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LordHelfort wrote...

ziyon conqueror wrote...

For some time, I've imagined that ME3 would end with the Normandy flying towards the sunset just like in the prologue (and in Serenity, the movie, which I very much like). Instead, after the ending, I felt my heart pounding, lost my appetite and lay motionless on my bed, trying to rationalize this horrible and un-traditional ending away. For so long I've expected the series to be like Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't know whether I'll play again until Bioware puts up an apology and gives a true ending to remember and cherish.


Let them know.

On a side note, can anyone provide us with what the general reaction Europeans are having on their section of the BSN forums.


Exactly the same as here, well in the French BSN Forum at least.

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CDHarrisUSF wrote...

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I havent ever seen ANYONE or ANYTHING ever go in to a finished product and retcon an ending, it dosent happen in movies, books and it will never happen in games.


Have you played Fallout 3? The "Broken Steel" DLC modified the game's original ending.


Also remember that VALVe Software changed Portal 1's ending to segue into Portal 2.

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It's just surprising, how crappy 3-minutes and make-no-sense ending kills over 100 hours of joy. Seriously, BW?! This was the best game in the last decade (my all-time favorite Half-Life was beaten) until the second, when the Catalist started to talk. After that: WTH is going on?

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major german game magazine "gamestar" article about thhe ending and disappointed fans

http://www.gamestar....51,2565679.html

they even linked the ending poll :D

Basicly they quote that the fans are disappointed that all the choices you made along me1-3 didnt matter at all in the end and its lorewise and logically not good written and there are too many questions unanswered.

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Also. Keep voting: http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

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Biotic Sage wrote...

ViperAlvein wrote...

Hey biotic, although many of us will accept your beliefs, you're entitled to your opinion. That said, most of us here will disagree with you, and would probably be inclined to suggest you're really bringing this to the wrong thread :P


This is a huge thread the Bioware will be paying attention to, so if you don't mind I will voice my opinion in it.  If people agree or disagree is out of my hands.  I'm not trying to persuade, merely argue my point.  If people want to listen they can, or not.  But I know Bioware will be reading through this and they have a right to hear from the satisfied fans as well as the angry ones.

Look the ending cant stay they can just make some new more happy omg >,<

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LordHelfort wrote...

ziyon conqueror wrote...

For some time, I've imagined that ME3 would end with the Normandy flying towards the sunset just like in the prologue (and in Serenity, the movie, which I very much like). Instead, after the ending, I felt my heart pounding, lost my appetite and lay motionless on my bed, trying to rationalize this horrible and un-traditional ending away. For so long I've expected the series to be like Star Wars or Star Trek. I don't know whether I'll play again until Bioware puts up an apology and gives a true ending to remember and cherish.


Let them know.

On a side note, can anyone provide us with what the general reaction Europeans are having on their section of the BSN forums.


don't know much about the german bsn, but heard from quite a lot of german/european boards and blogs. it's kind of the same of what's been going on here. disbelief, anger, disappointment, full blown rage- you name it.
liked the game itself, but no one liked the three color choices of doom. 

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ynh wrote...

As I said previously, they don't need massive changes to the end. They just need a paragon/renegade interrupt as God-VI is talking. It's such a simple change that it won't break the current endings and ****** the people who liked the endings off.


Yeah this. I just sat there thinking "Why am I forced to play along with this stupid thing?" They pretty much say he's the best leader in the galaxy, and as we have all seen he obviously is the most persuasive one as well (what with all the shops sales going up due to his glowing endoresments). Why can't he just tell the AI kid that it's wrong and point to the new Geth and EDI as examples of cooperation.

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Any news from Bioware yet?

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I can not believe that anyone who has written excellent 39.45 hours has also written 15 minutes of nothing ... ME3 has not been finished, for ending was made ​​a patchwork of some scenes ready.

This is the only explanation that I do.

Modifié par MordiMoro, 10 mars 2012 - 02:10 .


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ViperAlvein wrote...

Also. Keep voting: http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/


WOW... getting close to 7000 people now all voting that the endings suck!  We would think those numbers would start to influence BioWare somehow.

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Wraith 02 wrote...

ynh wrote...

I don't have a link but I've seen a few guys across the pond posting and they are saying the same thing. They're humans just like us so I expect they will also be very disappointed :(


English fleet is reporting in, That ending was ****


English fleet come in. Please join up with the rest of the European fleet and rendezvous with the American and Pacific fleet. There will be a full scale assault and all fire directed towards BioWare HQ.

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It's understandable how these endings would provide provocation to the fans merely on the grounds
that something bad happens to Shepard or your squadmates. It is sad that there
is no happy ending, but let us not let this colour our arguments. I provide
mine here at the very top to show that this is not the most pressing problem
with the game. The endings to Mass Effect 3 have bigger issues, and those are
issues that I don't see anyone ignoring. 

