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[SpiderFan1217]

Armass81 wrote...

Green makes everyone into cyborgs with SPACE MAGIC!

A wizard did it.

  No no no no!! This is Mass Effect!! It was a SPACE WIZARD!! 

[Dragonfable of Dain]

txgoldrush wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

It’s not about the destination, it's the journey  

oh boy bioware better have a good flame shield. 

because much of th efanbase are retards who judge something out of context before they even get to see it. Like 80% of this thread.

But let the judging of something without context continue.

Its not Bioware getting worse, its their fans becoming more moronic.

Dude I understand your point, I realy do...... however no one is even going to consider your viewpoint if you keep antagonizing everyone.

F That...they need to be kicked, they need to be antagonized. Because they are running off everything but logic. They need to have their idiocy point out.

Do you understand how humans respond to criticism? People can't accept that they are making mistakes, it's always someone elses fault. Otherwise they would have to admit that they are not infallible and we can't come to the realization, because then we could actually learn from our mistakes and do something productive....... like give up video games and focus on school or something....

[scotkrow]

You know this was fun at first, trying to talk sense into people, make them think rationally, or see reason, make them consider alternatives where these endings were at least partially true, but not completely. But this has just turned into a bunch of children throwing hissy fits one way or another. The bullies saying, "I told you so" the whiners saying, "But it's not fair" with their arms crossed, the future emos saying, "life's not fair get over it" and then a few adults standing around saying, "Hey bullies shut up, everyone else, just wait, it's probably not as bad as it sounds" and we're all talking about some new kind of cake or ice cream. So, yeah I'm out of here.

[Big I]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.

The relays brought prosperity to billions, if not trillions of people. They allowed at least a dozen species to colonise other worlds, and allowed the creation of a central galactic government that prioritised peace and stability.


The relays have not inherent ethical bias. All they are is a network of roads that allow and encourage population growth, trade, and freedom of movement. The fact that the people who built those roads are very bad people is irrelevant.

[Yue Fairchild]

I can't believe this. It can't be true.

Why would Bioware do something like this? Even in the perfect ending where you did everything right and awesome, something depressing happens for no reason other than because it would make you feel bad?

That's just so cheap and pretentious, I feel like I'm reading something a fifteen year-old wrote.

AND THEN THEY MADE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR THE SAKE OF THE UNIVERSE THE END after a big happy adventure about surviving no matter what? How does that make any sense?

[CDRSkyShepard]

RiouHotaru wrote...

HOLD THE PHONES FOLKS

That so called "image" proves nothing!

It was found on imgur JUST TODAY with no context where it comes from!

CALM YOURSELVES, THIS IS A FALSE ALARM

Trust me, the earlier you come to grips with this, the better.

This has been proven from multiple, reliable sources...unless they're coordinating a giant troll on us, it's legit.

Or, you can continue to play ostritch and get a sucker punch at the end of the game. Just stating your options.

[ratzerman]

Mac Walters isn't an idiot. Casey Hudson isn't a masochist. There's a reason they did this to us.

If anyone could tell me what that reason is, I'd appreciate it.

[Elegana]

RiouHotaru wrote...

HOLD THE PHONES FOLKS

That so called "image" proves nothing!

It was found on imgur JUST TODAY with no context where it comes from!

CALM YOURSELVES, THIS IS A FALSE ALARM

It could be digital art. IDK, I'm still sticking with my advice: Wait until the game.

[Nyaore]

Tietj wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

I actually like the idea of the mass relays dying. The Relays and the Citadel are a representation of slavery. Organic life, since it's existence in the milky way, have been enslaved by the Reapers, allowed to live in ignorance, guided through the pasture the way the Reapers' desire, and are slaughtered against their will at the Reapers' choosing. All life has been cultivated in this way to make it an easy job.

The Relays might as well be the metaphors for organics shackles, for the absence of free will by the organics. the destruction of them is the final emancipation. Humanity and all life in the galaxy are free, no longer bound by the guidelines of their masters, the road is hard and difficult now, but it is a road in which they all have a choice to find their own destiny. Life rebuilds, and this time it's by it's own accord.

