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[JPshieux]

thePredator50 wrote...

I am going to say this - the endings were rushed, there should have been an aftermath.

HOWEVER, most people around here **** not because of the ending quality, but because there was no happy ending. There was never going to be a happy ending, get over it. Sad ending is not the same as bad ending, get your facts straight.

But the endings were bad!  It doesn't answer any of the questions you may have had and only adds more questions with some of the inconsistencies from the ending scenes.  For a game that is suppose to end the Triology, they did a horrible job at tying up loose ends. 

[Katsumi Liqueur]

MordiMoro wrote...

I am Italian Boy...
Many friends in Italy have finished Mass Effect 3 (the game was released a few days before)
Our forums are like this: we are disappointed, confused and disheartened. :-(

Sorry my bad english

Tell them to vote here: http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Let's spread the word!

[Almostfaceman]

thePredator50 wrote...

I am going to say this - the endings were rushed, there should have been an aftermath.

HOWEVER, most people around here **** not because of the ending quality, but because there was no happy ending. There was never going to be a happy ending, get over it. Sad ending is not the same as bad ending, get your facts straight.

Your opinion is welcome. You telling us what to do with ours is not.

[CptStarbucks02]

I have been lurking here for some time and I agree with much
of what has been said. I was also disappointed with the endings for many of the
reasons people have described and would be thrilled to see DLC which adds other
options, or at the very least expands the established endings so we can explore
the implications of what it is we are doing.

 

I understand the emotions that a lot of people are feeling
right now.  I believe that, in some ways,
Bioware should be proud of this intense reaction from the players. I don’t usually
spend much time on game forums but I have never seen such an emotional reaction
by the community regarding the plot of a game. It’d be one thing if everyone
was shouting the game down at every turn, saying how bad it was, how it failed
to live up to expectations. But overwhelmingly I feel that it is the intense
love of the game and the series as a whole is what is fueling this outrage. It
is clear that this is more than just a game for many, and this is due entirely to
the hard work that Bioware has put into the series up until now. To ignore that
does them a serious disservice. They created these characters, they showed us
this world. For this alone, they have my respect and gratitude. I wouldn’t be
so upset right now if you hadn’t done so much right.

 

I don’t feel that threatening Bioware with boycotts, account
cancellations is the proper way to go about this. I see both the logic and the
merit in these decisions, and I won’t argue with anyone who responds in this
way. My disappointment doesn’t come from any feeling of malice or betrayal. I
don’t feel as though I have been wronged. I wish for a “better” ending only
because I love the game so and it would kill me to have to tell people “Mass
Effect is my favorite series of all time… except the last ten minutes.” I don’t
want to have that asterisk there. I don’t want to have to make up my own ending
in my head. It isn’t about Shepard living or dying. It isn’t reuniting with the
LI or not. It is about choice, closure. I believe that the endings that they
have now are valid but, like many people have mentioned before, they are not “MY”
endings.  All 3 endings make me feel
powerless, hamstrung, forced into a decision I do not completely understand and
with shattering implications to the galaxy at large. Like many have said before
there is no closure, no chance to say goodbye to the universe I have come to
love. It is very jarring and leaves me feeling empty.

 

My greatest fear is that all these discussions we are having
are boiled down into simplistic bullet points that fail to capture what I think
that we are all feeling. The person clamoring for “the happy blue children
ending” is not so different from the one clamoring for “the meaningful
sacrifice ending.” It isn’t about Hollywood endings
or cliché or philosophy. What people want is closure, a feeling that the
choices they made have lead them to this moment. No small feat.

 

I would like Bioware to show me a different path, show me
the fourth option. I don’t want it to be an ending that I would create because
I’m a sappy love-dovey family man that would go for the LI reunion in a
heartbeat. I may have paid money, I may be a customer but I do not want to
usurp your role as creator. I don’t need to love the ending, I need to respect
it.

 

Modifié par CptStarbucks02, 10 mars 2012 - 12:26 .

[Nyila]

Erikwrestledabearonce wrote...

