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[XenoAlbedo]

Well... Apparently the Shepard lives ending points to a post-game DLC, which does make me a little happier, but still, the ending itself was poor.

[Ohpus]

eye basher wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

Fuzrum77 wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

We don't know for sure if they won't fix this. We shall succeed!

Yeah, I -really- hope Bioware/EA takes a page out of Bethesda's book in regards to Fallout 3's ending. What's critical here is that Bioware doesn't take this as a personal attack and then clam up, refusing to change anything because all this criticism has hurt their collective pride(s?). Bethesda, in response to Fallout 3's jarring and very unsatisfying ending, shrugged and said: Ok. They didn't like it. Let's give them something they do like. And it worked. Everybody won. AND they made money off it. And most importantly, I didn't mind paying them to do it, because it was a very well done dlc expansion and a fitting ending. Please, please, please, Bioware: do the same here.

Exactly! They need to Broken Steel it! Like you said, the fans will be happy and EA/Bioware will make lots of money off of this. Bioware has listened to their fans before (Ex. Garrus romance, Tali romance, etc.) so hopefully they'll do it again! They can end Shep's story without Shep dying or getting stranded/lost/crappy existence/whatever! I will pay lots of money to get a Broken Steel-type DLC. Maybe it doesn't have to be as extensive but enough for fans like me that don't like the endings. And for people that like the endings, they don't have to buy the DLC.

I am not even half way through the game...and I honestly I don't want to finish it. At least not for a while. I am dreading the ending....I am trying to avoid it for as long as I can.

Fan servise ruined the game in the first place so no.

Oh, come on. Tali is like the Taylor Swift of the Mass Effect universe. Saying no to her is like watching someone be mean to a puppy.

Modifié par Ohpus, 07 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Caelistas]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

Hopefully Bioware releases an official comment soon.

There were a lot of answers from BioWare during the last hours and days, but they ignore all complaints about the ending. I think they just don't accept our discontent.

You mean they're going to do something?

Or they just don't care?

I mean they don't accept our position. They are proud of their work and we are wrong. So far.

If over 70% of all members of this forum agree that their is "something terribly " wrong with the endings, then there is something wrong. We are all Bioware fans here(so far) but we are very vocal if we agree that something isn't good.

[J5550123]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

People are proposing that Bioware gives us new endings with downloadable content. Now if the content costs money, there is a profit right there. And if it's free, then the fans will forgive them and buy their future games which is also a profit.

Thats what im saying.. They might be waiting for more information on how it goes when it is further released in other countries. From playing the game though it seems they are funneling the story to fit what they like instead of leaving it flexible for the player to choose. I do agree though if they dont fix **** like this.. why bother.. I loved Mass effect and dragon age but it seems they are making it more.. FPS one style shooter.. Instead of the RPG i loved.

I love the shooter gameplay, I do. And I actually didn't mind that there weren't as many choices, because I felt good that there were in the past two games. You still had a few choices at least in this one. The problem was that the ending did not change hardly at all, and again it was very depressing even with the "happy/perfect" ending. I'm sure the people that are upset can agree that they do love this trilogy very much. It's just that the ending ruined hours and years of Mass Effect entertainment, and we just want a proper conclusion.

[Westy357]

The big winner in all this is John Romero. He no longer is the most hated person in the gaming world after his Daikatana flop. The new 'most hated' is the entire Bioware staff.

[funfryfrenzy]

J5550123 wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

People are proposing that Bioware gives us new endings with downloadable content. Now if the content costs money, there is a profit right there. And if it's free, then the fans will forgive them and buy their future games which is also a profit.

Thats what im saying.. They might be waiting for more information on how it goes when it is further released in other countries. From playing the game though it seems they are funneling the story to fit what they like instead of leaving it flexible for the player to choose. I do agree though if they dont fix **** like this.. why bother.. I loved Mass effect and dragon age but it seems they are making it more.. FPS one style shooter.. Instead of the RPG i loved.

I love the shooter gameplay, I do. And I actually didn't mind that there weren't as many choices, because I felt good that there were in the past two games. You still had a few choices at least in this one. The problem was that the ending did not change hardly at all, and again it was very depressing even with the "happy/perfect" ending. I'm sure the people that are upset can agree that they do love this trilogy very much. It's just that the ending ruined hours and years of Mass Effect entertainment, and we just want a proper conclusion.

