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[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

[J5550123]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

Let's just keep hoping for downloadable content endings.

[P_sutherland]

better ending please!!! cant find the motivation to play through it again... even though majority of it was epic!

[Gallion33103]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

One can hope, but with the track record of gaming nowadays. I'm beginning to loose hope entirely. I'm still shocked of how they released it like this. Lets hope if they do fix it... and they do something better than galactic duct tape.

Hell no wonder i'm so cynical. 

[revaew]

I haven't met one person who was satisfied with the ending. aside from people on this forum, i havent talked to anybody that felt "satisfied" as bioware claims the endings were. I desperately want to play the games again but right now, i just cant bring myself to do it...

[lucidfox]

J5550123 wrote...

Let's just keep hoping for downloadable content endings.

Please tell me you aren't actually going to pay for a different ending...

[Flammenpanzer]

Aside from my dislike for the last 5min of the game, I must ask if anyone has the answer to these questions:

1) Why the hell did Joker high-tail it away from the Sol system in the middle of the battle?

2) On the run to the beam while Harbinger was shooting at me, I ran backwards to ensure Tali and Garrus were still behind me. They left me and the cause for dead? How did they get back to the Normandy??

3) If all technology is dead, cleaning earth from all that Ezo that will be left over from the largest space battle in history will be nigh impossible.

4) Does the ending mean the Quarian species dies? The fact that all tech is destroyed would render their suits lifeless. That cannot be good. All the life-support on all the fleets would surely leave the population near destroyed.

5) I also presume the Geth are also destroyed.

6) Why did the relays explode? Did every solar system with a relay get destroyed? Does that not essentially clense the life of the universe?

And the man telling the story, that seems like that is where my crew was stranded. Why are they talking about aliens as if they might exist? I had an asari female on my crew....you'd think that they'd have seen atleast a few asari in their time considering how they mate.

edit: Not to mention the crew of the Normandy cannot sustain any population whatsoever. Genetic inbreeding and such....

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 09 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[J5550123]

lucidfox wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

Let's just keep hoping for downloadable content endings.

Please tell me you aren't actually going to pay for a different ending...

Honestly I might, and probably would. I'm hoping it's free though. What I want is an epilogue, kinda like a mission where you have to escape the Citadel or something. Another mission wouldn't be bad, I think. I just want my happy ending with my love interest and a story that has a conclusion.

P.S. This guy on YouTube has some pretty good links for fans who want a new ending.

Modifié par J5550123, 09 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[gbanas92]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

Aside from my dislike for the last 5min of the game, I must ask if anyone has the answer to these questions:

1) Why the hell did Joker high-tail it away from the Sol system in the middle of the battle?

2) On the run to the beam while Harbinger was shooting at me, I ran backwards to ensure Tali and Garrus were still behind me. They left me and the cause for dead? How did they get back to the Normandy??

3) If all technology is dead, cleaning earth from all that Ezo that will be left over from the largest space battle in history will be nigh impossible.

4) Does the ending mean the Quarian species dies? The fact that all tech is destroyed would render their suits lifeless. That cannot be good. All the life-support on all the fleets would surely leave the population near destroyed.

5) I also presume the Geth are also destroyed.

6) Why did the relays explode? Did every solar system with a relay get destroyed? Does that not essentially cleans the life of the universe?

And the man telling the story, that seems like that is where my crew was stranded. Why are they talking about aliens as if they might exist? I had an asari female on my crew....you'd think that they'd have seen atleast a few asari in their time considering how they mate.

edit: Not to mention the crew of the Normandy cannot sustain any population whatsoever. Genetic inbreeding and such....

Re:4.) If you stop the Geth/ QUarian war, they mention that the Quarians won't need their suits for much longer, but I'm not sure how much longer that is. So they might live.
Re:5.) If you do the red color (I think it's destroy the reapers?) They mention synthetics will be destroyed and the Geth are named specifically that they will die.


The other stuff? Who the heck knows?

[revaew]

J5550123 wrote...

 I just want my happy ending with my love interest and a story that has a conclusion.

this. this is what i desire

[CrimsonNephilim]

They way the games end right now, any future DLC to me would be pointless and not worth getting because in the end it'll feel like it was for nothing. Shepard either dies or is separated from the crew permanently. With endings like that, why would I want to spend money on DLC that isn't going to change that.

