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[revaew]

OchreJelly wrote...
On the less (more?) serious side, I just can't get over how incredibly
lazy Tali's face photoshop felt (I say this as an artist myself.) At
least have someone model it, paint it, or something... not a quick
photomanipulation. Seemed like a bit of low-grade fanart, really.

you see her face? this is news to me. if the remake the endings i'm definetly having a playthrough to see that....

[AmaraDark]

revaew wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...


Right now my copy of the ME3 CE is just being used as coffee table clutter.

sadly this is my situation as well....


also, the ending proposed here:

http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=29101

would also be awesome. I don't use guides, I use trial and error. So I would need to do everything right to defeat the reapers. some other criteria would decide if the Normandy (and thus my LI) would survive. You could bet your bippy that I would play a zillion times to try and get this ending. I would definately replay all 3 games at least several times trying to get this righteous ending. then I would run off with Liara, and live out the rest of my days no longer in fear...

This is a perfect idea, as at least one additional ending. It answers exactly what drove me the most insane with the ending ptions - they're so tacked on and out of character for Shepard. When has Shepard ever kowtowd to the enemy? Let alone to some deux machina god-child thing? Fem shep would be up there telling them "Bite me! We'll take all of you down or die trying!"

I would like some additional options for people, but that right here would be a proper, heroic ending for people who got nigh-100% completion of everything.

[405thRazgriz]

Yes you see her face. It's an image off of a stock-image website. The model in the picture is beautiful, but because it is a human model, the proportions are off. Heck, even the fingers are wrong. They just blacked out the model's pinky and ring fingers.

There are so many amazing fan-arts done of Tali. Why not just contact one of the artist and offer to put their art into the game instead? I know many (if not all) of the fan artist would gladly do this without requesting money. The very fact that THEY would have designed her face would be the ultimate payoff.

[gbanas92]

Nykyha wrote...

Here's my opinion, a lot of people paid good money for a game they loved and cared for over the past 5 to 6 years. We got to know the characters, we read the books, action figures, you name it. But what really stifles me, is that the ending was more a slap in the face to all the fans. All the decisions, all the choices, people who truly wanted to save Earth and the galaxy can't because we have been told that there are only 3 possible endings that only one way, Shepard dies and galaxy ceases to be. No warp gates, no LI, nothing. The story has been amazing up to that point. Why would you do this. I understand you may have trying to go with a theme here but it doesn't make any sense. Where is the other option, to destroy the reapers and save the tech, and Shepard and the galaxy? You see now, there are a ton of plot holes in the story. There isn't any closure. So manly, the fans want an explanation on why you do this. Secondly the GaW that you have forced everyone to play is a very poor idea. I can understand if some people want to play it afterwards as something to do, that makes sense. But if you play through the single player and gain a certain amount of points, you only get 50% of them ((that's without playing multiplayer)). So why would you penalize your single player market by forcing them to play multiplayer. It doesn't make sense. ME has always been about choice but this has turned into a fiasco and a lot of people want it fixed. Hopefully, you all at Bioware and EA can sort this out and give people the ME experience they deserve or you may end up having a mass exodus of fans who will return their games ((all of them)) in lieu of this and ask for their money back. The facts ares there. You didn't fulfill the tenants that you pride yourselves on; Story, Game play, Customization. You got everyone hyped up and took us all on a ride. What the community wants is a fix, more than just a statement of "we apologize". As someone said earlier, "if you can patch a book then you can patch a game".

So I believe these are the things that people want addressed:

1. The importing tool needs to be fixed. ((This currently being worked on. That's great)

2. Either remove the GaW rating or make it so that it makes a difference in game when you do it in the single player game. What I mean is, the side missions, the N7 missions, and collection missions should count to that rating also since you do have to do them in those regions. Some people don't want to do MP and they shouldn't be penalized for it.

3. The endings. As I stated above, the endings took away from the game. It seemed like the same old stuff you get from like the Matrix or Babylon 5. We, the fans, want a closure ending. An ending that wraps up all of our decisions and choices throughout the 3 games. Simply, how can you make a sequel if the main factor of the game, the mass effect relays, are gone. You have told most of the stories through books, comics, social medial, games and other things. Now you are going to do a movie and possibly a ME 4. Unfortunately, with the endings you have presented, you can't. You have destroyed your creation and anything you decide to put out past this will be meaningless and void. My suggestion to this is to fix it. If you want the IP to progress then it needs to be handled in a way to allow more growth. Doing prequels and current stories won't cut it because of the outcome, essentially it won't matter due to the endings that you have provided.

