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[WolfForce99]

Dolfworks wrote...

I would like to express my thoughs on the game and ending. I am frustrated because I am not able to discuss it with my husband (he hasn't finished yet and I don't have the heart to ruin in for him...twice).

I started playing ME because my husband saw how disappointed I was with DA2. I don't play shooters and I had watched him play this game and I always thought the game was slow and boring. He convinced me and I played my first game in May 2011. I was hooked. I played until I got the game I was most satisfied with and felt ready to take my Shepard into ME3....and now I blame my husband for ever suggesting I play this game, I am even more disappointed than DA2 but I would play DA2 again and I can't see every playing this series again.

My issues (in case anyone from Bioware is reading which I doubt):

The graphics are inconsistent and glitchy. Sometimes the characters are modeled and colored nice and then they change and become very stiff, character expressions are flat and the skin coloring looks almost plastic sometimes on the characters. I do find it funny when my Shepard's head gets stuck turned sideways while still talking to a character.

The endless running around the Citadel and the horrible quest log. The log gives no clue as to where to find the items (unless you have the book which of course is Bioware's point). The planet scanning to acquire said item requires multiple reloads because the stupid Reaper "mini-game". The fuel issue, why did they have fuel .... again.

The character interactions end with Shepard after you have reached a certain point. No more dialog trees. They should have had dialog for each mission/Act. I mean really, after your "date" and after your romance culmination you never talk to your LI in dialogue again, what were they thinking, oh I am sorry I forgot they did give us one more, the goodbye.

Decisions don't matter, at all and never will because of the ending....

3 options (and a surprise one if you endure another "plus" playthrough).
All options end the reapers invasion, destroy the Mass Effect Relays and based on the video all appear to have Shepard die even though the book says they can live but since it isn't "visualized" who cares.

The choices, Destroy, Control or Merge, Control is the only option that leaves your "universe" with your choices.

BUT....:

You destroy all the relays in all options so far so all of the forces you have brought to earth are now stranded there,
Wrex won't be ruling Tuchanka
Quarians aren't reclaiming their homeworld
Geth are going to be living with a lot of organics
All of the aliens stranded wil die anyway because off starvation
When you destroyed all of the relays how many planets were destroyed along with them or did Bioware forget destroying a relay is a BIG thing.
etc......you could go on and on.....

I appreciate the opportunity to vent so that I can pack away my Mass Effect games, delete my save files and wait until my husband finishes so that we can rant together and agree to NEVER again pay for a collectors edition of a game made by Bioware/EA.

That was a good read.

[Militarized]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Totally ridiculous, what was the point of having Jack as a LI? You tease us a long to see how she someone so abused can be brought back from the brink if given a chance and loved only to throw it to the wayside?

The endings were even worse, needs to be fixed ASAP. It's like they had them down with an epic battle and it was going to be "can you stop them? IF you can you rebuild if you can't.. well you're screwed or maybe even somewhere inbetween." along the same lines of ME2.... but instead you end up with weaksauce man vs machine slipper slope fallacy philosophy with ZERO CLOSURE to your characters story.

There is literally ZERO reason to go back and replay, get new LI's, see how things are affected because it seems so far, from what everyones experienced, you are pigeon holed into these dumb ass endings where they try and pretend to be "deep".... ugh it's gross. What a waste of time.

On a side note, the game was PERFECT... literally PERFECT right up to the ending. It's like your climbing an uber tall fence... you finally make it the top all proud of yourself and when you try and swing yourself over to see what's on the other side you get your nuts caught up on the top of the fence and just sit there in agony to caught up in the pain to find out WTF it is you were trying to see before.

Man those are some golden words. I agree completetly.. I had stories lined up to see what would happen with each.. But guess what.. I finished one... Cant bring myself to finish the rest knowing that it wont change and they are all screwed from the get-go. GG Bioware.. (Favorite line.. GAME OVER MAN... GAME OVER)

Thanks happy to vent my frustration but I wonder if they'll say/do anything about it. 

I really just don't get it... I'd love to talk to the writers and see WTF they were thinking. Did they really take that much of a creative hit to their team when they lost 
Drew Karpyshyn to SWTOR?

[J5550123]

Militarized wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Totally ridiculous, what was the point of having Jack as a LI? You tease us a long to see how she someone so abused can be brought back from the brink if given a chance and loved only to throw it to the wayside?