No no.. dont get me wrong i love FPS.. But its the story line that comes with an FPS.. You know what i mean? FPS's come with the One glove fits all story. I hate that.

[J5550123]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

People are proposing that Bioware gives us new endings with downloadable content. Now if the content costs money, there is a profit right there. And if it's free, then the fans will forgive them and buy their future games which is also a profit.

Thats what im saying.. They might be waiting for more information on how it goes when it is further released in other countries. From playing the game though it seems they are funneling the story to fit what they like instead of leaving it flexible for the player to choose. I do agree though if they dont fix **** like this.. why bother.. I loved Mass effect and dragon age but it seems they are making it more.. FPS one style shooter.. Instead of the RPG i loved.

I love the shooter gameplay, I do. And I actually didn't mind that there weren't as many choices, because I felt good that there were in the past two games. You still had a few choices at least in this one. The problem was that the ending did not change hardly at all, and again it was very depressing even with the "happy/perfect" ending. I'm sure the people that are upset can agree that they do love this trilogy very much. It's just that the ending ruined hours and years of Mass Effect entertainment, and we just want a proper conclusion.

No no.. dont get me wrong i love FPS.. But its the story line that comes with an FPS.. You know what i mean? FPS's come with the One glove fits all story. I hate that.

Exactly. And Mass Effect was always about choice, and they even marketed this one as a game where your choices decide the fate of the galaxy, and that just wasn't true. I mean sure, you got a small choice at the end, but only for three different depressing endings where none of the things you did before really matter. There wasn't even a boss fight, which was fine with me, but the depressing ending just hurts the overall experience.

[Ohpus]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I will manage this as follows:

If they don't fix it -> I will never buy a game from BioWare again
If they fix it and want money for it -> I will buy the DLC, but no more game from BioWare for the full price
If they fix it for free -> all fine, we are friends again, BioWare, I will buy your games and DLC as before

I saw similar posts when they mangled DA II. They didn't fix anything. They just released a couple DLCs with the idea of what direction they were going in. Some of the issues were still there with their restrictive narritive. I couldn't even face the DA II ending again.


 
I don't think we have enough mass to effect any change in this 3rd release.

[J5550123]

Ohpus wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

I will manage this as follows:

If they don't fix it -> I will never buy a game from BioWare again
If they fix it and want money for it -> I will buy the DLC, but no more game from BioWare for the full price
If they fix it for free -> all fine, we are friends again, BioWare, I will buy your games and DLC as before

I saw similar posts when they mangled DA II. They didn't fix anything. They just released a couple DLCs with the idea of what direction they were going in. Some of the issues were still there with their restrictive narritive. I couldn't even face the DA II ending again.


 
I don't think we have enough mass to effect any change in this 3rd release.

We'll see. But people were mostly upset about the gameplay with Dragon Age II. People here mostly seem to only dislike the ending and not the rest of the game.

[funfryfrenzy]

Mass effect was built off of "Making your destiny" type of story with a straight-forward ending but many ways to alter than ending effectively. Mass effect 2 had some of the same traits but had grown towards more Combat oriented gameplay than story-line based. Still had a great deal of choices like ME1.. ME3 on the other hand fits into a Third person FPS more than an RPG. Most of the dialogue has been changed to Auto with some deciding factors but overall pre-made to fit their story. Maybe it was oversight from EA that had a hand in them pushing for an FPS style game instead of sticking to their roots.(personal opinion) Gameplay great... Storyline driven.. yea right

Modifié par funfryfrenzy, 07 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[jbajcar]

Well, now that I have finished the game I can official say it: "The game titan, Bioware, has official fallen". The game isn't terrible but it's no where near what they used to make in terms of quality both in gameplay and ESPECIALLY story. The ending just doesn't work for me. It leaves you empty and unsatisfied, and just comes off as a cop out.

[Caelistas]

So bioware, think you could make us some DLC, since nobody seems to like the ending?

[J5550123]

Caelistas wrote...

So bioware, think you could make us some DLC, since nobody seems to like the ending?

I second that question.

[bigt1321]

When will Bioware actually answer any one on the matter it seems they are going to be silent about it.

