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[DifferentD17]

Scarlet Heroine wrote...

Has anyone seen this from Michael Gamble on twitter?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

He also probably doesn't want people trading it in. They lower the retail fast when that happens.

[TaylorC183]

Scarlet Heroine wrote...

Has anyone seen this from Michael Gamble on twitter?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

Well this gives me some hope.
SOME.
Definitely not holding my breath though...

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

TaylorC183 wrote...

Scarlet Heroine wrote...

Has anyone seen this from Michael Gamble on twitter?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

Well this gives me some hope.
SOME.
Definitely not holding my breath though...

If so, we'll suffocate.

[Olueq]

Oh damn, some pre final mission DLC. FFS.

[IndelibleJester]

OblivionDawn wrote...

I feel...

I feel like everyone I knew and loved in the entire galaxy just died.

I hope Bioware patches the ending (yes, it is broken), because at this point, it is official that Shepard has killed more innocent people than his enemies have during the course of the Mass Effect series.

Legit, I feel the same way. I feel like Shepard tried their damned hardest and ended up destroying everything.

[recentio]

CommanderSmacker wrote...

Why wouldn't they give us DLC to rectify the endings? We are the fanbase and they need us for feedback. If they don't fix it, then I believe it could have dire consequences on any of their future titles.

I know I'm not remotely interested in any DLC that isn't an alternative ending.

[WarBaby2]

Scarlet Heroine wrote...
Has anyone seen this from Michael Gamble on twitter?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

When exactly was that? ;-)

Never mind...

Now that I'm nearly at the end of the game, I have to say: Atleast now I understand where the endings come from... the neverending circle of life and death, chaos and order, the mathematics behind the universe as a whole... not original, but atleast it's a story... and for this kind of story, the ending is fitting.

What I don't quite get is, why all the build up? All this talk about "When this is all over..." and "After the war...". Atleast for our hero, there is no real after... maybe in one ending, but not even that is clear. Is this hopeful blah blah just what intelligent beeings say in such a situation, you know, representation of the human (alien) psyche, or is BW building up for something that actually comes after the game... maybe... someday... if sales are ok?

EDIT: Besides... by the end of the game, Shep is pretty much gone anyways. All this trauma, all this guilt... hw probably never would really recover from the last months of his life anyways.

Modifié par WarBaby2, 09 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[recentio]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Scarlet Heroine wrote...

Has anyone seen this from Michael Gamble on twitter?

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

He also probably doesn't want people trading it in. They lower the retail fast when that happens.

That's a big reason why putting in nothing but bad endings was not a good idea...no replay value = major boost to the used market = punch to the gut for new sales.

I still think it's PR BS. Everything they have said about this game has been coy and misleading. Unless they specifically say "We are going to release a DLC with alternative ending(s)." I won't believe it.

[Luigitornado]

Stranded? Possibly...I saw it as a "new beginning" maybe I'm nuts.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

I would laugh if after the credits, instead of grandpa Shepard, we saw normal Shepard and he/she said, "Finishing the fight."

[TaylorC183]

I don't really want/need a "we're all gonna skip with bunnies down the newly saved roads of earth holding hands" happy ending...I would just like a ending that doesnt break my heart so much. And one that would live up to the standards set by the rest of the game.

Curing the genophage and having mordin sacrifice himself (not to mention the music that goes with it)
Losing Legion
Losing Thane
Thinking for a horrible few minutes you had lost Grunt...

All of those scenes gave me chills/made me get teary eyed. As weird as it was it was like I was literally losing people I knew because I had spent so much time investing in them.

The ending FLATLINED compared to the emotional depth presented in the other scenes. That is what I most want Bioware to fix. They need to put more emphasis on people and what the future holds in store for them because like others have said...the entire game is centered around your relationship with your squad mates

[Asiant]

TaylorC183 wrote...

I don't really want/need a "we're all gonna skip with bunnies down the newly saved roads of earth holding hands" happy ending...I would just like a ending that doesnt break my heart so much. And one that would live up to the standards set by the rest of the game.

Curing the genophage and having mordin sacrifice himself (not to mention the music that goes with it)
Losing Legion
Losing Thane
Thinking for a horrible few minutes you had lost Grunt...

All of those scenes gave me chills/made me get teary eyed. As weird as it was it was like I was literally losing people I knew because I had spent so much time investing in them.

The ending FLATLINED compared to the emotional depth presented in the other scenes. That is what I most want Bioware to fix. They need to put more emphasis on people and what the future holds in store for them because like others have said...the entire game is centered around your relationship with your squad mates

+1 I feel exactly the same

[WarBaby2]

Luigitornado wrote...

Stranded? Possibly...I saw it as a "new beginning" maybe I'm nuts.

It's supposed to implay that, yea... but people are reading faaar too much into it... no wonder, the ending is much more akin to a Anime series, then a western RPG.