All I wanted was to give Tali her damn house on the homeworld. Instead I take a harbinger beam to the face and leave her and the rest of my friends stuck in the middle of nowhere. gg Bioware.

Speaking of Harbinger beams, how the hell did Shepard survive THAT when he/she gets killed by the beams of the smaller Reapers? Is Harbinger a wimp? That could open to a possible new ending: arm wrestling with Harbinger! Shepard turns into a giant robot and arm wrestles the Reaper. Shepard wins, Harbinger gives a gift of wisdom and scrams, Shepard loses, Harbinger gets to put all his ME2 threats in action! Everybody's happy!

...

Sorry, kinda sleep deprived these days..

[Golferguy758]

Also, Disney ending, grim dark ending, melancholy ending, it's not a damn pick two and the last is off limits.

Even in the most gruesome wars. There CAN be happiness. Take World War 1 for example. Christmas day had two opposing armies cease fire, move to no man's land, play soccer, and not kill each other. And that was such a brutally horrendous war.

[laughing sherpa girl]

CommanderSmacker wrote...

Check out this poll. Guy has a good idea on an ending.
http://social.biowar...2&poll_id=29101

I posted the link to massefect on twitter. Maybe bioware can learn something..

[People4Peace]

thePredator50 wrote...

I am going to say this - the endings were rushed, there should have been an aftermath.

HOWEVER, most people around here **** not because of the ending quality, but because there was no happy ending. There was never going to be a happy ending, get over it. Sad ending is not the same as bad ending, get your facts straight.

Well then the devs shouldn't have said the things they did that completely suggests that there are happy/perfect/good endings. That also adds to the confusion and frustration.

And again, this is an RPG. People shouldn't be forced into an ending. Again, look to DA:O. There were options which is exactly what ME3 needed. If you're okay with Shep dying, and well...everyone else getting screwed too, fine. That is your opinion.

But I should be able to get an ending with my Shep alive along with some of her crew and LI. I was never expecting a purely/Disney-esque happy ending. I was expecting a bittersweet one...as opposed to the just plain bitter endings we got. Simple.

And what is the point of working so hard and getting those War Assets? What is the reward? In my opinion, there isn't one.

[Nyila]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Also, Disney ending, grim dark ending, melancholy ending, it's not a damn pick two and the last is off limits.

Even in the most gruesome wars. There CAN be happiness. Take World War 1 for example. Christmas day had two opposing armies cease fire, move to no man's land, play soccer, and not kill each other. And that was such a brutally horrendous war.

Agreed!

[SmokePants]

All this thread proves is that Bioware did their job well. They made you care so much, you completely lost perspective.

Did you really think Sheperd was going to come out of this and go have blue babies (gross)? If they do that, the next Mass Effect game might as well be called, "Mass Effect: Who cares; where's Sheperd?" Just like KOTOR 2 may as well have been called, "Who cares; where's Revan?".

In TOR, we finally saw what Revan was up to and it SUUUUUUUUCKED! It was like someone ripped my skin off and was parading around in it, only it was skin I didn't recognize. But I digress.

Sheperd's story is done. If there's another Mass Effect game set in a later period, they won't have to address him, because you'll know. You'll be free to enjoy a new Sheperd and a new crew and a new ship and have a new story with new themes. Trust me, we're all better off this way.

The ending itself was artful and perfectly captured the underlying themes of the series. This whole discussion reminds me of children complaining because they want ice cream for dinner. Sometimes, parent knows best.

Modifié par SmokePants, 10 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[Sywen]

Almostfaceman wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

I am going to say this - the endings were rushed, there should have been an aftermath.

HOWEVER, most people around here **** not because of the ending quality, but because there was no happy ending. There was never going to be a happy ending, get over it. Sad ending is not the same as bad ending, get your facts straight.

Your opinion is welcome. You telling us what to do with ours is not.

100% agree

[cotheer]

GSS115 wrote...

This is how I see the Endings:

Starts epically then ends flailing all over the place. Bioware please fix this. The endings are understandable (at best) but please don't limit them to that.