[Ohpus]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Mass effect was built off of "Making your destiny" type of story with a straight-forward ending but many ways to alter than ending effectively. Mass effect 2 had some of the same traits but had grown towards more Combat oriented gameplay than story-line based. Still had a great deal of choices like ME1.. ME3 on the other hand fits into a Third person FPS more than an RPG. Most of the dialogue has been changed to Auto with some deciding factors but overall pre-made to fit their story. Maybe it was oversight from EA that had a hand in them pushing for an FPS style game instead of sticking to their roots.(personal opinion) Gameplay great... Storyline driven.. yea right

I mentioned it before. Replay the demo and look at the options screen. Three modes are two and half the conversation options feel missing.

 It's pretty clear that someone pulled the trigger to meet a deadline. EA was blamed last time for the DA II push.

[funfryfrenzy]

bigt1321 wrote...

When will Bioware actually answer any one on the matter it seems they are going to be silent about it.

Because if they post offically.. it'll turn into a ****storm of people asking for changes that bioware wont do at this time

[Denethar]

Anyone else having that nagging feeling that Bioware is just sitting there, reading this thread while laughing at us....

[Bluumberry]

The game was ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT....until the very end. What were you guys thinking with that ending guys!? I'm crying a waterfall when saying goodbyes to my teammates, sweating while trying to make it to the conduit...and I'm left gaping at the end and not in a good awed way.

[J5550123]

Denethar wrote...

Anyone else having that nagging feeling that Bioware is just sitting there, reading this thread while laughing at us....

I'm not sure about the laughing part, but they are probably reading this forum. They've gotta get their feedback after all.

[funfryfrenzy]

Ohpus wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Mass effect was built off of "Making your destiny" type of story with a straight-forward ending but many ways to alter than ending effectively. Mass effect 2 had some of the same traits but had grown towards more Combat oriented gameplay than story-line based. Still had a great deal of choices like ME1.. ME3 on the other hand fits into a Third person FPS more than an RPG. Most of the dialogue has been changed to Auto with some deciding factors but overall pre-made to fit their story. Maybe it was oversight from EA that had a hand in them pushing for an FPS style game instead of sticking to their roots.(personal opinion) Gameplay great... Storyline driven.. yea right

I mentioned it before. Replay the demo and look at the options screen. Three modes are two and half the conversation options feel missing.

 It's pretty clear that someone pulled the trigger to meet a deadline. EA was blamed last time for the DA II push.

 Yea EA tends to do that kind of ****. If Mass effect falls through at some point.. I bet EA will drop Bioware in a heartbeat.. They tend to suck companies with a chance at being great and discarding them

[K_Tabris]

@funfrenzy how exactly is that realistic when you consdier the Bioware founders on teh board of directors of EA?

jw

[funfryfrenzy]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

@funfrenzy how exactly is that realistic when you consdier the Bioware founders on teh board of directors of EA?

jw

Its all personal opinion. Maybe that was part of the deal. I just hate EA with a passion ><

[dporowski]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Mass effect was built off of "Making your destiny" type of story with a straight-forward ending but many ways to alter than ending effectively. Mass effect 2 had some of the same traits but had grown towards more Combat oriented gameplay than story-line based. Still had a great deal of choices like ME1.. ME3 on the other hand fits into a Third person FPS more than an RPG. Most of the dialogue has been changed to Auto with some deciding factors but overall pre-made to fit their story. Maybe it was oversight from EA that had a hand in them pushing for an FPS style game instead of sticking to their roots.(personal opinion) Gameplay great... Storyline driven.. yea right

Well, not to comment on EA or anything, but yeah, you raise a good point in my head; if this was a different game in the ME universe, different cast, etc, I'd be 100% pleased even with the current endings.  Games can be dark, bad things can happen, but even the BEST ending feels utterly Pyrrhic, which doesn't fit with the other two games.  Give me a shooter where it's this on rails, the endings are this unvaried, and I'll be very pleased, like I was with Deus Ex.  When I've been fighting to save the galaxy and all living things from an inhuman force of destruction, and "victory" is "destroy all galactic government, communication, commerce, travel, and so forth"?

Shepard sacrifices himself to save the galaxy?  Well, I don't like it, but it's appropriate/fitting, and I'd grouse then go on 'cause it's not my favorite.  The Normandy and crew do the same?  Well...  Loyalty, right?  Same thing.  Shots of the galaxy rebuilding, memorials, etc, and I'd at least feel like it mattered.