My personal ending.
My Shepard died in synthesis, simply because I
felt that this was the only way to not sacrifice the geth, a race the game
itself establishes as mistreated and misjudged. Now the thing that made this
substantially worse was the fact that I brought my LI Liara with me on the
mission, and she is magically rescued by the Normandy. In the synthesis-ending
EDI and Joker survive and are ready to start a new life, good for them. But in
a terrible twist of fate Liara is also the only other person (it would seem)
that survived with them. I.e. my love interest is stuck on a planet far away
from her loved one, and she's stuck... With a couple. 

They turn a game about choice into a game about
inevitable determinism. 
At every step of the way really this is here; sure
in the first game you had to choose between Ashley and Kaidan, and it certainly
is understandable how Thane would die here. It is however out of character for
the series to have so many deaths that you really can't do anything about. Mass
Effect 2 was darker, and naturally the stakes were high. We understand that the
stakes are higher when it comes to fighting the reapers, but how much were the
odds stacked against you and your team on the collector base? You could still
make it if you chose wisely. 

The endings prove that Mass Effect has lost touch
of its original design; your choices don't matter, and they might as well not
have been made. Why not make this Final Fantasy, a linear story with no input
from you. 
This is what Mass Effect 3 becomes when the
endings don't take into account anything you've done before.

The plot holes are massive and do ruin the series,
they do ruin the universe.
The endings solve absolutely nothing, and leave
only more questions to be asked. The discussion with the catalyst kid being the
most evident. 

Let's start with these:
Who is the catalyst kid? is he a VI/AI/A ghost?

Why does he take the same form as the kid Shepard
saw burn? 

Is this an attempt by Bioware to be artsy? Leave
things up to imagination?

This is Mass Effect, this is sci fi. Regardless of
what made-up scientific jargon is used to explain something, the most important
aspect of the genre and this series is to explain. The Prothean VI is an
adequate example from the first game; it reveals what the Citadel is, it
reveals what the Conduit is and so on.

I had a feeling they were just going to throw it
all away, and they did. I was sitting there thinking... "You know what
Bioware? If you just make me destroy the reapers with no explanation I will be
mad." The codex is a great example to the lengths the writers of the show
have gone to explain how things like propulsion works, what the mass effect is,
how anything works.

The kid speaks as a creator of the reapers; who are
the creators of the reapers?

Why did they create them? (And no, claiming that
they did it to prevent technological singularity is not an adequate
explanation) 

Why has synthetic vs. organic life become the
central issue of the story?

Synthetic vs. organic life is not something that
the universe has established as the central problem, in fact most of the
problems in the galaxy revolve around organic species fighting other organic
species. The whole ending about synthesis is in my mind utterly pointless. Oh
yes we are all semi-synthetic and semi-organic now how marvelous! I do not see
how that solves anything. It does not prevent supremacy, it does not prevent
domination.

A race of semi-synthetics would rise up and
conquer the rest, why should we believe anything else?

Were the creators really this naive? Think about
this; the reason the creators created the reapers was to prevent synthetic
races from taking over and making all organic life extinct. Why would
synthetics be the ones to do this? I imagine that if the Krogan were left
unchecked during the rebellions they would devour the entire galaxy given
enough time. 

If the kid is somehow supposed to be a
manifestation of Shepard's guilt, how does that make any sense?

I don't understand why the story would suddenly
get "symbolic". To our knowledge everything that has happened before
has been what actually happened, but considering this thought, why shouldn't we
analyze anything else in the same way? Maybe Shepard didn't really invade a
collector base, maybe that is just a dream he had to symbolize how he has
problems overcoming his own insecurities, his demons if you will. I.e. his own
mind refuses him to feel good about himself and his actions, and  blowing up the collector
base is just symbolizing him finding his true self to be happy with who he is.
If there is supposed to be some deeper philosophical meaning behind the
catalyst kid I just do not see how it fits in with the rest of the series. Has
there ever been anything as hallucinogenic before? 

Continuing the ride on the plot hole-train;
squadmates disappear and we are made to believe they are dead.
Suddenly they are shown to have made it to the
Normandy, by magical teleportation no doubt. 
Why is the Normandy trying to outrun the
explosion? I would presume that if you chose synthesis it rewrites all life in
the universe, i.e. you can't escape it no matter where you go. 
These things have all been said before, but here
is the point: they don't explain anything. 
They don't conclude anything. What happened to
them all? We don't know. Neither do the writers. Conveniently.

The Normandy is brought down by this blast on some
lush planet, fine.
But if the Normandy, one of the most advanced
ships ever to have been built was brought down by that pulse, what happened to
the other fleets? Are we really to expect that this blast "targeted"
the Normandy?