I litterally cried of laughter 

[Katsumi Liqueur]

SmokePants wrote...

All this thread proves is that Bioware did their job well. They made you care so much, you completely lost perspective.

Did you really think Sheperd was going to come out of this and go have blue babies (gross)? If they do that, the next Mass Effect game might as well be called, "Mass Effect: Who cares; where's Sheperd?" Just like KOTOR 2 may as well have been called, "Who cares; where's Revan?".

In TOR, we finally saw what Revan was up to and it SUUUUUUUUCKED! It was like someone ripped my skin off and was parading around in it, only it was skin I didn't recognize. But I digress.

Sorry the off topic but WTF did they do with Revan!?

[Archer]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Mass Effect was released in Europe today(yesterday) so I'm sure they want to see the reactions from fans over there as well.

Glad to oblige  from the UK

Utterley brilliant game, excellent character development, some emotional moments, intense action. Great fun all round.

Then i completed it.

The last ten minutes-

Poorly written, poorly implemented. A real kick in the teeth after a 4 year investment building my sheps story. A cheap rip of Battlestar Galactica frankly and no where near as well written. Made absolutley no sense in terms of the trilogy's narative to date.

I cannot believe the same team that made the rest of this masterpiece of a game worked on the endings or that this same team actually thought the fan/player base would enjoy these endings. Every action i took, every decision i made in ME1, ME2, and ME3 make no difference to the ending. No matter what choices i made over the last four years my journeys end boils down to three decisions that result in almost three identical cutscenes.

Bioware told me my decisions would matter in ME3- they dont
Bioware told me i would have a sense of closure- i dont
Bioware told me i would see multiple endings based on my choices- i dont

What i do have is a pile of questions all of which could start with 3 letters-

WTF?

I have posted in a few threads my thoughts on the end and have been an advocate of calm, constructive feedback, but the more i think on this, the more threads i see being deleted or ignored, the more my rage levels start to build

4 Years to see how my story ends, and its not personal, its the same as every other player here who bought this game

Im not asking for a Disney ending, i have no issues with a darker ending.

What i want is an ending that makes sense, an ending that actually looks like some thought was put into it.

Sorry but the end is sloppy and full of plot holes, i pick my team for the final assualt yet all my crew are on earth before the final assault. I pick a team to run for the portal yet they magicaly return to the normandy. The fight is at earth, why is Normandy traveling through a mass relay? why is Normandy out running the explosion when relay travel is near instaneous? why did i bother curing the genophage? why did i bother getting the best outcome for the geth/quarian war? why am i told that the synthetic life always turns on organic life and that the solution is for synthetic life to wipe out organic life? Hell that holographic child guardian could have skipped the entire explanation and summed it up by saying "All this has happened before and all this will happen again"  Sound familiar? In fact it wouldnt have surprised me if in the last act Bailey discovered he was a Reaper along with four other established characters from the franchise...

Its a crying shame that this game probably is the single most impressive game ever made by Bioware right up until the point that platform on the citadel starts moving

Bioware used to be better than this

Modifié par eveynameiwantisfekintaken, 10 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[laughing sherpa girl]

CptStarbucks02 wrote...


I have been lurking here for some time and I agree with much
of what has been said. I was also disappointed with the endings for many of the
reasons people have described and would be thrilled to see DLC which adds other
options, or at the very least expands the established endings so we can explore
the implications of what it is we are doing.

 

I understand the emotions that a lot of people are feeling
right now.  I believe that, in some ways,
Bioware should be proud of this intense reaction from the players. I don’t usually
spend much time on game forums but I have never seen such an emotional reaction
by the community regarding the plot of a game. It’d be one thing if everyone
was shouting the game down at every turn, saying how bad it was, how it failed
to live up to expectations. But overwhelmingly I feel that it is the intense
love of the game and the series as a whole is what is fueling this outrage. It
is clear that this is more than just a game for many, and this is due entirely to
the hard work that Bioware has put into the series up until now. To ignore that
does them a serious disservice. They created these characters, they showed us
this world. For this alone, they have my respect and gratitude. I wouldn’t be
so upset right now if you hadn’t done so much right.