[StarcloudSWG]

Knowing how 'groupthink' works in a creative setting, the writing team was probably honestly *astonished and surprised* at the massive backlash they've been getting. The fact is, while they brainstormed the current endings, they *failed* to look at it from the player's perspective. They failed to take into account the whole "not wanting to end a series in a depressing way." They failed to address the fact that their "bittersweet" endings put the "sweet" emphasis in the wrong place (the Reapers) and the "bitter" emphasis on the characters that the players *really* cared about.
They decided that "Deus Ex"-like endings would fit the trilogy, without really examining it at all in the context of the Mass Effect series.
All in all, the endings are unsatisfying and come across as being lazily written and animated.

[IndelibleJester]

WarBaby2 wrote...

What I don't quite get is, why all the build up? All this talk about "When this is all over..." and "After the war...". Atleast for our hero, there is no real after... maybe in one ending, but not even that is clear.

That is something that stings like hell - your LI talking about your future together, especially the ones optimistic about it, and you break promises to them, spoken and unspoken.

[WarBaby2]

StarcloudSWG wrote...
All in all, the endings are unsatisfying and come across as being lazily written and animated.

As was many other aspects of the game... I mean, integrating all the other characters into mission that would have happened anyways (but not even as temp. squadmates, and, with the exception of Jack, with the exact same models, textures they had in ME2), the DA2esque "I found something that belongs to you" fetch quests... all that was very lazy. The story missions on the other hand... big cinema!

Why is BW always failing when it comes to details...

Modifié par WarBaby2, 09 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[Luigitornado]

JezebelWasFramed wrote...

CronosVengence wrote...

So, Tali who needs technology and medical supplies to keep alive...gets stranded on a planet. So what, a few months to live? Awesome. Wonder what other challenges other species will have to endure on the new planet? How long they will live? Awesome. So essentially. My Shepard FAILED at saving anyone he cared about? Awesome. Even if Shepard lives, he is stranded in space with...what provisions? Huh...so even if he lives he dies a slow death? Awesome. Just Awesome. I have not even played the game today...hoping I will come here and see someone say that there is, in fact, a secret ending that makes me happy. so far, looks as though I will not finish this game...anytime soon, if ever.

That's the part that's getting to me.

Besides, even if I accept the fact that characters I directly cared about die (which I can- I've shot Wrex more than once for the drama potential), isn't the rest of the galaxy going to have a lot of trouble surviving without technology/the mass relays? How much food is grown on the Citadel, or any of the heavily urbanized planets? There's a mention of "terminator seeds" coming into use in human colonies in the codex entry for Horizon; how many agricultural planets are going to run out of the seeds they need to be self-sustaining with the mass relays- their only way of importing these things from out of system- either down or destroyed? It's possible that some population in the first case could sustain themselves with hydroponic gardening (if they didn't die from fighting over now-limited supplies or from nutrient deficiencies that they couldn't take care of), and that there are agricultural worlds that could become self-sustaining, but that's still a terrible fate to bring on the galaxy.*

I'd just like an ending that doesn't make me say "At least the Reapers might have killed people quickly."

*OK, yes, I guess I've spent some time wondering why this set of endings bugged me when other bleak/bittersweet endings haven't. Mostly because I paid for this game, love most of it, and don't want to be pushed into avoiding any part of it.

Life will adapt, and we will destroy our selves. It's not too hard to understand. I mean I understand why fans are upset, but it is all about the balance of the universe and such.

Think about it as reality. Our population will inevitably grow, we won't find a mass relay beyond Pluto, we will probably never colonize new worlds, and we will either adapt to the world/growing population we have, or we will destroy our selves. The ending is about order in the galaxy, not destroy dem evil Reapers and making sure our comrades are safe.

[IndelibleJester]

If I knew a happy ending was coming, I'd play Mass Effect from the beginning all over again. This bad ending keeps me from ever really being able to play Mass Effect again - for a very long time, at least. I can't even get up the motivation to play the multiplayer. I can't stand the idea that ALL of my Shepards will have nearly the exact same ending. I actually wanted an ending similar to (but not quite like) this for two of my three Shepards, but I never expected I'd be forced to the same thing with all three Shepards. I just have no motivation to continue with the series now. If this isn't fixed, maybe in a long time I might try again. Maybe.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 09 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[Luigitornado]

So I'm guessing Bioware should have shown a group of fans the endings before the release (...well they kind of did...maybe they leaked them on purpose and ARE planning alternate endings?), and they should do what Hollywood does and test for the most pleasing conclusion(s), so could have known what we wanted.

I'm sorry, I really am, but I can't take this whining anymore. As consumers all we do is demand, demand, demand, demand, and we feel entitled to whatever we believe will please us.

I've always viewed video games as an art form, and as I have always believed art should not be mettled with by people who are not creating it.

I can't stop laughing at gamers demanding for their money back. Go find something better to do with your time.

Bioware, I loved your endings!

[Synthetic Frost]

Gallowglass1983 wrote...

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Synthetic Frost wrote...