Considering the fleets being around earth that
must mean most of them would crash land on earth, or if they too headed the
magic and unheard warning, they would have crashed down on random worlds around
the solar system. The people would stave in addition to other problems because
all the galactic races have become too dependant on the mass relays. 

Would Earth be rebuilt, and in any case, how? 
I doubt that the resources needed to repair all
the destruction the reaper's have wrought would be found on earth, or even in
the solar system. Quarian fleets and pretty much all other fleets will never
reach their home planets anyway, but they can't settle in the local cluster can
they? Not enough resources.

They have no pilgrimage either; FTL travel is
possible, but it consumes fuel at an incredible rate. Nevermind that it's on
the other side of the Milky Way; how would you have enough fuel to go from one
fuel depot to the next? 



There is no closure.
The endings do not provide any closure, and they
do not justify the countless hours people have put into these games. I have put
in hundreds of hours over several playthroughs in both the first and the second
game.
This doesn't matter. None of your choices matter.
There was no point to playing the game several times; hell, there isn't any
point in playing the games just to experience renegade vs. paragon. 

I won't support Bioware with any more of my money. 
The damage is already done unfortunately, the game
has sold well already, and it's getting great reviews left and right. I don't
believe Bioware is going to change the ending or add something more in DLC. I
do not believe they will see fault in what they have done, and I do not believe
there will be changes for the fans. Why would they? The game is making lots of
money and IGN like it, so why should they care?
It's a damn shame Mass Effect had to end up like
this, let's just hope they won't insult us further by making more games in the
universe. I just don't believe in Bioware anymore.

Modifié par JamalXIX, 10 mars 2012 - 02:16 .


#16064
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 Just finished the game after pulling an all nighter,

who the hell do I complain to for that crap of an ending?

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As far as I know there isn't much complaint in the German Forums, but people are aware that the ending is supposed to be.....unsatisfying. Maybe the reason why Europeans don't complain in the forums about the ending is because they didn't beat the game yet due to the delayed release here.


Well, I did and I'm extremely disappointed. It's kinda like the Matrix series. Matrix 1 was just awesome, part 2 was weird and meh and part 3 was just like "wtf have these guys been smoking/what drugs were they on when they made up that ridiculous story/ending???" Same with Mass Effect. The most promising, best series in video game history ruined within its last 15 minutes of "ending". No Effect 3, the game where all your choices from 3 games didn't matter at all in the end. Extremely disappointed!

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darkFearz wrote...

Wraith 02 wrote...

ynh wrote...

I don't have a link but I've seen a few guys across the pond posting and they are saying the same thing. They're humans just like us so I expect they will also be very disappointed :(


English fleet is reporting in, That ending was ****


English fleet come in. Please join up with the rest of the European fleet and rendezvous with the American and Pacific fleet. There will be a full scale assault and all fire directed towards BioWare HQ.


Whats the point, we have already seen our decisions make no difference to the outcome xD

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And so, a thousand voices were rendered silent. They then let out a cry that carried to the winds and drowned the world in sorrow.

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slimshedim wrote...

As far as I know there isn't much complaint in the German Forums, but people are aware that the ending is supposed to be.....unsatisfying. Maybe the reason why Europeans don't complain in the forums about the ending is because they didn't beat the game yet due to the delayed release here.


Well, I did and I'm extremely disappointed. It's kinda like the Matrix series. Matrix 1 was just awesome, part 2 was weird and meh and part 3 was just like "wtf have these guys been smoking/what drugs were they on when they made up that ridiculous story/ending???" Same with Mass Effect. The most promising, best series in video game history ruined within its last 15 minutes of "ending". No Effect 3, the game where all your choices from 3 games didn't matter at all in the end. Extremely disappointed!


Most Europeans will start finishing the game over the weekend, will be a hell of alot more people on Monday

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Never give up hope, friends, for even in the face of corporate scumminess and hope destroying dissatisfaction we can prevail! Get the carriers into position and launch...

The helibears.

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Hey guys is it weird that I don't want to finish games I like now? I'm close to finishing a different game, but I just don't want to finish it now... Maybe I'm afraid I won't like the ending...


Oh and I feel like it would've been a better ending if Shepard got off the citadel with his crew on the normandy and had Javik make the final decision. The only problem is the control ending, but he probably wouldn't pick that.. maybe he would... who knows.

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slimshedim wrote...

As far as I know there isn't much complaint in the German Forums, but people are aware that the ending is supposed to be.....unsatisfying. Maybe the reason why Europeans don't complain in the forums about the ending is because they didn't beat the game yet due to the delayed release here.


