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[Dunmer of Redoran]

adneate wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...
It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

Pfft. They didn't release a non-suck patch for DA2 that made Act 3 make sense, they just dug their heels in as deep as possible and told everyone the game was great and they accomplished everything they wanted and they don't make games for you only for themselves.

The endings are a spit in the face and the only response you'll get from BioWare is another spit in the face. They don't care, they've had everyone kissing their asses for 10 plus years telling them they're the greatest story tellers in gaming and everything they've ever done is great. By now they just believe it, they're great and we plebians just don't get it cause we're too stupid.

DA2 is a speck compared to this game. If the ME3 fanbase collectively raises hell, there'll be no ignoring or bird-flipping for the good, complacent BW folk.

[Nyaore]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

jedisolo wrote...

What was so bad about dragon age 2 ? I enjoyed the game and the ending. I know I will enjoy Mass Effect 3.

I liked the game, but many people didn't - and the resulting ****storm was massive and ongoing. I still see people getting into verbal fights over the game now, long after the controversey has since cooled. It's pretty much the most devisive title Bioware has put out in recent memory, and caused a lot of people to lose faith in the company. If these endings are real, you can bet the lingering resentments from that game are going to come to a head.

I felt really let down by dragon age 2. I've tried to play it twice now, but i just can't get into it at all. It is the same place over and over again.

I can completely understand. While I might have been able to enjoy the game, for what it was worth at least, the amount of problems it has far outway the positives. The game needed at least another year of development before being pushed out, and even then I doubt the extended development time would have solved everything.

Point is, Bioware has made a lot of missteps lately in the eyes of a sizable amount of their fans, and it's going to bite them HARD if the trend continues with this game.

Modifié par Nyaore, 29 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[Dragonfable of Dain]

The might make some people a little bit happier, spoiler alert....

[yoshibb]

I was looking forward to this game. I really believed in Bioware. I really thought that despite all the doubters, that this was gonna be an amazing game. I convinced friends and relatives to buy this game. I have thrown money at Bioware for years.

But then they ****ed up something so bloody simple as having one good ending. They screw over my entire experience of five years of playing and enjoying this trilogy by giving me a ****ty ending? I just can't believe it.

[John Never Dies]

The whole Normandy sounds bad in my head right now because without the details, I am just imagining Joker fly by Shepard on the ground and he says "Cya Shepard!" and he flies away with crew to this planet and they come out.

[T1l]

The Prothean retcon really rustled my jimmies. These endings? That's a kick square in the baby maker.

[JamieCOTC]

So the relays go boom and everybody is stuck where they are. Billions will die w/out supplies, others will just be separated from loved ones. Separating Shepard from the Normandy gives him/her (and us) that same feeling of loss. That we sacrificed something to achieve what has never been done before. That Shep, no matter how Mary Sue s/he is, will still feel the same pain of lost loved ones billions of others will endure. That is if s/he survives.

[Sashimi_taco]

Elegana wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

Yeah... things have really gone downhill. 

I just can't believe how they've managed to screw eveyone over. The character threads on the character and romance forum have pretty much shattered, and by a week after release the forum will look like Earth after the Reapers are done with it. 

The entire fanbase will be destoryed by this. 

Yeah, the Kaidan romance thread has fans leaving to avoid spoilers. 

...WAIT, GUYS. OMG. Seeing how people are leaving BSN, r/masseffect, and other places concerning ME3, this is like how supposedly people start leaving the Citadel! Haha! 

...Or they're evacuating for the ****storm. Either way. 

shhhhh don't tell them about r/masseffect. The low levels of mysogony and generally horribleness is what keeps me going. 

[yoshibb]

DaftArbiter wrote...

adneate wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...
It will be bad. The worse, the better; if it gets bad enough, maybe BW will actually do SOMETHING about it.

Pfft. They didn't release a non-suck patch for DA2 that made Act 3 make sense, they just dug their heels in as deep as possible and told everyone the game was great and they accomplished everything they wanted and they don't make games for you only for themselves.

