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[Bledz]

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

[J5550123]

DifferentD17 wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I've been here since the beginning
of this thread, and I had the smallest amount of hope that there would
be other endings... Now I've played it and all hope is lost... I don't
know what to do now, all my other Sheps are me useless now... So
horrible... I guess I'll go play something better now...

You just gotta try and be optimistic.

Lol I don't even know why I should be on here now... what's the point of being optimistic if they copped out so easily. and it's not the first time I noticed them cutting corners.

I still respect Bioware and I love the games they make, so I do have some faith that they aren't cruel enough to just ignore everyone who spent time and money on this.

[Jahannam]

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

Not a exageration look through the thread at LEAST 20- pages between 5 posters. Im not going to single them out but feel free to read it all.

Yes I am right they can ignore it.

And lets drag this away from Mass effect and bring up irrelevant crap. DA 2 and SWTOR I didnt mention.

600 pages of complaints before release...nuff said.

Modifié par Jahannam, 08 mars 2012 - 08:27 .

[DifferentD17]

J5550123 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

I've been here since the beginning
of this thread, and I had the smallest amount of hope that there would
be other endings... Now I've played it and all hope is lost... I don't
know what to do now, all my other Sheps are me useless now... So
horrible... I guess I'll go play something better now...

You just gotta try and be optimistic.

Lol I don't even know why I should be on here now... what's the point of being optimistic if they copped out so easily. and it's not the first time I noticed them cutting corners.

I still respect Bioware and I love the games they make, so I do have some faith that they aren't cruel enough to just ignore everyone who spent time and money on this.

They were cruel enough to make such a bad ending. DA2 and now this, how can I trust them not to rush every game they make? I had to start over 4 missions just because a door wouldn't open, we couldn't import our ME1 faces. They almost force you to play Multiplayed if you want the ending with Shep breathing. They didn't explain anything else that happened to the species. How could I have any faith now? And all the reviews are lies about a "satisfying" ending.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 08 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[Flammenpanzer]

I loved the game. It was amazing. Gameplay, plot, everything felt so good. Then....

...the end pissed me right off.

[J5550123]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

I loved the game. It was amazing. Gameplay, plot, everything felt so good. Then....

...the end pissed me right off.

Exactly. We're not just bashing the game. Hardly any of us are saying the game sucks. Most people love the game, it's just the endings that upset people.

[Flammenpanzer]

J5550123 wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

I loved the game. It was amazing. Gameplay, plot, everything felt so good. Then....

...the end pissed me right off.

Exactly. We're not just bashing the game. Hardly any of us are saying the game sucks. Most people love the game, it's just the endings that upset people.

As someone said earlier, I'd literally pay for DLC that brought in new endings.

[Bledz]

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

Not a exageration look through the thread at LEAST 20- pages between 5 posters. Im not going to single them out but feel free to read it all.

Yes I am right they can ignore it.

And lets drag this away from Mass effect and bring up irrelevant crap. DA 2 and SWTOR I didnt mention.

600 pages of complaints before release...nuff said.

Alright, so lets say there's 20 pages in this mess of discontent that belong to a small group...  You're going to discredit the other 540 pages?

How is DA2 and SWTOR irrelevant, just because you didn't bring it up doesn't mean it has no relevance, get over yourself - it's embrassing to think you actually infer that your introduction of a subject allows substance.  BioWare is a business, a track record will generally have reprecussions, in this case, it's a negative track record.

As for before release?  Wut?  You must not know what this thread is about.

[DifferentD17]

What's worse about only having what feels like one ending, is that what's the point of playing any side missions?

[Jahannam]

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

Not a exageration look through the thread at LEAST 20- pages between 5 posters. Im not going to single them out but feel free to read it all.

Yes I am right they can ignore it.

And lets drag this away from Mass effect and bring up irrelevant crap. DA 2 and SWTOR I didnt mention.

600 pages of complaints before release...nuff said.

Alright, so lets say there's 20 pages in this mess of discontent that belong to a small group...  You're going to discredit the other 540 pages?

How is DA2 and SWTOR irrelevant, just because you didn't bring it up doesn't mean it has no relevance, get over yourself - it's embrassing to think you actually infer that your introduction of a subject allows substance.  BioWare is a business, a track record will generally have reprecussions, in this case, it's a negative track record.

As for before release?  Wut?  You must not know what this thread is about.

Yes because more than 2/3rds of them were by people that had not even played the game and complained pre launch. So you that discredits them right off the bat. Complaining on heresay and speculation and not fact. Alot of others that have played I do respect their opinion.