I just wish we could get an official response from Bioware. The current endings are universally despised. I'm personally considering calling in and demanding my money back. I'm not satisfied with the product.

In fact, I feel like I've been cheated out of the last 6 years of Mass Effect playing.

Don't blame the entire game. You and I both know that the game and end-game was amazing up until the VERY end...

That almost makes it worse.  Five years and three games, huge ammounts of emotional and time investment in the story, the characters, etc.  And then to have it end like this? 

Someone else said something similar but I'll echo it; I want the happy ending option!  I played paragon for a reason, I protected and became friends with the squad because I enjoyed the interaction!  I don't want to see everyone and everything I love about the game f***ked over in the end, its just awful.

Flame, I do blame the entire game. The game's story just wasn't of the same caliber as ME1 or ME2. I considered myself a fan of Mass Effect. But there were just little things throughout the whole game that seemed unpolished and/or just didn't make sense within the scope of the game. The horrible endings was just the nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

I should point out that I'm a writer, and do computer programing as a hobby. And there were lots of things about BOTH the story and the technical issues of the game that just irritated me. I don't think ME3 as a whole was a "bad" game (until the ending, anyway), I mean, I've seen much worse...

But it feels so much like EA had the major say in how this game was finished. I don't want DLC endings. EA has already made so many business moves that I consider distastful and unethical... If they are truly going to try and pawn off DLC just to "fix" plot elements that by all rights should've been dealt with IN the core game, that's just vomiting on the cake.

Modifié par Synthetic Frost, 09 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Synthetic Frost]

Bah, double post.

Modifié par Synthetic Frost, 09 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[OblivionDawn]

Luigitornado wrote...

[The ending is about order in the galaxy, not destroy dem evil Reapers and making sure our comrades are safe.

And that would be totally fine if the rest of the series had built up that message. But instead, as far as you knew, there were some evil Reapers and you had to kill them so the galaxy could have peace. People invested in that notion and it was cool.

Instead, the last 5 minutes of the game ends with some kid telling you that your entire galactic population is too stupid to survive without the influence of the Reapers. It was a total crapshoot.

[DifferentD17]

Luigitornado wrote...

So I'm guessing Bioware should have shown a group of fans the endings before the release (...well they kind of did...maybe they leaked them on purpose and ARE planning alternate endings?), and they should do what Hollywood does and test for the most pleasing conclusion(s), so could have known what we wanted.

I'm sorry, I really am, but I can't take this whining anymore. As consumers all we do is demand, demand, demand, demand, and we feel entitled to whatever we believe will please us.

I've always viewed video games as an art form, and as I have always believed art should not be mettled with by people who are not creating it.

I can't stop laughing at gamers demanding for their money back. Go find something better to do with your time.

Bioware, I loved your endings!

Get out of the complaining thread, If a barber gave me a haircut I didn't want I would want my money back. Bioware gave us a bad haircut.

[gbanas92]

Asiant wrote...

TaylorC183 wrote...

I don't really want/need a "we're all gonna skip with bunnies down the newly saved roads of earth holding hands" happy ending...I would just like a ending that doesnt break my heart so much. And one that would live up to the standards set by the rest of the game.

Curing the genophage and having mordin sacrifice himself (not to mention the music that goes with it)
Losing Legion
Losing Thane
Thinking for a horrible few minutes you had lost Grunt...

All of those scenes gave me chills/made me get teary eyed. As weird as it was it was like I was literally losing people I knew because I had spent so much time investing in them.

The ending FLATLINED compared to the emotional depth presented in the other scenes. That is what I most want Bioware to fix. They need to put more emphasis on people and what the future holds in store for them because like others have said...the entire game is centered around your relationship with your squad mates

+1 I feel exactly the same

I agree completely as well. Those are scene for scene the moments that effected me most as well.But apart from those instances, to take 5 years and countless hours of friendships and decisions and to make it all irrelevant is a horrible thing to do. From Bioware of all people, who always seem so determined to listen to their fans, giving us nothing but these options is nothing short of an atrocity. I'm in the camp that wants a happy ending, as well as making it very hard to attain but still possible to get. I'm just utterly shocked at how poor the end was. I expected better of Bioware and judging by all the posts on this thread, I'm guessing alot of others did as well.

[Mander8384]

Luigitornado wrote...

So I'm guessing Bioware should have shown a group of fans the endings before the release (...well they kind of did...maybe they leaked them on purpose and ARE planning alternate endings?), and they should do what Hollywood does and test for the most pleasing conclusion(s), so could have known what we wanted.

I'm sorry, I really am, but I can't take this whining anymore. As consumers all we do is demand, demand, demand, demand, and we feel entitled to whatever we believe will please us.

I've always viewed video games as an art form, and as I have always believed art should not be mettled with by people who are not creating it.

I can't stop laughing at gamers demanding for their money back. Go find something better to do with your time.

Bioware, I loved your endings!

If you don't like "whining" why come to this thread? That just seems illogical to me.