I don't mind the idea of the relays being destroyed either, actually.  It's the Normandy crew's fate that concerns me, and I'm not really sure how "context" will help with that (to answer the people who keep saying to wait before we make any judgments). 

Also, for the game to present you with a zillion choices from the very beginning of the first game and then for every choice to affect exactly squat in the epilogue is kind of a bait-and-switch ploy.  Haha, we thought we were making a difference, guys!

Yeah. I actually had a feeling that something would happen to the relays, and as such have no problem the the implications of them being completely destroyed. It sucks, but I never had a problem with that happening. It's always been the fates of Shepard and their crew that have worried me. You grow to love these people, so you want to at least have the chance to make sure they make it out relatively unscathed - even if you have to jump through hoops in order to accomplish that end. I don't care if I have to reload ME1 and meta game the hell out of it and the subsequent titles in order to get the best ending where the crew is taken care of - just having that choice is enough. 
Everything else makes sense to me. I only start having problem with the relays when you consider what that means for the Normandy crew if they really do get thrown out to parts unknown in all endings.


All in all though, for all my ****ing I'm pretty much calm about what might happen at this point. If the rumors are true - fine. If not - fine. I'll just have to sit back and see how things play out when I have the game myself. Doesn't mean I can't partake in some harmless speculation though.

Modifié par Nyaore, 29 février 2012 - 04:25 .

[Allworkandlowpay]

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...
But first there will be a massive dieoff, many worlds and space stations I imagine would be cut off from supply lines that were their only way of surviving. The only people whould would be ok, would be the farming colonies. The rest would need to resort to cannibalism.

Not really. Ships in Mass Effect use Mass Effect field generators to reduce the mass of their ships to the point that they can travel faster than the speed of light. According to the codex, FTL drives allow ships to travel approximately 10 light years a day. While instantious and long term travel is now seemingly out the window (it would take 23 years to go from one rim of the galaxy to the other) most colonies are close enough to central hub worlds or resource trading worlds to make do. There would be a mass exodus of Human colonies through from the Traverse, likely making a long and slow trek back to the Citadel or trying to make it to SoL. It wouldn't be a massive dieoff, though it would shrink the rate of expansion back to a natural, pre-Reaper influence.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

ratzerman wrote...

Mac Walters isn't an idiot. Casey Hudson isn't a masochist. There's a reason they did this to us.

If anyone could tell me what that reason is, I'd appreciate it.

Because Mac Walters is an idiot.

[DifferentD17]

I followed the scientific theorem, I made the journey to the end, but I didn't write down the conclusion... That doesn't matter right?

[Elegana]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

HOLD THE PHONES FOLKS

That so called "image" proves nothing!

It was found on imgur JUST TODAY with no context where it comes from!

CALM YOURSELVES, THIS IS A FALSE ALARM

Trust me, the earlier you come to grips with this, the better.

This has been proven from multiple, reliable sources...unless they're coordinating a giant troll on us, it's legit.

Or, you can continue to play ostritch and get a sucker punch at the end of the game. Just stating your options.

I must be a masochrist if I actually like to be emotionally sucker punched with video game endings.

[Allworkandlowpay]

LookingGlass93 wrote...
The relays brought prosperity to billions, if not trillions of people. They allowed at least a dozen species to colonise other worlds, and allowed the creation of a central galactic government that prioritised peace and stability. 


The relays have not inherent ethical bias. All they are is a network of roads that allow and encourage population growth, trade, and freedom of movement. The fact that the people who built those roads are very bad people is irrelevant.

Yes, but it is a symbol of slavery and indoctrination. While it did good, it was a shackle of all races - force evolution, the dismantling of free will. As long as the Relays were operational, philosphically speaking all races were still enslaved.

[adneate]

ratzerman wrote...

Mac Walters isn't an idiot. Casey Hudson isn't a masochist. There's a reason they did this to us.

If anyone could tell me what that reason is, I'd appreciate it.

Ratz I don't know how to tell you this but Mac Walters is an idiot and Casey Hudson is a masochist.

Also you have terminal brain cancer and we can't operate or treat it.