DA 2 and SWTOR are irrelevent this is mass effect 3. You probably craped in your pants as a baby should I use that against you?

This thread was started pre release. Look at the dates.

Modifié par Jahannam, 08 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[Flammenpanzer]

I think I'd rather have 'Reapers win everyone dies' ending than these ones, to be honest.

[J5550123]

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

Not a exageration look through the thread at LEAST 20- pages between 5 posters. Im not going to single them out but feel free to read it all.

Yes I am right they can ignore it.

And lets drag this away from Mass effect and bring up irrelevant crap. DA 2 and SWTOR I didnt mention.

600 pages of complaints before release...nuff said.

Alright, so lets say there's 20 pages in this mess of discontent that belong to a small group...  You're going to discredit the other 540 pages?

How is DA2 and SWTOR irrelevant, just because you didn't bring it up doesn't mean it has no relevance, get over yourself - it's embrassing to think you actually infer that your introduction of a subject allows substance.  BioWare is a business, a track record will generally have reprecussions, in this case, it's a negative track record.

As for before release?  Wut?  You must not know what this thread is about.

Yes because more than 2/3rds of them were by people that had not even played the game and complained pre launch. So you that discredits them right off the bat. Complaining on heresay and speculation and not fact. Alot of others that have played I do respect their opinion.

DA 2 and SWTOR are irrelevent this is mass effect 3. You probably craped in your pants as a baby should I use that against you?

This thread was started pre release. Look at the dates.

Even if it was started pre-release, there are plenty of angry people here now that have beaten the game. I beat the game opening day and was disappointed, so here I am. I just hope Bioware cares about its fans.

[Bledz]

Jahannam wrote...

Yes because more than 2/3rds of them were by people that had not even played the game and complained pre launch. So you that discredits them right off the bat. Complaining on heresay and speculation and not fact. Alot of others that have played I do respect their opinion.

DA 2 and SWTOR are irrelevent this is mass effect 3. You probably craped in your pants as a baby should I use that against you?

This thread was started pre release. Look at the dates.

That's irrelevant, the information was out, it has nothing to do with speculation because it was all true.  Whether or not they had played it doesn't matter.

If the game had released and the endings were different, then there's no reason for this to exhist.  But it's not speculative, you don't have to endure something to know you won't like it, all that matters is validity in this argument and clearly, the argument is valid.

Again, you're being obtuse.  It seems to be difficult for you to fathom that BioWare is coming off a track record for two overhyped and poorly received games, if you think that has no baring on how they're going to treat this situation, then I can do nothing for you.

Modifié par Bledz, 08 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[DifferentD17]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

I think I'd rather have 'Reapers win everyone dies' ending than these ones, to be honest.

This.
Or have Shep die with his/her crew saving the galaxy  in the process.

[Jahannam]

J5550123 wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Whoa 500 pages. Wow. People are complaining about the endings all over the Internet, on gaming forums, YouTube videos, you name it. Bioware can't ignore us, it would be in their best interest to release happy endings dlc, paid or free. There would be no point to playing me1 or 2 otherwise.

-Polite

There's nearly 14,000 comments on this thread alone. And yeah, I doubt Bioware can ignore us.

So how many games have they sold? More than 14k. Also...take a look at how many people are repeat posters. Ive watched this thread since it started and its safe to say several people have enough post to add up to multiple pages of this thread on their own. I could name off 4 or 5 posters that add up to at least 20 pages. Being loud, post count..means diddly. People cry about everything everywhere..big deal. Bioware can ignore you and it should be apparent they have since the leaked script first came out.

Ironically, the exageration you mention is only overshadowed by your own.  At least 20 pages?  Really...?

You're right, BioWare can ignore all this.

But would that be smart?  I heard that SWTOR's numbers are about a third of what was expected and DA2 - well we all remember that.

This isn't anywhere near the other two, because they delivered a solid product, but to ignore something so harshly criticized on this wide of a scale would be idiotic.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure where near 600 pages of complaints on one thread a day after launch doesn't warrant attention.

Not a exageration look through the thread at LEAST 20- pages between 5 posters. Im not going to single them out but feel free to read it all.

Yes I am right they can ignore it.

And lets drag this away from Mass effect and bring up irrelevant crap. DA 2 and SWTOR I didnt mention.

600 pages of complaints before release...nuff said.

Alright, so lets say there's 20 pages in this mess of discontent that belong to a small group...  You're going to discredit the other 540 pages?