Right now my copy of the ME3 CE is just being used as coffee table clutter.

[Bledz]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

Redundant, but just making sure.  This is the mega thread, right?

[Ksandor]

As Christina Norman said back in ME2 in her Prezi presentation they are inserting story as a secondary element into gameplay nowadays...

Since this is the 3rd game the lead writer got tired of the game. And story as a secondary element approach failed. Bioware worked very hard on this game. You should have seen Casey Hudson's eyes in the interview made in last week.

There were so many details and lose ends left from the first 2 games that Bioware team just got burned out. They worked on the gameplay and cinematics so hard... And probably writers and designers did not communicate or coordinate very well.

Time constraints in the sense of not going over budget led many dialogs to be cut. The dialogs are in fact very sloppy. Shepard or his counterpart usually responds to the imput with a simple yes.

And the game, the characters look very VERY disconnected, they are very depressed and tired. There is a general sense of defeat and all those fancy moves and cutscenes don't give you an epic adventure feel because of that. ME2 got the perfect balance betweer action and story. ME3 overdone that... I knew Bioware would fall into this trap.

Even your LI does not talk much and the game is very linear. This is not a game actually, this is a movie. ME3 did not let me to explore new Normandy for the first few hours. Damn game lemme see my Normandy! But noo... Cutscene after cutscene... Not an investigate or neutral answer option, very few interrupts, Kalisah being over dramatic and melodramatic and acting out of character..

Like teen slashers too much gore, and trying to be dramatic so hard bores you, creates apathy (not a thing you want in a game, you want to have fun) and it looks very forced and artificial.

The brighter Normandy gone and it is full of displaced cables now. Dark Battlestar Galactica imitation.

And Jessica Chobot babe just looks ugly. Sory guys but her model looks very ugly. I don't understand how a man can find that stupid low polygon avatar attractive... And Chobot reporter's voice actor sucks.

Look at Captain Bailey, aside from stupid facial retcon, even the legendary Michael Hogan struggles to get into character because his lines are so disconnected simple fillers that... Clearly Walters exhausted his fuel here.

And Shepard... Is this the kind of hero you want save Earth in your games? Shepard is a mess. My friend had lost her girl friend and got psychiatric treatment. Shepards looks like him.

This is not realism people nor I think a video game should be realistic this much. And the entries I list here are not the result of genuine Bioware attempts of realism. They just failed, got tired and did not have good dialog ideas.

Add to that the contrived Lost type endings designed to undo Mass Effect universe by destroying relays and heroes to create a new setting for a possible MMORPG and the dialogs which are cut for cost efficiency and you get this: A very anticlimactic open ended ambiguous game with no sense of real closure or conclusion.

And remember they had promised us that our choices in the games would matter and we would be truly able to determine the ending of the game. They did not keep their word.

As long as Bioware will think that they will earn more money by ditching single player games and focusing on online games and ditching RPG fans and focusing ONLY on teenage Call of Duty fans this will get even worse with each game.

Look at Hollywood. Talented writers are expensive, good script is expensive so instead we get this soap opera. Once I was telling people that the original Mass Effect is an adult game and calling that space opera would be an insult to Bioware's creativity. It seems calling this game space opera would be an insult to space opera genre.

Dear Bioware story is NOT a secondary element to be injected in the game as byproduct of gameplay. In true video game risk and reward system story AND gameplay are equally important.

In fact I think you should write the script first and insert the gameplay in it. Take a step backwards Bioware. Christina Norman and like minded people, you are mistaken.

Modifié par Ksandor, 09 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[Huyna]

I apologies if I miss the answer, but what major role plays collector base from ME2 in the end for ME3? According to http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings half of 16 endings only achievable if you save it back in ME2. What’s the difference?

[J5550123]

Bledz wrote...

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

Redundant, but just making sure.  This is the mega thread, right?

It's good to make sure. And I'm pretty sure it is. There are thousands of comments and hundreds of pages, so you're in the right place.

[Flammenpanzer]

Bledz wrote...

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

Redundant, but just making sure.  This is the mega thread, right?

A thread with an excess of 500 pages...going on 600...this is the megathread

[405thRazgriz]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Thomas Abram

I can assure you that our development team does read our users posts, postive and negative.

