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#1451
txgoldrush

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Capeo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

It’s not about the destination, it's the journey :lol: 

oh boy bioware better have a good flame shield. 


because much of th efanbase are retards who judge something out of context before they even get to see it. Like 80% of this thread.

But let the judging of something without context continue.

Its not Bioware getting worse, its their fans becoming more moronic.


Dude, some of us have read the script so stop blathering about context. Over on SA you can get the entire context. 


No you can't.....and the leaked script wasn't final.

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I'm out of the loop, and I like spoilers, can someone PM me all the endings?

God this makes me angry if it really is as bad as ya'll say it is.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

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Whats that bioware?

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Deathspinkshadow wrote...

. . .is anyone else getting MAJOR Matrix-trilogy flashbacks here, or is it just me?


Its not just u, I remiember how mad I was when I saw neo's lifeless body...all that build up gone like magic

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Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.


But first there will be a massive dieoff, many worlds and space stations I imagine would be cut off from supply lines that were their only way of surviving. The only people whould would be ok, would be the farming colonies. The rest would need to resort to cannibalism.

Modifié par Dragonfable of Dain, 29 février 2012 - 04:16 .


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I don`t get what`s wrong with the ending. Would you rather they upload a virus like in Independence Day?

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I dont have a problem with relays blowing up, however in the draft only one ending mentioned them blowing up. The control and merge would have spared them. Why they went and changed this, God only knows. I wouldnt have.

Modifié par Armass81, 29 février 2012 - 04:19 .


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Provo_101 wrote...

So for the relays... Red = Blown up, Blue = temporary shutdown perhaps, and Green = ???


Merge I suppose?

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ratzerman wrote...

Deathspinkshadow wrote...

. . .is anyone else getting MAJOR Matrix-trilogy flashbacks here, or is it just me?

I've initiated my Jaws-Matrix protocol. The original will be cherished forever. All subsequent material will be considered to have taken place in a twisted alternate universe, and should be ignored.


I'm prepped to enter Alien 3 mode. 

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Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.

I don't mind the idea of the relays being destroyed either, actually.  It's the Normandy crew's fate that concerns me, and I'm not really sure how "context" will help with that (to answer the people who keep saying to wait before we make any judgments). 

Also, for the game to present you with a zillion choices from the very beginning of the first game and then for every choice to affect exactly squat in the epilogue is kind of a bait-and-switch ploy.  Haha, we thought we were making a difference, guys!

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GrandpaPorridge wrote...

I don`t get what`s wrong with the ending. Would you rather they upload a virus like in Independence Day?

I rather the normandy does not always get suck into a fricken blackhole and lands up on an unknowen world.

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Green makes everyone into cyborgs with SPACE MAGIC!

A wizard did it.

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DaftArbiter wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.


And then may make tech again, and become slaves to their own tech.

And thus the Reaper cycle continues for all eternity.


They may, but the point is that this would be a fate they made, not one made for them.  They have the freedom to thrive or doom themselves, but they have the freedom.

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...I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't mind how the endings sound? I mean, sure, they suck emotionally. I expect to weep like a baby. But they don't sound *bad*, if the distinction makes sense. This is the final battle for the entire universe. This is combating Armageddon. Honestly, I can't think of a "Bunnies and rainbows!" ending that would fit with the tone of the series, or how bad the Reaper invasion is supposed to be in the first place. Anything less would make the Reaper threat seem much more trivial.

Would I prefer an ending where my Shepard gets to ride off into the sunset with Ashley Williams? No. Does that sound wonderful? Yeah. Does such a consequence-free ending make any sort of sense? No. And the simple fact that I'm so attached to a character in a video game speaks to the excellent writing that BioWare does. And it makes Shepard's sacrifice, OUR sacrifice, that much more personal. And sometimes, no matter what the hero does, he can't save everyone or everything. For the first time in a Mass Effect game, I feel that this has the best chance of being portrayed in a deeply personal, painful way that will be far more meaningful than any other game on the market.

I would also note that one complaint I've seen a lot of would be that Mac Walters is just trying to bludgeon the player with obvious emotional manipulation. First off, I would like to see anyone complaining on these grounds to write a trilogy on the scale (and with the branching paths) of Mass Effect 2 and 3, and make it half as good. Secondly, how is this any more cheesy or lame or poorly written than the ending that many people seem to be asking for (which would be the opposite sort of lame emotional bludgeoning)? And finally, the most pressing complaint seems to be that there is no choice to get out of this dreadful situation entirely. After a certain point, even a game with choices and branching paths needs structure and focus. At this point, the only other endings for the game I could see would be something like ME2, which would fail badly for a third game in a trilogy. Just make the right decisions, get the right upgrades, and all of a sudden, even Harbinger is an easy kill.