I know that this is a lot, but look at it this way Bioware/EA. There are lots of people that are upset. There is going to be backlash from this, but lets make a compromise and see what we (you the developer and us the consumer) can do to rectify this. This has been a great series, let me state that. Lets try to save it and move forward from this.

Worded perfectly! And in a civil non-hostile manner. Well done. Also I agree. In particular with (naturally) part 3. I don't feel too bad about the import feature as mine worked just fine, but I have heard of others having major problems. And chaning how the GaW fucntions is also a good idea, as I enjoy the multiplayer sure, but I don't care about it enough to play it alot. I play Mass Effect for its narrative, like most everyone else I imagine.

[J5550123]

I found this petition on another thread.

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

[Flammenpanzer]

405thRazgriz wrote...

Yes you see her face. It's an image off of a stock-image website. The model in the picture is beautiful, but because it is a human model, the proportions are off. Heck, even the fingers are wrong. They just blacked out the model's pinky and ring fingers.

There are so many amazing fan-arts done of Tali. Why not just contact one of the artist and offer to put their art into the game instead? I know many (if not all) of the fan artist would gladly do this without requesting money. The very fact that THEY would have designed her face would be the ultimate payoff.

I wonder if modders can do that? There are more than enough good fan-arts out there.
...must find that image file in the game files

[DifferentD17]

gbanas92 wrote...

Nykyha wrote...

Here's my opinion, a lot of people paid good money for a game they loved and cared for over the past 5 to 6 years. We got to know the characters, we read the books, action figures, you name it. But what really stifles me, is that the ending was more a slap in the face to all the fans. All the decisions, all the choices, people who truly wanted to save Earth and the galaxy can't because we have been told that there are only 3 possible endings that only one way, Shepard dies and galaxy ceases to be. No warp gates, no LI, nothing. The story has been amazing up to that point. Why would you do this. I understand you may have trying to go with a theme here but it doesn't make any sense. Where is the other option, to destroy the reapers and save the tech, and Shepard and the galaxy? You see now, there are a ton of plot holes in the story. There isn't any closure. So manly, the fans want an explanation on why you do this. Secondly the GaW that you have forced everyone to play is a very poor idea. I can understand if some people want to play it afterwards as something to do, that makes sense. But if you play through the single player and gain a certain amount of points, you only get 50% of them ((that's without playing multiplayer)). So why would you penalize your single player market by forcing them to play multiplayer. It doesn't make sense. ME has always been about choice but this has turned into a fiasco and a lot of people want it fixed. Hopefully, you all at Bioware and EA can sort this out and give people the ME experience they deserve or you may end up having a mass exodus of fans who will return their games ((all of them)) in lieu of this and ask for their money back. The facts ares there. You didn't fulfill the tenants that you pride yourselves on; Story, Game play, Customization. You got everyone hyped up and took us all on a ride. What the community wants is a fix, more than just a statement of "we apologize". As someone said earlier, "if you can patch a book then you can patch a game".

So I believe these are the things that people want addressed:

1. The importing tool needs to be fixed. ((This currently being worked on. That's great)

2. Either remove the GaW rating or make it so that it makes a difference in game when you do it in the single player game. What I mean is, the side missions, the N7 missions, and collection missions should count to that rating also since you do have to do them in those regions. Some people don't want to do MP and they shouldn't be penalized for it.

3. The endings. As I stated above, the endings took away from the game. It seemed like the same old stuff you get from like the Matrix or Babylon 5. We, the fans, want a closure ending. An ending that wraps up all of our decisions and choices throughout the 3 games. Simply, how can you make a sequel if the main factor of the game, the mass effect relays, are gone. You have told most of the stories through books, comics, social medial, games and other things. Now you are going to do a movie and possibly a ME 4. Unfortunately, with the endings you have presented, you can't. You have destroyed your creation and anything you decide to put out past this will be meaningless and void. My suggestion to this is to fix it. If you want the IP to progress then it needs to be handled in a way to allow more growth. Doing prequels and current stories won't cut it because of the outcome, essentially it won't matter due to the endings that you have provided.