There are a lot of threads discussing this same subject and I ask that you post in the mega thread so we can consolidate all opinions. I can assure you that your opinion has a much higher of being read if it is posted in the mega thread

At least they acknowledge us. They are probably drafting an apology/solution as we speak.

Damage control at its finest.  I'm not holding my breath, despite the POLL numbers.  Look at that, as of this posting, nearly 3000 votes for new endings (mind you, not getting rid of the current endings, just adding some new ones), over 600 votes to retcon the ending, and only 123 to keep them the same.

And those are only the people on the BSN.  How many gamers do you think actually visit these forums, let alone are part of it?

Bioware dropped the ball on an otherwise amazing game's ending.  I have no idea what they were thinking. I don't even mind if Shepard dies, but the numerous (and severe) plot-holes just kills the game for me.  Why the heck should I replay the game if it always ends the same way? -you lose your ship, your friends, your family (LI), and your life, all for the sake of forced drama-

I don't care if there's DLC for taking back Omega or any other similar type of DLC.  I won't purchase it because as of right now, the replayability of the game is at a solid zero for me because of the endings.  No amount of DLC, short of ending DLC, will fix that.

[revaew]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...


Right now my copy of the ME3 CE is just being used as coffee table clutter.

sadly this is my situation as well....


also, the ending proposed here:

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=29101

would also be awesome. I don't use guides, I use trial and error. So I would need to do everything right to defeat the reapers. some other criteria would decide if the Normandy (and thus my LI) would survive. You could bet your bippy that I would play a zillion times to try and get this ending. I would definately replay all 3 games at least several times trying to get this righteous ending. then I would run off with Liara, and live out the rest of my days no longer in fear...

[405thRazgriz]

Heh, I ordered a second N7 Edition to sell at a later date for some extra cash because of how expensive ME1 and ME2 collectors edition go for.

I'll be listing it on ebay this weekend while I can still break even/make a few bucks.

[Giskler]

Two days later and I'm still reeling from the shock of watching these poorly written, contradictory endings.

Bioware can keep their crappy endings as canon for future games if they want, just give me an alternative with a bit more hope and explanation for closure. I dont care about saving the galaxy for future civilizations, I care about the characters I've grown to love over the course of playing 3 games the past 5 years.

If Bioware doesnt correct this in some way I will be extremely skeptical to future games from them. Watching my Shepard's face turn to ash and dooming everyone she cares for to certain death was like a knife in my heart – after all the heartbreak and sacrifice this is how it ends? Seriously?

I just cant fathom that they've so completely lost touch with their fanbase that they can possibly think this ending gives anyone any sense of closure.

[M8DMAN]

revaew wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...


Right now my copy of the ME3 CE is just being used as coffee table clutter.

sadly this is my situation as well....


also, the ending proposed here:

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=29101

would also be awesome. I don't use guides, I use trial and error. So I would need to do everything right to defeat the reapers. some other criteria would decide if the Normandy (and thus my LI) would survive. You could bet your bippy that I would play a zillion times to try and get this ending. I would definately replay all 3 games at least several times trying to get this righteous ending. then I would run off with Liara, and live out the rest of my days no longer in fear...

Same here. I'm amazed that a fan came up with a better ending then the Bioware writers.

[revaew]

^^^^ yeah that ending would be mind blowing. I am not that amazed that a fan came up with something better seeing as I don't think I could make something worse if it was my job

[OchreJelly]

Not sure if these points have been mentioned yet (they are slight tangents beyond the given "terrible ending" theme of the thread, of which I agree about wanting more options.)

I was expecting the human vs. reaper angle to be played up more in the ending, as if they were being specifically targeted by the reapers due to Shepard helping destroy them, or something intrinsic they saw in the human race of which humans were unaware (hence the human reaper in ME2 and the interest in Shepard's body after their death.)

The synthetic vs. organic argument was incredibly weak, seeing as how the reapers themselves were the synthetics who caused the most destruction as far as we know. Nevermind how you can prove them wrong by managing to get the geth and quarians to ally themselves. And then there's EDI...

So yeah... some exposition to explain why they felt they *had* to kill the advanced races; I don't think there were any past events alluded to where massive conflicts occurred, of which the reaper harvesting prevented. It's not even really hinted, just some vague guesswork provided.

Modifié par OchreJelly, 09 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[405thRazgriz]

M8DMAN wrote...

revaew wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...