 

I don’t feel that threatening Bioware with boycotts, account
cancellations is the proper way to go about this. I see both the logic and the
merit in these decisions, and I won’t argue with anyone who responds in this
way. My disappointment doesn’t come from any feeling of malice or betrayal. I
don’t feel as though I have been wronged. I wish for a “better” ending only
because I love the game so and it would kill me to have to tell people “Mass
Effect is my favorite series of all time… except the last ten minutes.” I don’t
want to have that asterisk there. I don’t want to have to make up my own ending
in my head. It isn’t about Shepard living or dying. It isn’t reuniting with the
LI or not. It is about choice, closure. I believe that the endings that they
have now are valid but, like many people have mentioned before, they are not “MY”
endings.  All 3 endings make me feel
powerless, hamstrung, forced into a decision I do not completely understand and
with shattering implications to the galaxy at large. Like many have said before
there is no closure, no chance to say goodbye to the universe I have come to
love. It is very jarring and leaves me feeling empty.

 

My greatest fear is that all these discussions we are having
are boiled down into simplistic bullet points that fail to capture what I think
that we are all feeling. The person clamoring for “the happy blue children
ending” is not so different from the one clamoring for “the meaningful
sacrifice ending.” It isn’t about Hollywood endings
or cliché or philosophy. What people want is closure, a feeling that the
choices they made have lead them to this moment. No small feat.

 

I would like Bioware to show me a different path, show me
the fourth option. I don’t want it to be an ending that I would create because
I’m a sappy love-dovey family man that would go for the LI reunion in a
heartbeat. I may have paid money, I may be a customer but I do not want to
usurp your role as creator. I don’t need to love the ending, I need to respect
it.

 

precisely. Incredible game, incredible journey, it and we deserve a better ending.

[Tainan7509]

Schirach wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

I somehow felt like the ending makes me not willing to replay again as much as ME2 and ME1.
The time and effort are not really worth spending... maybe 2 replay for me is enough.

What's the point of replaying any of the games if your choices won't change the outcome? :/

ah good point. i was halt way through my second playthrough after reaper took down the earth and then i stop playing.. becase i still have the bad ending in my mind right now..

[Golferguy758]

SmokePants wrote...

All this thread proves is that Bioware did their job well. They made you care so much, you completely lost perspective.

Did you really think Sheperd was going to come out of this and go have blue babies (gross)? If they do that, the next Mass Effect game might as well be called, "Mass Effect: Who cares; where's Sheperd?" Just like KOTOR 2 may as well have been called, "Who cares; where's Revan?".

In TOR, we finally saw what Revan was up to and it SUUUUUUUUCKED! It was like someone ripped my skin off and was parading around in it, only it was skin I didn't recognize. But I digress.

Sheperd's story is done. If there's another Mass Effect game set in a later period, they won't have to address him, because you'll know. You'll be free to enjoy a new Sheperd and a new crew and a new ship and have a new story with new themes. Trust me, we're all better off this way.

The ending itself was artful and perfectly captured the underlying themes of the series. This whole discussion reminds me of children complaining because they want ice cream for dinner.

Explain why it's artful and explain why Joker is doing loop de loops aroudn Pluto.

[People4Peace]

SmokePants wrote...

All this thread proves is that Bioware did their job well. They made you care so much, you completely lost perspective.

Did you really think Sheperd was going to come out of this and go have blue babies (gross)? If they do that, the next Mass Effect game might as well be called, "Mass Effect: Who cares; where's Sheperd?" Just like KOTOR 2 may as well have been called, "Who cares; where's Revan?".

In TOR, we finally saw what Revan was up to and it SUUUUUUUUCKED! It was like someone ripped my skin off and was parading around in it, only it was skin I didn't recognize. But I digress.

Sheperd's story is done. If there's another Mass Effect game set in a later period, they won't have to address him, because you'll know. You'll be free to enjoy a new Sheperd and a new crew and a new ship and have a new story with new themes. Trust me, we're all better off this way.