How is DA2 and SWTOR irrelevant, just because you didn't bring it up doesn't mean it has no relevance, get over yourself - it's embrassing to think you actually infer that your introduction of a subject allows substance.  BioWare is a business, a track record will generally have reprecussions, in this case, it's a negative track record.

As for before release?  Wut?  You must not know what this thread is about.

Yes because more than 2/3rds of them were by people that had not even played the game and complained pre launch. So you that discredits them right off the bat. Complaining on heresay and speculation and not fact. Alot of others that have played I do respect their opinion.

DA 2 and SWTOR are irrelevent this is mass effect 3. You probably craped in your pants as a baby should I use that against you?

This thread was started pre release. Look at the dates.

Even if it was started pre-release, there are plenty of angry people here now that have beaten the game. I beat the game opening day and was disappointed, so here I am. I just hope Bioware cares about its fans.

Im sure they do care.. Running a game company isnt a democracy between developers and fans. If I write a book and people hate the ending...well dont read it. Its not your place to tell me what I can do. If you want things different...join a game dev, write and get hired by one ect. I see games as a art...and last I heard nobody told Da Vinci..hey, I hate that redo it or I will get a mob with pitchforks to camp in your yard until you do.

[J5550123]

The thing is though, Bioware went on and on about how your choices impact the ending and every loose end is tied up and all kinds of things like that only to give you three endings that are nearly identical.

[wrongemail]

Though this will obviously be lost in the 550+ pages of this thread, I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of disappointment about the ending of ME3. What a colossal botch (imo). If I could present EAware with a middle finger, I would. In the words of Captain Hook, "Bad form, Peter! Bad form!"

[J5550123]

wrongemail wrote...

Though this will obviously be lost in the 550+ pages of this thread, I'd just like to add my voice to the chorus of disappointment about the ending of ME3. What a colossal botch (imo). If I could present EAware with a middle finger, I would. In the words of Captain Hook, "Bad form, Peter! Bad form!"

I love the quote from Hook. :happy:

[Bledz]

Jahannam wrote...

Im sure they do care.. Running a game company isnt a democracy between developers and fans. If I write a book and people hate the ending...well dont read it. Its not your place to tell me what I can do. If you want things different...join a game dev, write and get hired by one ect. I see games as a art...and last I heard nobody told Da Vinci..hey, I hate that redo it or I will get a mob with pitchforks to camp in your yard until you do.

This is all so rife with ridiculous notions.

You're right, a writed can produce whatever type of work he'd like.  But if no one likes his work, I hope he has a steady separate income or an early retirement plan.

Obviously no one here can demand they do anything, but the concept of supply and demand comes to mind.  The longer they continue to dissapoint their fanbase, the smaller it will become.

These notions of "like it or don't play" is ridiculous.  Try and tell that to the EA stakeholders and see how it turns out.

[Aramintai]

Alright, so I've completed the game - it left a very sour note, but I've ranted about that earlier. So now I just want to point out some things about the endings.

The endings are not only hugely disappointing, with a creeping feeling of detachement from the overall  story, they also feel rushed and have some serious unexplained plot holes and dangling loose ends:

1. Squadmates. When you make the final limp to the beam that leads to the Citadel you stumble upon two of your squad mates who were with you in the end. Whether they are dead or just knocked out cold is not shown, however what is shown in all endings is that they are somehow teleported all the way back to the Normandy, because you can see them coming out of the hatch with Joker after Normandy crashes on some random planet. How is that even possible, considering that Normandy is supposed to be with the rest of the fleet fighting the Reapers? There is no way, with such a short time given, they could have reached the Normandy on shuttle and  the whole idea is baffling as a whole, because there's no reason for squad mates to leave the fight on Earth  before confirming the mission success, or not to look where Shep has gone .
The overall fate of the Normandy crew is not shown - it may as well be team dextro starving\\inbreeding colony suggestion for all we know.
Verdict:  Squadmates teleporting to the Normandy in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole. The fate of the Normandy crew is a dangling loose end.

2. Normandy. The Normandy itself in all endings is shown fleeing the Sol system through Mass Relay. Why? Not explained. At all. And no, the allied fleets were not given a command to retreat or anything - they are last seen battling the Reapers. Joker just chickened out? Looks idiotic and unlikely, more like it's some major oversight on devs part.
Verdict:  Normandy fleeing through the Mass Relay in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole.