The endings are a spit in the face and the only response you'll get from BioWare is another spit in the face. They don't care, they've had everyone kissing their asses for 10 plus years telling them they're the greatest story tellers in gaming and everything they've ever done is great. By now they just believe it, they're great and we plebians just don't get it cause we're too stupid.

DA2 is a speck compared to this game. If the ME3 fanbase collectively raises hell, there'll be no ignoring or bird-flipping for the good, complacent BW folk.

Also, they can still fix Dragon Age 2, It's called Dragon Age 3. This is the end of Shepard's story. Without a patch or DLC this is forever stuck like this.

[Ianamus]

Elegana wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

Hey guys remember that time way back when (you know, yesterday). When we were actually looking forward to the game, instead of dreading it........ I miss those days.

Yeah... things have really gone downhill. 

I just can't believe how they've managed to screw eveyone over. The character threads on the character and romance forum have pretty much shattered, and by a week after release the forum will look like Earth after the Reapers are done with it. 

The entire fanbase will be destoryed by this. 

Yeah, the Kaidan romance thread has fans leaving to avoid spoilers. 

...WAIT, GUYS. OMG. Seeing how people are leaving BSN, r/masseffect, and other places concerning ME3, this is like how supposedly people start leaving the Citadel! Haha! 

...Or they're evacuating for the ****storm. Either way. 

The Garrus thread looked like it was on the verge of crying. I don't blame them, really.

[Raxxman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

WHY then would they remove the ability to achieve an "optimal" ending (aka, Shepard alive, galaxy mostly intact, relays intact, etc, etc)?  People are going to pick whatever ending suits them, but suddenly all the endings appear to be various shades of depressing or downright bad.

Unless Bioware is planning an Awakening/Witch Hunt style continuation (which I'll note gives me mixed feeling since Awakening completely negates an ending and Witch Hunt only occurs in ONE particular ending), we're basically picking between a rock and a hard place.

What kind of choice is that?  Before, people would pick the ending that suited them, and it was acceptable because it was their canon.  They saved the Council, they blew up the base, they saved their squad or let them die.  Now, we get our pick of endings, but all them end with the removal of Shepard from the story in a manner that many feel doesn't fit.

Basically I think  you're on the right track with your reasoning.

Homogenizing endings makes it easier to continue with new games. While the destruction of Earth can be a minor thing in the overall standing of the game, the destruction of the relays has massive implications. If all relays are destroyed in all endings and Shepard + crew go missing in all endings, it's much easier to clean slate for a standard start with minor flavour changes for the next game in the series.

[Capeo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Capeo wrote...

From tanks pastebin post: "There are seven outcomes: four for Destroy, two for Control, one for Merge."

That gels with Novem.  Six regular, one NG+.

I don't get this, why are there FOUR different Destroy endings?  How many variations can you have, unless ONE of them is the "Destroy without ruining the galactic community"

The four destroys from the script are:

1. Reapers destroyed/ earth and shep destroyed
2. Reapers destroyed/ earth devastated/ shep dies
3. Reapers destroyed/ earth okay/ shep dies
4. Reapers destroyed/ earth okay/ shep lives

The two controls are:
5. Reapers controlled/ earth okay/ shep is trapped
6. Reapers controlled/ earth destroyed/ shep is trapped

Then there's the 7. merge/ shep is consumed.

The script doesn't go into much more depth than that.

Oh, and the script calls the merge ending the "perfect" ending.

Modifié par Capeo, 29 février 2012 - 03:22 .

[Quartof]

JamieCOTC wrote...

So the relays go boom and everybody is stuck where they are. Billions will die w/out supplies, others will just be separated from loved ones. Separating Shepard from the Normandy gives him/her (and us) that same feeling of loss. That we sacrificed something to achieve what has never been done before. That Shep, no matter how Mary Sue s/he is, will still feel the same pain of lost loved ones billions of others will endure. That is if s/he survives.

It isn't that the endings are sad for me. It's that they are all exactly the same and there is really no point in reaching for the best ending, because it doesn't really sound like it should be the best ending. But maybe I'm wrong and we need to actually see the endings in action.

That and one sounds like it involves literal magic.