Well, I did and I'm extremely disappointed. It's kinda like the Matrix series. Matrix 1 was just awesome, part 2 was weird and meh and part 3 was just like "wtf have these guys been smoking/what drugs were they on when they made up that ridiculous story/ending???" Same with Mass Effect. The most promising, best series in video game history ruined within its last 15 minutes of "ending". No Effect 3, the game where all your choices from 3 games didn't matter at all in the end. Extremely disappointed!


Perhaps the late release date could explain the lack of complaint. However, I got the digital version and couldn't play until March 8 (probably because I'm living in Japan). I pulled all nighters playing this game and then I get to the very end and get a choice of blue, red, or green ending with very little variation. Much disapointment. All I really want is some kind of closure, to know what happened to the rest of the galaxy.

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I'm a huge ME fan and while I don't usually post here, I needed an outlet to express my thoughts on the way it all ended. I finished the game late last night and while my effective military strength was not the highest it could have been, I could not come to grips with my endings (I replayed the conclusion twice). I got the blue and green endings both consisting of Shepard getting vaporized in the name of saving everyone, one way or another. While I'm fine with endings in which the protagonist dies…I can't shake the feeling that Bioware didn't fulfill the promise of tying up all the storylines up to the finale. Sure the Krogan kick the genophage, the Quarians resolve their conflict with the Geth and the Reapers go away but those weren't the only major story arcs. I feel like I need closure. I liken this ending to Metal Gear Solid 4 despite similar themes of sacrifice and death…I could walk away knowing that I finished what I had started. I can't say the same with the Mass Effect trilogy.

In my opinion…the ending needed to include Harbinger. I needed to confront and settle the score with the Reaper who has been chasing me and taunting me in the last game. A battle with Harbinger (heck, even Harbinger being controlled by the Illusive Man) would have been a fitting final sequence.

I didn't care much for the kid from the start and personally didn't see him as a strong enough character to carry the game's actual conclusion. I was so indifferent to the kid the entire game and yet Bioware forces me to deal with him in the end. I could care less about the kid and never saw him as more than a prop to try and give meaning to the fight…a device that failed miserably. Don't force me to care about this kid. I already know why I need to fight and it has nothing to do with some kid. The Illusive Man and Harbinger are two characters that the series has pushed as characters to hate and oppose. I, as Shepard needed to be the one to end them both. Forget the big metaphysical space magic and the kid. I think I would have even accepted Shepard and Anderson watching the destruction of the Reapers as they lay there dying.

I thought there was way too much talk and I got lost listening to all the options the kid was presenting. During my first playthrough…I had completely lost track of which option was what and was just wandering trying to remember what the consequences would be. Maybe the final choice would have been best presented using the conversation wheel. Also, the options were too convoluted and sounded too similar to be compelling. Too bad there wasn't a fourth option just to do stand there and do nothing…or try and kill the kid. I didn't like any of the presented options and felt I had to choose for the sake of just getting to the credits…which should NEVER happen in a video game.

I would have also appreciated seeing my war assets in action a bit more. All the time spent developing characters and relationships with Miranda, Jack, Samara, Wrex throughout the series and all we get are couple of lines in conversation before the end? Would be nice to see a final battle sequence when all my former squad mates are fighting alongside me to ensure I get to the beam. Who wouldn't want to see Wrex and Grunt, surrounded by Reaper forces, give each other a look and proceed to knock some heads around in a good old-fashioned Krogan brawl? That's proper fan service.

I also need an explanation on why the Reapers look the way they do. Why the squid-like appearance? And if they were building a human Reaper in ME2...why does it look human and all the other Reapers look like squid? I think I also deserve an explanation on where Dark Space is, how they are made from organic material and how the first Reaper came to be.

If the 'guardian' was so concerned about synthetics killing organics...why target Humans, Batarians, Turians, etc...when the only race to have succeeded in creating synthetic sentient beings in this cycle are the Quarians. They hadn't been wiped out yet...no Collectors going after them to build a Quarian Reaper. None of the other species have managed to do anything close to that. Seems to be a plot hole to me.

All in all...Bioware...give me an ending I deserve, as a die-hard ME fan...someone who's put hundreds of hours playing and many more learning about the world you have created.

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I have replied in a gazzilion threads i and im gonna say here what i say to all.

I just wanted some conclusion and what i got is 20 more questions.I think its fitting that Shepard should die after all he has been through(although an ending where he lives would be nice) but seriously.You could have even gave us 10 pictures with titles in the end explaining what happened to all the races.SERIOUSLY.

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DiTHmaphacks wrote...

I have replied in a gazzilion threads i and im gonna say here what i say to all.

I just wanted some conclusion and what i got is 20 more questions.I think its fitting that Shepard should die after all he has been through(although an ending where he lives would be nice) but seriously.You could have even gave us 10 pictures with titles in the end explaining what happened to all the races.SERIOUSLY.


Mass Effect 4 will explain all that. ;D