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[Aztlanna]

I have to disagree with the OP who said Thane's death was meaningful. I don't mind death if it's relevant. The way Thane dies is kinda stupid. He leaves the hospital and ends up in a fight with an uber-boss... while Shep and team WATCH. I was like, really? They know he's dying. Why're they just chilling & watching him get pwned??

Sitch is this. The Citadel is under attack by Cerberus. Kai Leng, the evil ninja, is doing bad s**t. Kaiden is there & injured. Thane is there, dying. When the station 'splodes. You show up to meet with somebody and HELLO. Thane actually calls you and tells you what's what. You're all, are you ok?? And he's like, no, I'm running, and I can't breathe.

Eventually he ends up crashing your party when you finally track down Kai Leng. Who has been trying to kill the Council. Thane immediately attacks. And they have this battle. Thane does fairly well considering he's dying. But Shep & crew just... watch. At one point, Thane throws KL. And waits for him to pick up his sword... even though THANE has a gun, he doesn't fire it.

While Shep & crew just watch. Eventually Thane gets a sword in the gut and KL runs off. You're like, OH, NO,THANE! If only I hadn't stood there like a tool. Then you're like, I will get you a doctor! And he's like, whatevs, I'll be ok, go get KL.

So you LEAVE HIM BLEEDING. Then eventually he gets to the hospital and dies shortly after you and his son arrive. Good times.

Stupid.

My Shep would NOT watch him fight alone.

And she sure as s**t wouldn't leave him injured and alone. And the super-dumb part is that you don't even catch KL! Good going, Shep, you played that like a pro.

Modifié par Aztlanna, 10 mars 2012 - 07:51 .

[DirtyBird627]

If this was some kind of ploy to sell the real ending as dlc then it's actually pretty clever. Sadly, not only would I buy something like a $30 dlc to fix this, I'd be grateful they made it. That realization is kind of disturbing.

[mauro2222]

Lol, what... so this explains Haestrom's sun.

"The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

[Pyewacket]

Aztlanna wrote...

Eventually he ends up crashing your party when you finally track down Kai Leng. Who has been trying to kill the Council. Thane immediately attacks. And they have this battle. Thane does fairly well considering he's dying. But Shep & crew just... watch. At one point, Thane throws KL. And waits for him to pick up his sword... even though THANE has a gun, he doesn't fire it.

While Shep & crew just watch. Eventually Thane gets a sword in the gut and KL runs off. You're like, OH, NO ,THANE if only I hadn't stood there like a tool. Then you're like, I will get you a doctor! And he's like, whatevs, I'll be ok, go get KL.

So you LEAVE HIM BLEEDING. Then eventually he gets to the hospital and dies shortly after you and his son arrive. Good times.

Stupid.

My Shep would NOT watch him fight alone.

And she sure as s**t wouldn't leave him injured and alone. And the super-dumb part is that you don't even catch KL! Good going, Shep, you played that like a pro.

Oh god yes!  This!  Everything about this!  I remember yelling at the TV,  "Uh, hello? We're just leaving our dying friend critically injured?  Nothing?  No one cares?  Fine, whatever, Thane's a dead man, er, deader man. 

[Eirileth]

DirtyBird627 wrote...

If this was some kind of ploy to sell the real ending as dlc then it's actually pretty clever. Sadly, not only would I buy something like a $30 dlc to fix this, I'd be grateful they made it. That realization is kind of disturbing.

It's not so much that it's disturbing... It's part of being a human being. We need closure. I am not blaming Bioware. EA is to blame. Bioware wouldn't have done this to us on their own. EA found a new way to exploit people and get more money from us... Therefore, they give us a fake ending and will later make us spend a couple hundred dollars just for new DLC to get the true ending. It is clever... And it is cruel.

[dos1990]

tbh i wouldn't have minded the dark energy story. casue u can let the reapers keep doing what they do best or save humanity and try to do it urself. sure there is more of a chance everyone will die anyway but atleast it would've had a better ending with closure!

[sergeym1990]

DirtyBird627 wrote...

If this was some kind of ploy to sell the real ending as dlc then it's actually pretty clever. Sadly, not only would I buy something like a $30 dlc to fix this, I'd be grateful they made it. That realization is kind of disturbing.

I would do so too. ME is one of the my favourite game series and i played mostly for the charecters and plot. I would be actually OK if the gameplayed sucked but the plot rocked.

[Eirileth]

Pyewacket wrote...

Aztlanna wrote...

Eventually he ends up crashing your party when you finally track down Kai Leng. Who has been trying to kill the Council. Thane immediately attacks. And they have this battle. Thane does fairly well considering he's dying. But Shep & crew just... watch. At one point, Thane throws KL. And waits for him to pick up his sword... even though THANE has a gun, he doesn't fire it.

While Shep & crew just watch. Eventually Thane gets a sword in the gut and KL runs off. You're like, OH, NO ,THANE if only I hadn't stood there like a tool. Then you're like, I will get you a doctor! And he's like, whatevs, I'll be ok, go get KL.

So you LEAVE HIM BLEEDING. Then eventually he gets to the hospital and dies shortly after you and his son arrive. Good times.