Modifié par Quartof, 29 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[oligo]

yoshibb wrote...

I was looking forward to this game. I really believed in Bioware. I really thought that despite all the doubters, that this was gonna be an amazing game. I convinced friends and relatives to buy this game. I have thrown money at Bioware for years.

But then they ****ed up something so bloody simple as having one good ending. They screw over my entire experience of five years of playing and enjoying this trilogy by giving me a ****ty ending? I just can't believe it.

I'm with you, feeling exactly the same.

Seeing as I'm in the UK, at least I'll be able to know for sure what the deal is before I have to play it.

I'll try to push all this to the back of my mind when I'm playing, stop right before the end and then make up my own goddamn ending. <_<

[loungeshep]

JamieCOTC wrote...

So the relays go boom and everybody is stuck where they are. Billions will die w/out supplies, others will just be separated from loved ones. Separating Shepard from the Normandy gives him/her (and us) that same feeling of loss. That we sacrificed something to achieve what has never been done before. That Shep, no matter how Mary Sue s/he is, will still feel the same pain of lost loved ones billions of others will endure. That is if s/he survives.

It's like how Super Metroid ends with Samus being thrown through space and you don't know if or where she is until ten or so years later when they release Fusion, then Prime, then Other M and you're like "ohhhhhh. Okay."

Actually it's not, but still, now THAT's an ending.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Anyone want to guess what category the incoming sh*tstorm is?

[DifferentD17]

lol Mac Walters about relationships in ME3 2/28/12: "It's not the destination-it's the journey."

http://blog.bioware....28/me3romances/

[Espurr]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Anyone want to guess what category the incoming sh*tstorm is?

It's a Category 5, for sure.

What should we name it?

[Mr.House]

DifferentD17 wrote...

lol Mac Walters about relationships in ME3 2/28/12: "It's not the destination-it's the journey."

http://blog.bioware....28/me3romances/

All that did was make me more pissed off at Walters.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Mims wrote...

My current status of fanficy delusion:

-snip-

Mine is that the Normandy makes a suicide run to buy Shepard time to get to the Crucible. Being a completionist, my Shep will likely live, so she'll end up forever alone on Earth. Best ending.

No inbreeding, pls.

[Elegana]

Mims wrote...

My current status of fanficy delusion:

Destroy ending, Shepard survives. Shepard returns to earth, recovers. Meets up with some non-squaddies who are still on earth. Hijacks a ship, or is given one. [Somehow knows where the normandy is downed.] FTLs themselves to this location. Lands. Reunited. But hey, this is a sweet planet. Earth moves some refugees there. With all the trapped ships they've got plenty. Epilogue holds [mostly] true.

That or, control ending does what it is supposed to do and Shepard just goes to darkspace with reaper homies.

Well, IF the destroy ending is true and if what the leaked script says it's true, it's possible to have a headcanon with the VS.

After the Udina coup, you can tell the VS that they're not welcome aboard the Normandy and to take the Admiral job (but it may end the Romance if you romanced them). You get the VS as a war asset (25 points from the war asset list) and they'll be fighting on Earth (supposedly). So, if you choose to the Destroy route and survive, Shepard and the VS can get back together and viola, happy ending. Haha. 

Also, Deja Vu.

[scotkrow]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Anyone want to guess what category the incoming sh*tstorm is?

Not nearly as bad as you'd think because these endings aren't nearly as bad as you would think unless you just wait and play the mother ****ing game?

[Quartof]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Anyone want to guess what category the incoming sh*tstorm is?

I admit. I bet it will be very amusing to see BSN tear itself apart over this. But I'm hightailing it out of here because BSN is already a horrible place to have any intelligent discussion.

Seriously, the endings have combined every single one of the BSN's rage buttons into one neat little package. It's the perfect storm; it's incredible! 

Modifié par Quartof, 29 février 2012 - 03:30 .

[Bigdoser]

DifferentD17 wrote...

lol Mac Walters about relationships in ME3 2/28/12: "It's not the destination-it's the journey."

http://blog.bioware....28/me3romances/

That blog post smells of damage control.