I know that this is a lot, but look at it this way Bioware/EA. There are lots of people that are upset. There is going to be backlash from this, but lets make a compromise and see what we (you the developer and us the consumer) can do to rectify this. This has been a great series, let me state that. Lets try to save it and move forward from this.

Worded perfectly! And in a civil non-hostile manner. Well done. Also I agree. In particular with (naturally) part 3. I don't feel too bad about the import feature as mine worked just fine, but I have heard of others having major problems. And chaning how the GaW fucntions is also a good idea, as I enjoy the multiplayer sure, but I don't care about it enough to play it alot. I play Mass Effect for its narrative, like most everyone else I imagine.

Let's not forget the Liara replacing your LI fiasco. She shouldn't just replace 6+ other LIs.

[OchreJelly]

revaew wrote...

OchreJelly wrote...
On the less (more?) serious side, I just can't get over how incredibly
lazy Tali's face photoshop felt (I say this as an artist myself.) At
least have someone model it, paint it, or something... not a quick
photomanipulation. Seemed like a bit of low-grade fanart, really.

you see her face? this is news to me. if the remake the endings i'm definetly having a playthrough to see that....

Sorry, I edited that part of my post out. Was a bit offtopic for the thread theme... But yeah, apparently. It's kinda akward. \\o/ But I don't want to get too off track.

[xtorma]

So the ending was a choice, but i didnt get a choice, it just did synthisis. it told me my three options , but only offerd me one. did i miss something?

[funfryfrenzy]

xtorma wrote...

So the ending was a choice, but i didnt get a choice, it just did synthisis. it told me my three options , but only offerd me one. did i miss something?

Techincally yes theres 2 other "endings" they are basically the same just with different colored explosions and characters after the crash.

Looking at the tweets to the producer.. Looks like he could give a damn less about the fan-base.. Always hope for a better ending but looks dim atm.

Funny thought.. This is kind of like the matrix..

Blue pill.

Red pill..

eh **** it purple pill

Modifié par funfryfrenzy, 09 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[Bledz]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

xtorma wrote...

So the ending was a choice, but i didnt get a choice, it just did synthisis. it told me my three options , but only offerd me one. did i miss something?

Techincally yes theres 2 other "endings" they are basically the same just with different colored explosions and characters after the crash.

Looking at the tweets to the producer.. Looks like he could give a damn less about the fan-base.. Always hope for a better ending but looks dim atm.

Funny thought.. This is kind of like the matrix..

Blue pill.

Red pill..

eh **** it purple pill

Link to the tweets?

[Synthetic Frost]

It's hard to take criticism for a project you spent upwards of 10 years on. especially from a forum that's renowned for it's complacency and trolls.

But, Bioware... As a fellow professional writer, and a huge fan of the games... Don't really let it end like this. And don't say "the next game will fix it." I'm tired of shelling out full-price, showing my support, on a medium that has retail pricing plummet within the first year only to be let down.

[funfryfrenzy]

Bledz wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

xtorma wrote...

So the ending was a choice, but i didnt get a choice, it just did synthisis. it told me my three options , but only offerd me one. did i miss something?

Techincally yes theres 2 other "endings" they are basically the same just with different colored explosions and characters after the crash.

Looking at the tweets to the producer.. Looks like he could give a damn less about the fan-base.. Always hope for a better ending but looks dim atm.

Funny thought.. This is kind of like the matrix..

Blue pill.

Red pill..

eh **** it purple pill

Link to the tweets?

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike there you go

[BooMorpheus]

Everyone lets sign the petition, we could try to make things happen.

http://www.gopetitio...-dlc-patch.html

[randomfoo]

So... wow, just finished the game a bit earlier today, managed to stay away from the worst of the spoilers (saw that people were unhappy, of course, but wanted to judge for myself), but now that I have, feel compelled to drop in my 2 cents...