Stupid.

My Shep would NOT watch him fight alone.

And she sure as s**t wouldn't leave him injured and alone. And the super-dumb part is that you don't even catch KL! Good going, Shep, you played that like a pro.

Oh god yes!  This!  Everything about this!  I remember yelling at the TV,  "Uh, hello? We're just leaving our dying friend critically injured?  Nothing?  No one cares?  Fine, whatever, Thane's a dead man, er, deader man. 

Yeah... I felt the same way... I just... I'm losing hope as I read this stuff. But I haven't given up entirely. Bioware will give us new DLC to fix it and all will be ok again. They have to.

[Meteor_VII]

Over the course of this trilogy I have been given the best the gaming has to offer for choices actually making a difference in the outcome or the scenarios. And as I played through Mass Effect 3 I was rewarded with some of the best feelings a game has made me feel. Whenever a old squad mate or NPC came in for a mission or side quest it was a delight to where I couldn't take the smile off my face. Even when in some of these scenarios a person would die I would heart broken and sometimes cried.

Over the period of time in which I played this game I tried to not see a single spoiler about its story to how to do anything. But a few podcasts that I listen to on the regular hinted at stuff being bad with the ending. Which I discounted and thought "they must not like how it ended for them but my ending will be prefect. Shepard and Liara on with kids that's all I need. Bioware will give me that." So I continue on seeing more familiar faces, having more touching and emotional moments with the characters that we have been able to interact with over these three games.

And then the last stretch came. All the somber conversations. All the bleak talk. I was prepared, I knew it was going to be grim but I had faith that if I kept trucking that I would get my happiness and be grinning ear to ear with a ending. But then came the final run. (Before that there was the maddening encounter with the 3 banshees and never ending horde that I died 5 times to.) Then the three-way conversation to settle the score.

Shocked I was at the state they put Shepard in I tried as I could to talk the Illusive Man down and save Anderson but my Paragon was too low (barely dunno how i could of gotten it any higher). So I sat watching my friend Anderson die, seeing Shepard dying. And I'm thinking "what the hell, but I did everything right, I had everyone settle their stuff and all 7026 in military strength (only 54% in readiness)" So I sit and let it play out and the kid shows back up and I swear it was like the game stopped being the game I had experienced but until that moment. "Where is this coming from? Are you serious?" running through my head.

And yet the three options lay before me, none of which I wanted to choose, all with a big FU to my happiness that I thought a few hours ago that I was going to achieve. So I choose to destroy the reapers because hey it was why I was there in the first place. At this point I figure everyone is dead except for Shepard, who's last gasp of life is barely keeping him standing. And then I get an ending that is over quickly and with less dialogue than any of these games and I am floored by the outcome of. Here I sit in a shocked state when I should be pumping a fist with a grin or something.

So now here at 2:30 AM for me I write this for whatever reason I dunno. It just felt dumb, is the word that keeps coming up in my head. How does this game make me feel so much through the entire game from the beginning to right before the beam to the citadel and then just drop off a cliff or some other metaphor for just stopping the feelings I had for this game.

I will probably play through it again to see TIM shoot himself in the face but even to that point I feel nothing now for that moment. The ending to this series has seen to rob me of what seems to be a no-brainer for endings. So I doubt bioware will see this post but if they do I hope that you will do something for your game, I want to feel something for your ending other than shock.

[XiNAVRO]

When I picked up the collector's edition of ME3 on midnight release, and with 30 minutes of gameplay after installation because I had to sleep for work, I wasn't exactly expecting a typical "Hollywood" ending or "Happy" ending. The franchise had been interesting enough so far, and it had been a great gaming experience.

Then I saw the endings.

Not sure if the new writers were thinking of 2001: A Space Odyssey type of ending (didn't that narrative right after the ending strongly resemble Dave Bowman as the Starchild?) but it was more like a kick in the nuts.

What is this I don't even.


Dragon Age II, then destroying Revan's character in SWTOR, and now this?
That's it. Going back to Dark Souls now.

[comrade gando]

What a waste of time, after all this effort I get nothing? I die, everyone else dies (pretty much), the relays explode? Where's my freakin' reward? Where's the big hero's welcome after victory? Where's the "satisfying conclusion" the developers referred to? Where's my Tali? Where's anything?!

I just beat Mass Effect 3 and all I got was this lousy shirt. Well I didn't even get that, might as well though.

[kramerfan86]

The idea that the reapers were actually trying to do something good isnt a terrible twist, but it definitely needed an actual logical reason. Not some stupid "oh well organics and synthetics will always fight" crap so we have to kill everyone to prevent everyone from getting killed. Under that scenario why wouldnt they just chill in darkspace and ONLY attack once a massive organic-synthetic war broke out? If it does you purge, if it doesnt you dont. Auto purging because its destined to maybe happen someday makes no sense at all.

[Aztlanna]

Pyewacket wrote...

Oh god yes!  This!  Everything about this!  I remember yelling at the TV,  "Uh, hello? We're just leaving our dying friend critically injured?  Nothing?  No one cares?  Fine, whatever, Thane's a dead man, er, deader man. 