3. The allied fleets. Their fate at the end of the battle is not shown. How will they get back to their homes with Mass Relays destroyed is not elaborated upon. Considering that some races have poured all that they have into this battle their fate as a whole is a matter of great concern.
Verdict: The fate of the allied fleets in the end is a dangling loose end.

4. The Citadel. How in the world did the Reapers drag that thing to Sol system? Considering its size and that it has no propulsion can it actually be squeezed through Mass Relay? Nothing is said or shown on how the Reapers managed this feat.
Also, nothing is mentioned about millions of people and the Council that were on the Citadel at the time. It is doubtful that they've managed to evacuate themselves, so it's possible that all the time Shep has spent on helping them was a total waste of time, but he\\she doesn't even comment on that.
Verdict: Moving Citadel to Sol system in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole.

5. The Illusive Man. How did he get to the Catalyst in the end? Is it possible that he arrived on the Citadel before it was moved and then managed to find a way into the Citadel core from the inside, just waiting for Shep to come? Not explained. Oh, and his fate in the end - Saren 2.0.

Verdict: TIM being in the Catalyst chamber is a minor unexplained plot hole.


6. The fate of the galaxy. It is only elaborated upon from the words of the Catalyst, nothing more specific except for the glowing eyes in Synergy ending and "Old Man and a Creepy Child" cutscene in all endings is shown. 

Verdict: The fate of the galaxy in the end is a dangling loose end.


7. Synergy ending. Imminent space magic? Not explained and frankly I don't think it can be explained to any satisfaction, because it's the most idiotic and badly thought out ending of all three.

Verdict: The mechanism behind the Synergy ending is a glaring  unexplained plot hole.



I'm sure I can come up with some more points, but these are the major ones I cannot come to gripes with. I can only say that the cake was a lie after all, guys. With such a number of glaring unexplained plot holes, oversights and dangling loose ends there is no way I can accept devs earlier statement, in which they said that ME3 will give us a definite, satisfying ending with all loose ends tied and answered. This just doesn't feel right and after replaying the final act again I'm starting to feel that maybe it had undergone some hasty major overhaul, at least that would explain the sinking feeling of it being rushed. 

Modifié par Aramintai, 08 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[Jahannam]

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Im sure they do care.. Running a game company isnt a democracy between developers and fans. If I write a book and people hate the ending...well dont read it. Its not your place to tell me what I can do. If you want things different...join a game dev, write and get hired by one ect. I see games as a art...and last I heard nobody told Da Vinci..hey, I hate that redo it or I will get a mob with pitchforks to camp in your yard until you do.

This is all so rife with ridiculous notions.

You're right, a writed can produce whatever type of work he'd like.  But if no one likes his work, I hope he has a steady separate income or an early retirement plan.

Obviously no one here can demand they do anything, but the concept of supply and demand comes to mind.  The longer they continue to dissapoint their fanbase, the smaller it will become.

These notions of "like it or don't play" is ridiculous.  Try and tell that to the EA stakeholders and see how it turns out.

Woking fine so far. May lose what...lets go by this thread 14k fans? Big deal really. A few thousand here and there...as long as you gain more than you lose nobody cares

[J5550123]

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Im sure they do care.. Running a game company isnt a democracy between developers and fans. If I write a book and people hate the ending...well dont read it. Its not your place to tell me what I can do. If you want things different...join a game dev, write and get hired by one ect. I see games as a art...and last I heard nobody told Da Vinci..hey, I hate that redo it or I will get a mob with pitchforks to camp in your yard until you do.

This is all so rife with ridiculous notions.

You're right, a writed can produce whatever type of work he'd like.  But if no one likes his work, I hope he has a steady separate income or an early retirement plan.

Obviously no one here can demand they do anything, but the concept of supply and demand comes to mind.  The longer they continue to dissapoint their fanbase, the smaller it will become.

These notions of "like it or don't play" is ridiculous.  Try and tell that to the EA stakeholders and see how it turns out.

Woking fine so far. May lose what...lets go by this thread 14k fans? Big deal really. A few thousand here and there...as long as you gain more than you lose nobody cares

Not every fan comments online. There could be millions of angry fans that you don't know about.

[DifferentD17]

Aramintai wrote...

Alright, so I've completed the game - it left a very sour note, but I've ranted about that earlier. So now I just want to point out some things about the endings.