I have to say, I'm pretty blown away. The last few minutes of the game fails on levels that I wouldn't have thought possible considering how great most of the rest of ME3 was executed. I don't even remember the last time I saw an ending that was as lazy/contrived/unsatisfying/plain awful. It's really taken the wind out of my sails and, rather amazingly, retroactively makes me feels worse about the entire ME series (that's... an interesting feeling).

I'm still giving a think about why it feels so wrong, but I think a lot of it deals w/ how all the "choices" given to you by the (completely deus ex machina) Catalyst just makes all the choices/challenges you've faced pretty pointless. Also weird how you're forced to pick one of 3 equally unsatisfying, equally out of character options that really takes the illusion of agency out of ME. There's also no real range of difference whether you did the right things, the wrong things, or skipped most of it.

In terms of execution, considering how well the in-game character deaths (Mordin's, etc) were handled, and how character-driven the core of ME is, I was surprised by how completely how the actual "ending" doesn't seem to reflect that at all. I mean at the end of the day, I care more about my team than the "fate of the universe," especially w/ the utterly cliched choices. To me, all the endings were basically the same except for different color lights. And who thought the DX-style choose-your-own-adventure ending mechanic was anywhere remotely a good idea? Personally, I'd have been much more satisfied if an ending ended up being formed from the chain of choices you'd made throughout the game(s).

Anyway, while I'm mostly disappointed with the lack of emotional resonance the endings provide rather than the specifics, I do have to chime in with some those. The Catalyst reveal is just a horrible deus ex machina - the first thing that popped into mind was the Architect from the Matrix trilogy. That's not a good thing. I'd much rather have talked to Harbinger at the end. At least I'd get some closure w/ the Reapers... as it is, well, they're inert no matter what happens. Also, so many things that don't make sense. Where is the Normandy even going to, aren't they fighting a battle on Earth? If you brokered a truce between the Geth and Quarians, why can't you argue with the Catalyst? Why does any of it matter if all the options blow up the Mass Relays? What are the consequences? What happens to the fleets? Hey, wouldn't the saving the Rachni/allowing ansible connections come into play? What, my Liara LI just got incinerated with no notice on Earth? What, oh it's OK she's on LOST planet with everyone else. Too bad she's not sad about my Shepard dying. What sort of magic is synthesis in the ME universe again? Glad no one minds that I decided to spontaneously recreate all life in the galaxy.

There's probably more, and I could probably torture myself reading all the threads in the forums, but, well, there doesn't seem like there's much point. Signing off from a (former) ME fan that's just pretty bummed right now.

[toots1221]

I don't usually post on forums but I'm so disappointed with the endings that I had to let Bioware know how I feel. I really love Bioware and I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to games, I've loved every single Bioware game I've ever played including Dragon Age 2 and I really loved this game, right up until the end.

I loved the Mass Effect universe. I agonized over the choices I made in the first two games, I created three completely different Shepards because I wanted to see what difference my choices would make on the ending of ME3. I replayed both ME1 and ME 2 at least a dozen different times to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I bought all the DLC for both games. I loved my squadmates and genuinely cared about what happened to them.

I was so excited for ME3. I've never pre-ordered a game before and I've never bought the collectors edition of a game but I made sure I did both with ME3. I bought the books because I didn't want to miss anything related to the story.I even bought the collectors edition guide and a whole bunch of stuff like a couple of ME3 tshirts. Basically if you slapped a ME3 picture on it I probably bought it. I drove my family and co-workers crazy by talking about nothing but ME3 since January. I even took two vacation days off from work so I could do nothing but play. I don't think I've ever been this excited for a game before.

Most of ME3 is absolutely amazing, everything I hoped it would be. There were a few graphics problems and times when the game lagged and a few things I wished had been done differently but mostly I loved it. The story was terrific, the banter and interaction between your squadmates was so cool, the reunion with Kaidan was perfect, Jennifer Hales voice acting was amazing, music was great, there was desperation but there was also hope (which I think was one of my favorite parts, watching Shepard and your team try so hard to hold onto hope when everything was so bleak just had a huge emotional impact on me). Yes I cried at the deaths of former squadmates but they totally made sense in the context of the story.