The ending itself was artful and perfectly captured the underlying themes of the series. This whole discussion reminds me of children complaining because they want ice cream for dinner.

Whoa...you've completely missed the point and obviously you haven't read any of the posts in the thread because you would understand the frustration and confusion. I am not going to repeat myself again but maybe someone else will. *sighs*

<_<

[MordiMoro]

Take the time to finish the game to all Italian fans of Mass Effect ... so we join with you versus the bioreapers! X-D

[laughing sherpa girl]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Mass Effect was released in Europe today(yesterday) so I'm sure they want to see the reactions from fans over there as well.

Glad to oblige  from the UK

Utterley brilliant game, excellent character development, some emotional moments, intense action. Great fun all round.

Then i completed it.

The last ten minutes-

Poorly written, poorly implemented. A real kick in the teeth after a 4 year investment building my sheps story. A cheap rip of Battlestar Galactica frankly and no where near as well written. Made absolutley no sense in terms of the trilogy's narative to date.

I cannot believe the same team that made the rest of this masterpiece of a game worked on the endings or that this same team actually thought the fan/player base would enjoy these endings. Every action i took, every decision i made in ME1, ME2, and ME3 make no difference to the ending. No matter what choices i made over the last four years my journeys end boils down to three decisions that result in almost three identical cutscenes.

Bioware told me my decisions would matter in ME3- they dont
Bioware told me i would have a sense of closure- i dont

What i do have is a pile of questions all of which could start with 3 letters-

WTF?

I have posted in a few threads my thoughts on the end and have been an advocate of calm, constructive feedback, but the more i think on this, the more threads i see being deleted or ignored, the more my rage levels start to build

4 Years to see how my story ends, and its not personal, its the same as every other player here who bought this game

Im not asking for a Disney ending, i have no issues with a darker ending.

What i want is an ending that makes sense, an ending that actually looks like some thought was put into it.

Sorry but the end is sloppy and full of plot holes, i pick my team for the final assualt yet all my crew are on earth before the final assault. I pick a team to run for the portal yet they magicaly return to the normandy. The fight is at earth, why is Normandy traveling through a mass relay? why is Normandy out running the explosion when relay travel is near instaneous? why did i bother curing the genophage? why did i bother getting the best outcome for the geth/quarian war? why am i told that the synthetic life always turns on organic life and that the solution is for synthetic life to wipe out organic life? Hell that holographic child guardian could have skipped the entire explanation and summed it up by saying "All this has happened before and all this will happen again"  Sound familiar? In fact it wouldnt have surprised me if in the last act Bailey discovered he was a Reaper along with four other established characters from the franchise...

Its a crying shame that this game probably is the single most impressive game ever made by Bioware right up until the point that platform on the citadel starts moving

Bioware used to be better than this

could you please cross post this brilliant and clear  review in the review forum as well..  And thank you..

[Faraborne]

Apparently, the awesome guys from Machinima.com have started to notice the fan's reaction to ME3. Let's hope this starts to get some press.

[soundwave145]

k-baggs wrote...

Really not looking forward to my favorite characters getting Quantum Leaped.

why does that sound cool? sheperd time traveling to the past? in a cowboy outfit.

[Nyila]

SmokePants wrote...

The ending itself was artful and perfectly captured the underlying themes of the series. This whole discussion reminds me of children complaining because they want ice cream for dinner.

True, but when I play a game, I'm not really looking to feel devastated and like I need therapy. Entertainment is what I'm looking for. The reason why I play RPGs in the first place, is because there are choices to be made that may lead to happiness. If I just want a linear story that ends in death everytime, I can just go play another game like Assassin's Creed.

[recentio]

thePredator50 wrote...

I am going to say this - the endings were rushed, there should have been an aftermath.

HOWEVER, most people around here **** not because of the ending quality, but because there was no happy ending. There was never going to be a happy ending, get over it. Sad ending is not the same as bad ending, get your facts straight.

Good ending is not the same as happy ending. Get your facts straight.