The endings were even worse, needs to be fixed ASAP. It's like they had them down with an epic battle and it was going to be "can you stop them? IF you can you rebuild if you can't.. well you're screwed or maybe even somewhere inbetween." along the same lines of ME2.... but instead you end up with weaksauce man vs machine slipper slope fallacy philosophy with ZERO CLOSURE to your characters story.

There is literally ZERO reason to go back and replay, get new LI's, see how things are affected because it seems so far, from what everyones experienced, you are pigeon holed into these dumb ass endings where they try and pretend to be "deep".... ugh it's gross. What a waste of time.

On a side note, the game was PERFECT... literally PERFECT right up to the ending. It's like your climbing an uber tall fence... you finally make it the top all proud of yourself and when you try and swing yourself over to see what's on the other side you get your nuts caught up on the top of the fence and just sit there in agony to caught up in the pain to find out WTF it is you were trying to see before.

Man those are some golden words. I agree completetly.. I had stories lined up to see what would happen with each.. But guess what.. I finished one... Cant bring myself to finish the rest knowing that it wont change and they are all screwed from the get-go. GG Bioware.. (Favorite line.. GAME OVER MAN... GAME OVER)

Thanks happy to vent my frustration but I wonder if they'll say/do anything about it. 

I really just don't get it... I'd love to talk to the writers and see WTF they were thinking. Did they really take that much of a creative hit to their team when they lost 
Drew Karpyshyn to SWTOR?

They'll probably say something about it. I mean look at how many pages there are on here and comments there are about it all over the forum. Bioware says they read the forums as well, so I hope they reply. The question is whether they'll give us new endings or not.

[hismastersvoice]

Post game DLC for those who survived can happen. New endings? Not likely. The amount of retrofitting it would take to accommodate anything but the most basic stuff, like the Origins end stories, into existing game scripts would be massive.

Call me a cynic, but something tells me that DLC is already being made, or is close to finished. Just a hunch based on general EA marketing practices.

[Tigerjunky]

Bledz wrote...

Tigerjunky wrote...

So we have a name... Operation Broken trust... and a semi plan. We just needed to get Bioware to notice, make SOME sort of a statement...

I promise, they are noticing this thread.

They noticed the outrage of the DA2 game, this one is much more explosive, from what I remember.

I hope they have the integrity to at least tell us "Sorry no DLC"

[J5550123]

hismastersvoice wrote...

Post game DLC for those who survived can happen. New endings? Not likely. The amount of retrofitting it would take to accommodate anything but the most basic stuff, like the Origins end stories, into existing game scripts would be massive.

Call me a cynic, but something tells me that DLC is already being made, or is close to finished. Just a hunch based on general EA marketing practices.

Post game downloadable content can work too. Like an epilogue mission or something explaining what happens would probably be fine for everyone.

[fearan1]

14000 replies has bioware commented on the ending controversy yet anywhere? I finished give it a solid 7/10 but with terrible endings. My Canon ending would just show Shepard walking to make his choice obviously victorious then fade to black leaving the decision unknown.

[J5550123]

fearan1 wrote...

14000 replies has bioware commented on the ending controversy yet anywhere? I finished give it a solid 7/10 but with terrible endings. My Canon ending would just show Shepard walking to make his choice obviously victorious then fade to black leaving the decision unknown.

I don't think they have commented officially yet. With this many replies though, they've got to say something eventually.

Modifié par J5550123, 08 mars 2012 - 02:11 .

[eye basher]

J5550123 wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

14000 replies has bioware commented on the ending controversy yet anywhere? I finished give it a solid 7/10 but with terrible endings. My Canon ending would just show Shepard walking to make his choice obviously victorious then fade to black leaving the decision unknown.

I don't think they have commented officially yet. With this many replies though, they've got to say something eventually.

Why reply is not like they owe you people anything.

[J5550123]

eye basher wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

fearan1 wrote...

14000 replies has bioware commented on the ending controversy yet anywhere? I finished give it a solid 7/10 but with terrible endings. My Canon ending would just show Shepard walking to make his choice obviously victorious then fade to black leaving the decision unknown.

I don't think they have commented officially yet. With this many replies though, they've got to say something eventually.

Why reply is not like they owe you people anything.