Modifié par adneate, 29 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[casedawgz]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...
But first there will be a massive dieoff, many worlds and space stations I imagine would be cut off from supply lines that were their only way of surviving. The only people whould would be ok, would be the farming colonies. The rest would need to resort to cannibalism.

Not really. Ships in Mass Effect use Mass Effect field generators to reduce the mass of their ships to the point that they can travel faster than the speed of light. According to the codex, FTL drives allow ships to travel approximately 10 light years a day. While instantious and long term travel is now seemingly out the window (it would take 23 years to go from one rim of the galaxy to the other) most colonies are close enough to central hub worlds or resource trading worlds to make do. There would be a mass exodus of Human colonies through from the Traverse, likely making a long and slow trek back to the Citadel or trying to make it to SoL. It wouldn't be a massive dieoff, though it would shrink the rate of expansion back to a natural, pre-Reaper influence.

Fueling stations are centered around mass relays. The ships would simply not have enough fuel to drive from one fueling station to the next without relay jumping. Nobody would make it out of the cluster they currently were in after the event occurred. 

[DiegoProgMetal]

Deathspinkshadow wrote...

. . .is anyone else getting MAJOR Matrix-trilogy flashbacks here, or is it just me?

Matrix was better than this, at least Neo and Trinity... Oh, hello Aria... at least they died (almost) together... Here, the LI whoever the he** s/he is, will most probably die of starvation..

[DifferentD17]

What's the point if every relay blows up? It would cause 100s of supernovas, destroying almost every Solar system.

[luzburg]

think a little about it. the guys hwo got the space edition may not had time to complete the game 100% with different playtoughs and maybe havent played 1 or both other games. or have characters enough stored to see all outcomes. i think theres more to it
and how are they going to release dlcs for a game thats always end badly or for events after endgame. and im not completly shure of this but i think it was said that you can still play after the endgame if u survive like in me2..

and the crusible that is the "weapon" thats probably large parts of the main quest is about is basicly a super deathstar with a range that it can destroy a reaper half way across the  galaxy. so with it  and a large fleet with ships that is by now acording to the codex entrys armed with thanix cannons that is capapble to disable any sheilds probably includig reaper sheilds.  so why whynot cant this be won by military might alone we got a reaper killing weapon ffs

Modifié par luzburg, 29 février 2012 - 04:36 .

[Capeo]

Supposed epilogue pic

http://postimage.org/image/lz8pchebx/

[Allworkandlowpay]

casedawgz wrote...

Fueling stations are centered around mass relays. The ships would simply not have enough fuel to drive from one fueling station to the next without relay jumping. Nobody would make it out of the cluster they currently were in after the event occurred. 

Single ships won't make it far, but large transportation vessels in fleets of ships, including fuel tankers will. 

[yoshibb]

adneate wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Mac Walters isn't an idiot. Casey Hudson isn't a masochist. There's a reason they did this to us.

If anyone could tell me what that reason is, I'd appreciate it.

Ratz I don't know how to tell you this but Mac Walters is an idiot and Casey Hudson is a masochist.

Also you have terminal brain cancer and we can't operate or treat it.

Was the last sentence written by Bioware? Cause that's how they seem to want to end every story.

[Provo_101]

DifferentD17 wrote...

What's the point if every relay blows up? It would cause 100s of supernovas, destroying almost every Solar system.

I don't think they actually explode. More along the lines of short-circuiting.

[ratzerman]

adneate wrote...

Ratz I don't know how to tell you this but Mac Walters is an idiot and Casey Hudson is a masochist.

Also you have terminal brain cancer and we can't operate or treat it.

LOL.... but they're NOT! They're both intelligent, accomplished individuals at the pinnacle of their careers. Yet they both decided to give a huge middle finger to their entire fanbase, excluding those who really get off on grimdark endings. Why?  Especially after the DA2 debacle, why enrage their customers like this?

[adneate]

DifferentD17 wrote...
What's the point if every relay blows up? It would cause 100s of supernovas, destroying almost every Solar system.

This time they blow up with Reaper magic so everything is okay except for the SR2 being flung across the galaxy and all galactic civilization being utterly destroyed.