On a more business level, if BioWare tried to please every fan, nothing would ever get done. Everyone has a different opinion, so BioWare has to try to make the game that will please the most people possible. And at this point, given that the vast majority of people on these forums haven't played yet, it seems disingenuous to assert that the endings are handled poorly (or amazingly well, for that matter). It could turn out that the previous few paragraphs of my post are nothing but idiotic drivel, and that the endings really do suck terribly. Unfortunately, we can't know. At this point, the only thing we can do is wait. ...and then finish the game as quickly as possible. I'm just trying to be a little more positive about the negative endings.

I hope I've been clear on all of these points. When I get going on a subject, I sometimes talk in circles (or just make no damn sense), so if something I said pisses someone off or just makes no sense, please tell me. I'd be happy to get trolled converse on anything relating to my post. Or Warhammer 40,000. Or Batman. So, to anyone who made it all the way through my wall of text, thanks for reading. :)

Quick Edit: I'd also quickly like to note that the Normandy getting stranded does make me somewhat uneasy, but that is another point that we'd have to play the full game to confirm. Even so, there are enough plot points in Mass Effect that cannot be modified by player choice that throwing something like that in there doesn't seem completely out of character, but I certainly share concerns that if not handled properly in presentation and whatnot it would just be a cheap emotional gutshot. Why can't I spend my the rest of my crippled existence with my buddies? But from what I've seen of the spoilers of this plot point, I really wouldn't be surprised if there was something more to it. Here's to hoping, in any case.

Modifié par Misterpinky0, 29 février 2012 - 04:22 .


#1465
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Capeo wrote...

On the something awful thread Tank explains the colors but I forget now. There's too many pages over there to sort through. I want to know who leaked this picture though. 

Red = destroy, blue = control, and green = merge.

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GrandpaPorridge wrote...

I don`t get what`s wrong with the ending. Would you rather they upload a virus like in Independence Day?


Would you like to explain the logic to me of the Normandy just appearing on a random planet with everyone inside? Cause I can't think of any besides just for the lulz.

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Armass81 wrote...

Green makes everyone into cyborgs with SPACE MAGIC!

A wizard did it.


Ala-ca-zam! Everyone is part robot now! Don't ask me how I did it I don't know, good bye folks!

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GrandpaPorridge wrote...

I don`t get what`s wrong with the ending. Would you rather they upload a virus like in Independence Day?

yes i would, and i want joker to fly the normandy right into harbinger yelling, UP YOURRRRRSSSS!!! :o

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Whelp...

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Allworkandlowpay wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.


And then may make tech again, and become slaves to their own tech.

And thus the Reaper cycle continues for all eternity.


They may, but the point is that this would be a fate they made, not one made for them.  They have the freedom to thrive or doom themselves, but they have the freedom.


There is no fate but what we make, Didn't Kyle Reese teach you anything?

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HOLD THE PHONES FOLKS

That so called "image" proves nothing!

It was found on imgur JUST TODAY with no context where it comes from!

CALM YOURSELVES, THIS IS A FALSE ALARM

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Looks like I won't be getting that endgame group-hug I've wanted for the last 2 years... nor the campfire sing along of koom-bai-ya.

:tear:

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txgoldrush wrote...

No you can't.....and the leaked script wasn't final.

True, at least in the leak script there was no Normandy getting shoved to an uncharted world and the relays always blowing up. <_<

Modifié par Mr.House, 29 février 2012 - 04:21 .


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On a more business level, if BioWare tried to please every fan, nothing would ever get done.

Well, they could try to please someone. That might work.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 29 février 2012 - 04:20 .


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Allworkandlowpay wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.


And then may make tech again, and become slaves to their own tech.

And thus the Reaper cycle continues for all eternity.


They may, but the point is that this would be a fate they made, not one made for them.  They have the freedom to thrive or doom themselves, but they have the freedom.


Then future races are held down by the Meta-Reapers. There's no resolution with this one.

No, the relays need to survive. Civilization needs a reminder of what they can never let themselves ever become, ever again.