"Oopsie kaboom, hope you didn't like civilisation"?  I feel like this about like I did with the original ending of Fallout 3, in that "THIS IS NOT HOW A FALLOUT GAME WORKS".

Even the post-credit scene, if that's taken to imply that Shepard lives and goes on to have further adventures--DLC--loses the thread, in that "holy crap winning knocked civilisation down to the level of 'other stars might have life' from 'hey I'm going drinking with my alien buddies, wanna come?'"

[mrpoultry]

Dragon Age Origins is supposed to be a "dark" fantasy yet it still had a satisfying and happy ending(at least for me, even if you sacrificed the warden it still didn't feel like a kick in the nuts).

[People4Peace]

Ohpus wrote...

eye basher wrote...

People4Peace wrote...

Fuzrum77 wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

We don't know for sure if they won't fix this. We shall succeed!

Yeah, I -really- hope Bioware/EA takes a page out of Bethesda's book in regards to Fallout 3's ending. What's critical here is that Bioware doesn't take this as a personal attack and then clam up, refusing to change anything because all this criticism has hurt their collective pride(s?). Bethesda, in response to Fallout 3's jarring and very unsatisfying ending, shrugged and said: Ok. They didn't like it. Let's give them something they do like. And it worked. Everybody won. AND they made money off it. And most importantly, I didn't mind paying them to do it, because it was a very well done dlc expansion and a fitting ending. Please, please, please, Bioware: do the same here.

Exactly! They need to Broken Steel it! Like you said, the fans will be happy and EA/Bioware will make lots of money off of this. Bioware has listened to their fans before (Ex. Garrus romance, Tali romance, etc.) so hopefully they'll do it again! They can end Shep's story without Shep dying or getting stranded/lost/crappy existence/whatever! I will pay lots of money to get a Broken Steel-type DLC. Maybe it doesn't have to be as extensive but enough for fans like me that don't like the endings. And for people that like the endings, they don't have to buy the DLC.

I am not even half way through the game...and I honestly I don't want to finish it. At least not for a while. I am dreading the ending....I am trying to avoid it for as long as I can.

Fan servise ruined the game in the first place so no.

Oh, come on. Tali is like the Taylor Swift of the Mass Effect universe. Saying no to her is like watching someone be mean to a puppy.

Not all fan service is bad. But that is subjective. The point is that Bioware pays attention to what the fans are saying - to what we like and dislike. In fact a lot of fans admire (or at least use to) Bioware for that. A lot of ME3 players are pissed at the endings. If people are okay with Shep dying or living some crappy existence (as far as I am concerned), great!

However a lot of people aren't okay with this. Plus its not just about Shep. They are screwing over so many characters. Honestly I am okay with some characters dying. Its war. But having loved characters starve to death, really? Its sick and like others have said, what is the purpose of the romance/committment and beyond that, what is the purpose of caring for all of these characters if they get crap endings. So we feel emotional and cry? So we're angry? Many players already feel numerous feelings throughout ME3 anyway. SO many people are emotionally invested into the characters. The next few weeks, when more and more players have finished the game or heard about the ending, I think there will be more backlash. Most people aren't asking for a perfect ending....they are asking for an ending that has meaning, that gives hope for the future and for Shep's life along with the remaining squadmates and her/his LI. That isn't asking a lot. Especially since some thought they would get that anyway.

The whole thing is sad really. I have 10-12 ME2 playthroughs and around 6-7 ME1 playthroughs. Each playthrough 20-40 hours. I seriously feel like that was wasted time now. It will be hard enough for me to beat ME3 once....let alone twice....I don't think I could do it 10-12 times. I am okay with some of my Sheps dying (especially the two that romanced Thane - it makes sense) but many of them should live. I worked hard in the first two games (completionist, right here!) and I will do the same for ME3. But to think that it is pointless....its heartbreaking actually. I wish I knew this sooner otherwise I am not sure I would have gotten ME3 and I doubt I would have done so many playthroughs.

Hell even DA2 had a better ending! It had some hope for the main character, their LI and friends/squad. If DA2 (which I don't hate but was a serious dissapointment....sounds like ME3) and ME3 are the best Bioware has to offer....I am not sure if its worth it anymore. Its all on DA3 to redeem itself...well it would only redeem the DA team for me. The ME team doesn't seem to realize or at least doesn't care about what it has done for many of the players and for the ME universe as a whole.