The endings are not only hugely disappointing, with a creeping feeling of detachement from the overall  story, they also feel rushed and have some serious unexplained plot holes and dangling loose ends:

1. Squadmates. When you make the final limp to the beam that leads to the Citadel you stumble upon two of your squad mates who were with you in the end. Whether they are dead or just knocked out cold is not shown, however what is shown in all endings is that they are somehow teleported all the way back to the Normandy, because you can see them coming out of the hatch with Joker after Normandy crashes on some random planet. How is that even possible, considering that Normandy is supposed to be with the rest of the fleet fighting the Reapers? There is no way, with such a short time given, they could have reached the Normandy on shuttle and  the whole idea is baffling as a whole, because there's no reason for squad mates to leave the fight on Earth  before confirming the mission success, or not to look where Shep has gone .
The overall fate of the Normandy crew is not shown - it may as well be team dextro starvinginbreeding colony suggestion for all we know.
Verdict:  Squadmates teleporting to the Normandy in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole. The fate of the Normandy crew is a dangling loose end.

2. Normandy. The Normandy itself in all endings is shown fleeing the Sol system through Mass Relay. Why? Not explained. At all. And no, the allied fleets were not given a command to retreat or anything - they are last seen battling the Reapers. Joker just chickened out? Looks idiotic and unlikely, more like it's some major oversight on devs part.
Verdict:  Normandy fleeing through the Mass Relay in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole.

3. The allied fleets. Their fate at the end of the battle is not shown. How will they get back to their homes with Mass Relays destroyed is not elaborated upon. Considering that some races have poured all that they have into this battle their fate as a whole is a matter of great concern.
Verdict: The fate of the allied fleets in the end is a dangling loose end.

4. The Citadel. How in the world did the Reapers drag that thing to Sol system? Considering its size and that it has no propulsion can it actually be squeezed through Mass Relay? Nothing is said or shown on how the Reapers managed this feat.
Also, nothing is mentioned about millions of people and the Council that were on the Citadel at the time. It is doubtful that they've managed to evacuate themselves, so it's possible that all the time Shep has spent on helping them was a total waste of time, but heshe doesn't even comment on that.
Verdict: Moving Citadel to Sol system in the end is a glaring unexplained plot hole.

5. The Illusive Man. How did he get to the Catalyst in the end? Is it possible that he arrived on the Citadel before it was moved and then managed to find a way into the Citadel core from the inside, just waiting for Shep to come? Not explained. Oh, and his fate in the end - Saren 2.0.

Verdict: TIM being in the Catalyst chamber is a minor unexplained plot hole.


6. The fate of the galaxy. It is only elaborated upon from the words of the Catalyst, nothing more specific except for glowing the eyes in Synergy ending and "Old Man and a Creepy Child" cutscene in all endings is shown. 

Verdict: The fate of the galaxy in the end is a dangling loose end.


7. Synergy ending. Imminent space magic? Not explained and frankly I don't think it can be explained to any satisfaction, because it's the most idiotic and badly thought out ending of all three.

Verdict: The mechanism behind the Synergy ending is a glaring  unexplained plot hole.



I'm sure I can come up with some more points, but these are the major ones I cannot come to gripes with. I can only say that the cake was a lie after all, guys. With such a number of glaring unexplained plot holes, oversights and dangling loose ends there is no way I can accept devs earlier statement, in which they said that ME3 will give us a definite, satisfying ending with all loose ends tied and answered. This just doesn't feel right and after replaying the final act again I'm starting to feel that maybe it had undergone some hasty major overhaul, at least that would explain the sinking feeling of it being rushed. 

I really feel like the ending was rushed as well, it was very disappointing.

[Jahannam]

J5550123 wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Im sure they do care.. Running a game company isnt a democracy between developers and fans. If I write a book and people hate the ending...well dont read it. Its not your place to tell me what I can do. If you want things different...join a game dev, write and get hired by one ect. I see games as a art...and last I heard nobody told Da Vinci..hey, I hate that redo it or I will get a mob with pitchforks to camp in your yard until you do.

This is all so rife with ridiculous notions.

You're right, a writed can produce whatever type of work he'd like.  But if no one likes his work, I hope he has a steady separate income or an early retirement plan.

Obviously no one here can demand they do anything, but the concept of supply and demand comes to mind.  The longer they continue to dissapoint their fanbase, the smaller it will become.

These notions of "like it or don't play" is ridiculous.  Try and tell that to the EA stakeholders and see how it turns out.

Woking fine so far. May lose what...lets go by this thread 14k fans? Big deal really. A few thousand here and there...as long as you gain more than you lose nobody cares

Not every fan comments online. There could be millions of angry fans that you don't know about.

And that goes both ways...Millions that are happy with it.