Right? Yes, he's terminally ill. But my Shep isn't the kind of person who leaves a wounded man behind. Ever. She would've wanted to be there for him until the end. And I was kind of mad they took that choice away from me. First, by not letting Shep fight... and then by sending her away via cut scene.

I'd have been okay if the team waded in via cut scene and Thane was still injured. And then you should have the choice about whether to stay or go. That's kinda paragaon / renegade class right there, isn't it? I mean, you weren't gonna catch KL at that juncture anyway. So why can't you opt to stay and comfort your friend? 

[DirtyBird627]

Eirileth wrote...

It's not so much that it's disturbing... It's part of being a human being. We need closure. I am not blaming Bioware. EA is to blame. Bioware wouldn't have done this to us on their own. EA found a new way to exploit people and get more money from us... Therefore, they give us a fake ending and will later make us spend a couple hundred dollars just for new DLC to get the true ending. It is clever... And it is cruel.

You're right of course, though I was trying to avoid evoking the name of the evil overlords, the less I think about the fact that Bioware is under their thumb, the better for my sanity. Still, it would be a ploy that only EA or Activision would have the audacity to try, and probably get away with unfortunately.

[SonicAF]

MissNet wrote...

So, this is my second morning after beating the me3. I wake up wondering if this all was a awful nightmare ) *sigh*
Are there any news from bioware? Any hope? Something?
Part of me still hope, that it's some kind of joke. Bad one.

www.youtube.com/watch
Don't give up! They have to react. They satisfied 3% of fanbase - that's not how things have to be done.

Modifié par SonicAF, 10 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[Katsuya Kaiba]

Well...another game on the shelf to not be finished. I keep hearing how horrid the ending is and pretty much, this seals it. I rather never finish it than to be told "Rocks fall, everybody loses." In the words of Orsino, from Dragon Age 2, which BTW had some closure "Why give us the illusion of Hope?"

[TheGoddess0fWar]

We did not get any of the closure we were promised. Thanks a lot.

[mauro2222]

dos1990 wrote...

tbh i wouldn't have minded the dark energy story. casue u can let the reapers keep doing what they do best or save humanity and try to do it urself. sure there is more of a chance everyone will die anyway but atleast it would've had a better ending with closure!

The problem of the ending itself is about the change of writers.

The story changed a lot, the "The trilogy was planned and finished when launched" it's a big lie.

They changed everything 3 times.

Mass Effect 1 -> "Imposing order on the chaos of organic evolution" Sovereign - Technological singularity theory.
Mass Effect 2 -> "Human Reaper" - Dark Energy theory.
Mass Effect 3 -> Again Technological Singularity Theory, but really rushed and poorly executed.

[XiNAVRO]

That Dark Matter behind-story actually sounds pretty convincing. Not to mention that it would've been a lot more fitting, but it would also save my poor teeth from my grinding them from all the HNNNNGGG moments I'm having right now.

Come to think of it. didn't they use that exact plot in Gurren Lagaan as well?

Ah whatever. Kai Leng was going all Ghost in the Shell + Metal Gear Solid on this one. Some other odd Japanese influence won't even be surprising at this point.

[sergeym1990]

I'm personally not losing hope yet. Its been just days since release, so its too early to expect BioWare response. And any fix for the ending cant be quick. I'd rather wait few more months to get really deserving ending.

[Eirileth]

DirtyBird627 wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

It's not so much that it's disturbing... It's part of being a human being. We need closure. I am not blaming Bioware. EA is to blame. Bioware wouldn't have done this to us on their own. EA found a new way to exploit people and get more money from us... Therefore, they give us a fake ending and will later make us spend a couple hundred dollars just for new DLC to get the true ending. It is clever... And it is cruel.

You're right of course, though I was trying to avoid evoking the name of the evil overlords, the less I think about the fact that Bioware is under their thumb, the better for my sanity. Still, it would be a ploy that only EA or Activision would have the audacity to try, and probably get away with unfortunately.

EA is proving to be the metaphorical "Death's Scythe" for game companies... Bioware isn't the first they have done this to, and Bioware isn't the last. I am keeping up hope that Bioware will somehow come to their senses. EA... You have ruined one of the few good things I had in life. I miss ME1 and where it was SUPPOSED to go. EA Games is probably the most cruel game company in business at the moment... And Mass Effect 3 is the perfect example of their sadism.

[Katsuya Kaiba]

Hey Bioware...you know you could make coin by making a DLC 'extended' ending right? Look at Fallout 3's "Broken Steel."

[DirtyBird627]

MissNet wrote...

So, this is my second morning after beating the me3. I wake up wondering if this all was a awful nightmare ) *sigh*
Are there any news from bioware? Any hope? Something?
Part of me still hope, that it's some kind of joke. Bad one.

Had the exact same thoughts when I finished the game, I'm sorry to say that the endings are all too real. Took me a couple days to get over it too. I'm only just now moving on. There's no news yet, but the game has just come out in Europe, so maybe we'll hear something next week. Here's hoping.

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