Right now my copy of the ME3 CE is just being used as coffee table clutter.

sadly this is my situation as well....


also, the ending proposed here:

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=29101

would also be awesome. I don't use guides, I use trial and error. So I would need to do everything right to defeat the reapers. some other criteria would decide if the Normandy (and thus my LI) would survive. You could bet your bippy that I would play a zillion times to try and get this ending. I would definately replay all 3 games at least several times trying to get this righteous ending. then I would run off with Liara, and live out the rest of my days no longer in fear...

Same here. I'm amazed that a fan came up with a better ending then the Bioware writers.

I'm not.  We're fans, we get emotionally attached to the universe (and I'm sure their writers do as well!)  However, the difference is this: we write our endings/stories/canons because we love to.  They write it for a job (once again, I'm sure they love it too!).

There's nothing wrong with that, but they have to work with certain contraints (both in the hardware that will be portraying their writing and the producers who says what stays and what goes).  Fans don't.

I'm a game design student, and am currently writing a script/design doc for a Mass Effect trilogy reboot as an Exercise.  I can say this, it's TOUGH writing for every stickin' variable!

However, that's not to say I'm condoning these endings.  I still hate them because of their lack of closure and massive plot-holes.

[Nykyha]

Here's my opinion, a lot of people paid good money for a game they loved and cared for over the past 5 to 6 years. We got to know the characters, we read the books, action figures, you name it. But what really stifles me, is that the ending was more a slap in the face to all the fans. All the decisions, all the choices, people who truly wanted to save Earth and the galaxy can't because we have been told that there are only 3 possible endings that end only one way, Shepard dies and galaxy ceases to be. No warp gates, no LI, nothing. The story has been amazing up to that point. Why would you do this. I understand you may have been trying to go with a theme here but it doesn't make any sense. Where is the other option, to destroy the reapers and save the tech, and Shepard and the galaxy? You see now, there are a ton of plot holes in the story. There isn't any closure. So manly, the fans want an explanation on why you did this. Secondly, the GaW that you have forced everyone to play is a very poor idea. I can understand if some people want to play it afterwards as something to do, that makes sense. But if you play through the single player and gain a certain amount of points, you only get 50% of them ((that's without playing multiplayer)). So why would you penalize your single player market by forcing them to play multiplayer. It doesn't make sense. ME has always been about choice but this has turned into a fiasco and a lot of people want it fixed. Hopefully, you all at Bioware and EA can sort this out and give people the ME experience they deserve or you may end up having a mass exodus of fans who will return their games ((all of them)) in lieu of this and ask for their money back. The facts are there. You didn't fulfill the tenants that you pride yourselves on; Story, Game play, Customization. You got everyone hyped up and took us all on a ride. What the community wants is a fix, more than just a statement of "we apologize". As someone said earlier, "if you can patch a book, then you can patch a game".

So I believe these are the things that people want addressed:

1. The importing tool needs to be fixed. (This currently being worked on. That's great)

2. Either remove the GaW rating or make it so that it makes a difference in game when you do it in the single player game. What I mean is, the side missions, the N7 missions, and collection missions should count to that rating also since you do have to do them in those regions. Some people don't want to do MP and they shouldn't be penalized for it.

3. The endings. As I stated above, the endings took away from the game. It seemed like the same old stuff you get from like the Matrix or Babylon 5. We, the fans, want a closure ending. An ending that wraps up all of our decisions and choices throughout the 3 games. Simply, how can you make a sequel if the main factor of the game, the mass effect relays, are gone. You have told most of the stories through books, comics, social medial, games and other things. Now you are going to do a movie and possibly a ME 4. Unfortunately, with the endings you have presented, you can't. You have destroyed your creation and anything you decide to put out, past this, will be meaningless and void. My suggestion to this, is to fix it. If you want the IP to progress then it needs to be handled in a way to allow more growth. Doing prequels and current stories won't cut it because of the outcome, essentially it won't matter due to the endings that you have provided.

I know that this is a lot, but look at it this way Bioware/EA. There are lots of people that are upset. There is going to be backlash from this, but lets make a compromise and see what we (you the developer and us the consumer) can do to rectify this. This has been a great series, let me state that. Lets try to save it and move forward from this.

Modifié par Nykyha, 09 mars 2012 - 09:22 .