certainly don't feel like I've been given the middle finger.

But that's just a personal view.

[Reorte]

I suppose I'll continue railing against BW, but the only real decision I've got to make now is on Friday (I'm in the UK) will I be starting a new fortress in Dwarf Fortress or a new character in Skyrim?

[ciaweth]

android654 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

You'd think that someone with a high positon in a company would have an MBA or at least a bachelor's with a background in business. It's simple business ethics, if you treat your customers without any value to thier loyalty, they'll seek that product elsewhere. After reading something like that, BW and EA are only interested in money rather than customer loyalty. Since that's the case I wont buy another BW or EA game that isn't used.

On the upside, independent developers like CDPR show that they care about customer loyalty and have done an extremely good job at ensuring that they keep their loyal customers for any future Ip they release, and it has worked and will work. This move just made BW solidify the notion that they're a generic developer and once this market dries up, and it will eventually, no one is going to remember th good products they did release.

You are unintentionally hilarious.  Most MBA programs don't offer or require ethics courses.  This is something the MBA world is currently doing some soul searching about, ever since the banking industry tanked the economy.

[curelightwounds]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

gee people let it go. i will admint that i would like some kind of happy ending and i am not jumping with joy wit the ones we have but seriously people calm down will ya. ME was never planed as some kind of ligh hearted game..so those endings are understandable,nasty but understandable. soo let the flaming begin.

I don't think everyone wants a happy ending. The Reapers were made by organic to protect organic from super smart ALs. This makes the Reapers kill all the intelligent organic. Wow, is this silly. War is hell. If Shepard and his whole crew died I’m okay. Better yet kill them one by one and make the game harder on Shepard each round. I really don’t care. BW throwing in the Reapers as an element of balance is really out there. It sounds like they wanted a Greek Tragedy. Shepard goes against the Gods and becomes a God (control), or kills the Gods (destroy) but loses his LI interest. How over dramatic can you get. I was a big x-files fan.

After 500 pages do people still not understand the core complaint?

No one is complaining that Shepard doesn't get her flying unicorn (which would have been awesome). A lot of us are complaining that the ONLY way this ends is Greek tragedy. A game built on choice has only ONE conclusion.

Imagine Rockstar marketed Red Dead Redemption as a game about claiming the old west? You can recruit members of your old gang to rebuild the evil gang or you could form a possee to go hunt down your old gang. You can destroy a town or you could build it into something great. At each point you're told that this will shape the future of New Austin.

And then no matter what you've done you end up in the fatal shootout. Still a very powerful scene, still a very moving and memorable moment -- but that's the only reward? After doing everything to get the best possible outcome I still get the same result as people who didn't? I get the same result regardless of whether I wanted a happy or sad ending? I have no choice despite playing a game about -- wait for it -- choice?

I'd be just as upset if every ending was sunshine and lollipops.

Modifié par curelightwounds, 05 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Max Knight wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

You'd think this thread is discussing the cure to some untreatable desease and not the ending of a bloody video game.

Crush hope before you get hurt even more??? WTF?

I'm sorry, would you rather I extreme and commit suicide like those people who watched Avatar? <_<

O_o what?

They're acting as if majority of people are overreacting. I say it's passion until you go as far as physically hurt yourself or others over it.

[aries1001]

As for the forum update, I sort of suspected that it was because of the Hepler incident. I didn't know that people had been going racist over Stanley Woo . But to me, it would be more fair, to ban those, maybe permanently? who made those comments about Hepler and Woo than to make an update to the rules of conduct saying that 'without notice' people can get banned for 'making a personal attack' etc.

Back on topic:

Isn't anyone happy or at least content with open endings?

[android654]

ciaweth wrote...

android654 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

You'd think that someone with a high positon in a company would have an MBA or at least a bachelor's with a background in business. It's simple business ethics, if you treat your customers without any value to thier loyalty, they'll seek that product elsewhere. After reading something like that, BW and EA are only interested in money rather than customer loyalty. Since that's the case I wont buy another BW or EA game that isn't used.

On the upside, independent developers like CDPR show that they care about customer loyalty and have done an extremely good job at ensuring that they keep their loyal customers for any future Ip they release, and it has worked and will work. This move just made BW solidify the notion that they're a generic developer and once this market dries up, and it will eventually, no one is going to remember th good products they did release.

You are unintentionally hilarious.  Most MBA programs don't offer or require ethics courses.  This is something the MBA world is currently doing some soul searching about, ever since the banking industry tanked the economy.

Ethics is a requirement for any bachelor degree in the U.S. it's considered a part of general education requirements.

[DeinonSlayer]

Well, don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but it looks like I'm restricted from posting in the other forums. No notifications explaining why, I haven't attacked anyone on staff or anything. This discussion leaked over to the Tali thread and I participated in the discussion there. Blocks may end up being their only answer to this.

[Sia_Sinblade]

FemShep Trailer CGI Version

I know I'm too much of a fan...but...oh man...I just love this. XD

Modifié par Sia_Sinblade, 05 mars 2012 - 05:25 .

[Reorte]

Sia_Sinblade wrote...

Personally, by doing what they are doing (what I described in my previous post), they win for me. They created a strong enough emotional attachment that I will care enough to be sad enough to shed real tears for a bunch of pixels.

While I know this is not something a lot of people want, and I would love for those people to have "their" ending, too, I certainly don't feel like I've been given the middle finger.

But that's just a personal view.

I can find plenty of sadness in reality. I escape to games and films and books for a break from that, even if there's sadness along the way. And let's face it, for all the people going on about it being dark it never has looked like that to me. Dark patches on the journey but getting something out of it in the end.