I spent most of the last two days glued to the computer with a great big grin on my face. Then I got to the endings and they just ruined the game for me. Nothing I did made seemed to make any difference in the end. The endings were just bleak and the game was so perfect up till then. And now the magic is gone, I don't even want to import my other two Shepards and finish their story because what's the point? They'll get the same bleak hopeless ending my last Shepard did. It was not the way I'd hoped my favorite video game would end. I feel silly being so depressed about a video game but I feel like someone I loved has betrayed me. Most of the game was great, I'm just really sad about how it ended.

[Razgriz9327]

First and foremost, I feel that I need to give Bioware credit for making an incredible game. No matter what I feel about the endings, I loved the main game, and have never been so emotionally invested in a story. I was crying like a baby many times during the game, and I am not someone who usually gets emotional. But the ending fails to take into account any of our past decisions. I am not even remotely invested in the ending, since there is no way for me to make a decision consistent with my shep... My shep would have no problem destroying the relays to defeat the reapers, but destroying EDI and the Geth? Invalidates all my decisions suggesting the AI is worth the same as humanity. Sacrificing himself to control the Reapers? sure! but why destroy the relay then? even the "good" ending, destroys the relays. We were fighting to save the galaxy, but even if we succeed, the galaxy we save is nothing like the one we lived in. I have to agree that this is not what we were expecting from a series that despite minor missteps, has given us more diverse choices that anything i have experienced. Hope to see some sort of response, even if it is just to tell us that you have a plan, and everything is going like you expected it. because, honestly, were you expecting something else?

[Miraider]

I'm so disappointed.There was no conclusion at all. In London everybody tells "You're gonna make it, you're beat the Reapers, we believe in you." You get to the Citadel, you shoot Anderson, TIM kill himself and finally some ghost-like child tells you "I created the Reapers, now choose 1 of 3 options how to kill yourself (you may survive 1 if you have big enough army)" THE END. Wait... it is just a story some grandpa telling to his grandson. Let's hear it again....

[DifferentD17]

Miraider wrote...

I'm so disappointed.There was no conclusion at all. In London everybody tells "You're gonna make it, you're beat the Reapers, we believe in you." You get to the Citadel, you shoot Anderson, TIM kill himself and finally some ghost-like child tells you "I created the Reapers, now choose 1 of 3 options how to kill yourself (you may survive 1 if you have big enough army)" THE END. Wait... it is just a story some grandpa telling to his grandson. Let's hear it again....

What's funny is how do you survive just because there are more people fighting? There isn't any specification that shows having alot of people on your side helped you survive some how.

[Bledz]

Y'know, maybe someone will replay with import, get the secret ending and come back screaming - "GUYS! There's closure and epilogue and the ending is longer than 45 seconds!"

Doubtful, because every post here entails some version of "I don't even want to play anymore."

[funfryfrenzy]

Bledz wrote...

Y'know, maybe someone will replay with import, get the secret ending and come back screaming - "GUYS! There's closure and epilogue and the ending is longer than 45 seconds!"

Doubtful, because every post here entails some version of "I don't even want to play anymore."

 this is the secret ending

rick rolled by bioware

[M8DMAN]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Bledz wrote...

funfryfrenzy wrote...

xtorma wrote...

So the ending was a choice, but i didnt get a choice, it just did synthisis. it told me my three options , but only offerd me one. did i miss something?

Techincally yes theres 2 other "endings" they are basically the same just with different colored explosions and characters after the crash.

Looking at the tweets to the producer.. Looks like he could give a damn less about the fan-base.. Always hope for a better ending but looks dim atm.

Funny thought.. This is kind of like the matrix..

Blue pill.

Red pill..

eh **** it purple pill

Link to the tweets?

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike there you go

It's a shame that Mike is being so negative to the fans. I expected more from Bioware.   
 

[Bledz]

Damn you, Funfry.

[M8DMAN]

funfryfrenzy wrote...

Bledz wrote...

Y'know, maybe someone will replay with import, get the secret ending and come back screaming - "GUYS! There's closure and epilogue and the ending is longer than 45 seconds!"

Doubtful, because every post here entails some version of "I don't even want to play anymore."

 this is the secret ending

rick rolled by bioware

Still better then Mass effect 3's ending.

[redfield2]

I feel completely betrayed. My loyalty to BW is now hanging in the balance. I feel my choices and investment were in vain after all. Really, Seriously, Truly, this is it?