Everyone here paid at least $60 for this game that has a disappointing ending. Most of us put years into this series and lots of time and money and Bioware promised that the choices in every game effected the ending and all this stuff but then they give you three endings that are nearly identical and don't conclude everything. I think they owe us a response at least.

[dronegazer]

Reboot everything,

Thanks.

[J5550123]

dronegazer wrote...

Reboot everything,

Thanks.

That's probably what they're going to do with Mass Effect 4.

[thePredator50]

I'm not sure what to think. The endings weren't BAD. The biggest complaint people have that I've seen is the "synthetics destroying organics so that organics don't create synthetics that would destroy organics" loophole. This is bull**** really, the Reaper's motivation and reasoning is sound.

The endings are simply unfulfilling, that's all. If we had another 10m of aftermath footage, some closure for the other crew members, ANYTHING, it would have made up for most of it. I'm not happy about the entire trilogy being boiled down to an A / B / C choice in the last second of it, but I believe this is one of those "it's the trip that matters" things. To be honest, if I were writing this I'd have it all culminate in one ending as well. That makes the overall universe more coherent and allows for a better jump-off point for future games / stories. Although we all know that all potential games will be set before this trilogy...

Now, the only REAL plothole I see here is the destruction of the Mass Relays - destroying one killed the population of an entire star system. Now we simultaneously blew them ALL up? Doesn't sound healthy to me. Of course, with 3 more dialogue lines it could have been explained that by sending the self-destruct signal along, the relay loses power and simply falls apart rather than exploding violently like the alpha relay... But alas, the ending was rushed and such an implication is never given.

Rushed I believe is the best explanation here; the idea was sound, but required at least another hour of elaboration. Especially since the existence of a higher intelligence than the reapers is hinted at on Thessia.

tl;dr - There is none, elaborate thoughts can't be condensed in one paragraph. Someone tell that to Bioware's ending writers.

DLC Aftermath please.

[J5550123]

Most of us are hoping for a downloadable content epilogue or something that clears up loose ends.

[Militarized]

thePredator50 wrote...

I'm not sure what to think. The endings weren't BAD. The biggest complaint people have that I've seen is the "synthetics destroying organics so that organics don't create synthetics that would destroy organics" loophole. This is bull**** really, the Reaper's motivation and reasoning is sound.

Please explain to me why this motivation is sound and reasoned, it was just an excuse and a complete departure from what seemed to be the regular Mass Effect philosophy to make a contrived choice that appeared "deep". They should have cut the game at the fleets fighting and I'd have been happier then this bs excuse for philosophy and "choice". 

[Zered]

That kind of crap endings is what makes Dragon Age 2 endings start to seem like a good idea.

[LilyasAvalon]

michalooo wrote...

That kind of crap endings is what makes Dragon Age 2 endings start to seem like a good idea.

At least we could end up with our LI's in those...

[thePredator50]

Militarized wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

I'm not sure what to think. The endings weren't BAD. The biggest complaint people have that I've seen is the "synthetics destroying organics so that organics don't create synthetics that would destroy organics" loophole. This is bull**** really, the Reaper's motivation and reasoning is sound.

Please explain to me why this motivation is sound and reasoned, it was just an excuse and a complete departure from what seemed to be the regular Mass Effect philosophy to make a contrived choice that appeared "deep". They should have cut the game at the fleets fighting and I'd have been happier then this bs excuse for philosophy and "choice". 

My apologies, I was unclear - what I meant to say is that it's sound in the sense that it's not a paradox / loop or whatever else people meant when complaining about it. As for the philosophy behind it, I'm not sure about it yet. There's A LOT to digest here, and I need to sleep it over, as do most people. I guarantee you that no one here has given this whole thing enough thought to make sensible decisions about the big picture.

[Zered]

Yeah, the DA2 were bad. But compared to this crap they were great. Oh, well swtor subscription cancelled. I urge other people to this as well. No point in investing money into bioware since obviously they are not learning from their mistakes.

[Militarized]

thePredator50 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

I'm not sure what to think. The endings weren't BAD. The biggest complaint people have that I've seen is the "synthetics destroying organics so that organics don't create synthetics that would destroy organics" loophole. This is bull**** really, the Reaper's motivation and reasoning is sound.