Everyone should be able to have their ending. These endings (or I should say these styles of endings, because the way they've been done sounds dreadful even if you like the tone) should certainly be possible endings. Getting a better one should be really, really hard, but it should be there. You're fighting very long odds after all, not impossible ones. The only ending that I would regard as too ridiculous would be no more Reaper threat and no-one hurt at all.

[Jackal7713]

aries1001 wrote...

As for the forum update, I sort of suspected that it was because of the Hepler incident. I didn't know that people had been going racist over Stanley Woo . But to me, it would be more fair, to ban those, maybe permanently? who made those comments about Hepler and Woo than to make an update to the rules of conduct saying that 'without notice' people can get banned for 'making a personal attack' etc.

Back on topic:

Isn't anyone happy or at least content with open endings?

Not really buddy. From what I've read over the past weekend, people think that bioware changed the winning formula to grab hold of the COD/ GOW/ Halo fanbase and ignored the ME fan base in the process.

[dizzymonkey_bio]

android654 wrote...

Ethics is a requirement for any bachelor degree in the U.S. it's considered a part of general education requirements.

LOL.  Intelligence is also supposedly a requirement for management positions but it's rare when I run into that combination in my professional life  Taking a few classes about ethics != having ethics.

[Capeo]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Well, don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but it looks like I'm restricted from posting in the other forums. No notifications explaining why, I haven't attacked anyone on staff or anything. This discussion leaked over to the Tali thread and I participated in the discussion there. Blocks may end up being their only answer to this.

Yeah, what the heck is going on?  I just noticed the same.  Did the requirements for posting in the Character forum change or something?

[Caelistas]

I don't want to live on this world anymore... Give me a semi-decent ending.

No happy everyone lives and drinks together party ending but i want to see at LEAST some kinda of ending in which your LI is shown with a good epilogue. (Kinda like DA Origins)

[aries1001]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Well, don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but it looks like I'm restricted from posting in the other forums. No notifications explaining why, I haven't attacked anyone on staff or anything. This discussion leaked over to the Tali thread and I participated in the discussion there. Blocks may end up being their only answer to this.

Actually, this is normal. Bioware created forums for their games and then closes them off to people who have yet bought the game - and registered it. I can't post in the romance forums as well, since I don't (yet) own ME3. I also suspect not to able to write or reply in this forum for ME3 gameplay discussion soon, maybe tomorrow....or a little later today...

[blueruin]

android654 wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

android654 wrote...

Johnnycide wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

Ok so we get an instant response to the cash grab multi-player thread from Chris but a 12000 post thread is ignored ? On the upside with this focus on cash maybe there will be a $10 somewhat happy ending DLC.

That scares me more than you can imagine.

You'd think that someone with a high positon in a company would have an MBA or at least a bachelor's with a background in business. It's simple business ethics, if you treat your customers without any value to thier loyalty, they'll seek that product elsewhere. After reading something like that, BW and EA are only interested in money rather than customer loyalty. Since that's the case I wont buy another BW or EA game that isn't used.

On the upside, independent developers like CDPR show that they care about customer loyalty and have done an extremely good job at ensuring that they keep their loyal customers for any future Ip they release, and it has worked and will work. This move just made BW solidify the notion that they're a generic developer and once this market dries up, and it will eventually, no one is going to remember th good products they did release.

You are unintentionally hilarious.  Most MBA programs don't offer or require ethics courses.  This is something the MBA world is currently doing some soul searching about, ever since the banking industry tanked the economy.

Ethics is a requirement for any bachelor degree in the U.S. it's considered a part of general education requirements.

...no it isn't.

[android654]

dizzymonkey_bio wrote...

android654 wrote...

Ethics is a requirement for any bachelor degree in the U.S. it's considered a part of general education requirements.

LOL.  Intelligence is also supposedly a requirement for management positions but it's rare when I run into that combination in my professional life  Taking a few classes about ethics != having ethics.

Still, every independent developer that signs on with a bigger company does this and they eventually disapear from what they were. Someone should have caught on by now.

[albertalad]

I was going to line up at mid-night to get this game - fat chance in hell I'll do that now. My collector's edition has gone through my account a month ago so I'll pick it up sometime on the weekend maybe when I feel like it. Now-a-days I don't even bother to watch to trailers the put up on the ME3 site. I stopped playing my ME2 play-through to make it as perfect as possible - THAT is the damage BW has created in many, not just me, for their own products. And if anyone at BW is remotely familiar with THIS thread, and I really believe they are, then this is an unmitigated disaster unfolding before their very eyes. BW PR can try to put all the lipstick on this pig all they want - THIS is STILL a pig!

[android654]

blueruin wrote...

...no it isn't.

To get a college degree in the U.S.? Yes it is. You can supplement it with speech or philosophy in some schools, but the aim is to cover basic ethics which all three of those courses touch base on.

[AnthonyF27]

Purge the heathens wrote...

This thread is highly amusing to read. The lesson?

Never, ever, make a sequel to anything. Eventually, the franchise will start to decay and turn into a zombie - or rather, this is what the fans will believe and say.

Anyway, I haven't seen any of the endings, but from what I've read about the merge one, it seems perfect for me.

By the way, choose 1-3-2 when talking to Tamoko in the Undercity and she'll leave in peace.

I personally think it'd be smart if a company puts out a popular game such as ME, and they plan on making sequels, instead of waiting a couple years later to begin writing the sequel, they should begin right away and write the rest of the sequels straight through.  You'll have the same writers and the same ideas from the people who originally created the world and characters.

[blooregard]

what if having the prothean on your squad helps you refine the crucible to where it doesn't destroy the relays and you could even have the sunshine and kittens ending because of this