Please explain to me why this motivation is sound and reasoned, it was just an excuse and a complete departure from what seemed to be the regular Mass Effect philosophy to make a contrived choice that appeared "deep". They should have cut the game at the fleets fighting and I'd have been happier then this bs excuse for philosophy and "choice". 

My apologies, I was unclear - what I meant to say is that it's sound in the sense that it's not a paradox / loop or whatever else people meant when complaining about it. As for the philosophy behind it, I'm not sure about it yet. There's A LOT to digest here, and I need to sleep it over, as do most people. I guarantee you that no one here has given this whole thing enough thought to make sensible decisions about the big picture.

Ah, well yeah it's not paradoxical but I would say it's dumb. The problem is they give no big picture... I blow up the Reapers and then, instead of being in the middle of fighting them for some reason the Normandy ran away into a Mass Effect point? Then the 2 squad members I had with me down on earth who presumably got fried by Harbinger are on the Normandy? It made literally ZERO sense. 

I don't see how sleeping on it will help I loved the game, literally thought it was one of the best RPGs I had played up until those "endings". 

[Bledz]

your righti n that most people haven't thought this through.

I'm sure there's a reason they want all relay's destroyed, there's a reason the endings are so similar.

But no one cares, even realizing that, I doubt they would care, they want to feel that what they've done is make a difference and impact throughout these games, because that's what they've been about.

You would think, with the end of the series, they'd be able to really let loose and create some CRAZY endings... But they couldn't be more similar.

[Kyzo]

Am I the only one that thinks that even a cliche ending like Shepard dieing in his/her LI's arms after the destruction of the reapers would be a bit more well received then the endings we did get?

[RabidWHM]

I thought maybe, I was a freak until I found this thread. I have become so invested so deeply that I honestly cannot pick up the game anymore after witnessing that ending. I found everything so confusing that I cannot make out anything that has happened. The game was perfect. I had my emotional rollercoaster. I lost people that were important to me; I rekindled an old romance after so much time has passed. ME3 was looking to be everything I hoped for, minus a few personal story holes I thought needed fixing but that is a matter of preference. I ended the game mouth hanging open and my heart empty. I know this is Shepards final chapter but I thought it would go along the lines of ME2 where your choices ACTUALLY made a difference not have everyone doomed no matter what I choose. Shepard, the crew, the galaxy races are all doomed no matter what.

I had known shep would die before the game came out and prepared for that but I also prayed for an option to have at least one of my shepards make it through to return home to find some peace with their loved ones. I wanted Shepard with some closure something. What was the point in a game where all the choices mattered until the end? That should have been where it counted the most. Are you kidding? How can this be the true ending to Shepard. A simple solider thrown into a galaxy at war, forced to be its savor not to have at least one ending that could have been at least happier. My Shep has found no peace…all the sacrifice, the loss, the promises…what was it all for?

“Shepard has become a legend”… No **** Sherlock you don’t need some irrelevant old guy and some kid speaking of old tales to know that. I have supported everything Mass Effect for years now. I invested so much into these games. I have four Shepards. I have mass effect art books, N7 Hoodie, collecter's edition ME3, EVERY DLC (ME1-ME2). I feel like all that was a waste. I cannot feel like I’m being dramatic because of the sheer amount of love I have for this franchise that I just feel cheated and used for my money. How can they kill off everything we loved? There is no hope in any of those endings. Why have multiple endings where nothing was different!!? Ugh seriously.
I’m heartbroken and I cannot pick up any more play-throughs, even for my romantic interests saves. What for? There is no point. The ending is final and the galaxy was doomed before we even started Me3. The choices, the war assets, the broken promises, the alliances between the races it all didn’t matter. I am ruined and a bit scarred. I will never reserve anything collector’s edition again. I will not ever preorder anything bioware. The ending, the conclusion is everything to me. I judge this way by books, movies and games. I read on the forums earlier someone said “if the destination is somewhere you don't want to be, the journey doesn't matter.”
I’m done.

[SJK93]

I just finished the game, it wasn't as horrible as I had believed it was to begin with, but I have some questions. Not all of my squadmates appeared on the new planet. Only Garrus and Kaidan. Can we take that to mean that the rest remain on Earth? Also, (I picked the Destroy ending) I didn't see anything suggesting that Shepard had survives. Is there a cutscene I missed?