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Inspection of BSN forces in progress. 
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 400
Unisted States of America - 500
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50

German - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50

Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
Poland - 100
Czech - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
Australia - 150
Slovak fleet is going to join us - 100
Swedish fleet - 100Brazilia - 200

Russian fleets - 300
- Russian Destroyers - 50

Scottish fleet reporting in - 100
Argentinian Fleet - 150
Singapore Strike Team - 100
Hoosier Cruiser - 20
Oregon Engineering Section reporting in - 20
Glaswegian Battalions - 20
Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (estimate needed)
Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
Tamcia' Frigate - 10
SSV VyR - 25

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#16452
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jinx_60 wrote...

I have to say, with all the talk about an alternate ending DLC, that I honestly don't believe that will EVER happen.
Of course I'm hoping it will, but realistically I doubt we'll see anything of the sort. They've made their money, and all the major DLC is already in the works, if not done already.


I already paid 129$ for ME3. I'm not spending more money on an ending that should have been there in the first place.

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TamiBx wrote...

...so all I thought was "who cares about DLC? I want my game"  :(


Yeah, and now it's all about the opposite, huh? :)

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TamiBx wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

slipliker wrote...

The endings suck, but I gotta give Bioware credit.
The music playing while the video goes on is excellent. I mean all the flashbacks (especially with Liara, and there's a little mood change in the music) are so... Well, sad. Sad, but... I don't know, how to express it.
...Nevermind. Wanted to say that the composition fits the flashbacks excellently.
Just go and watch the first 30 seconds of the ending with the flashbacks.
But still. I want the endings to be full of hope and light and life.


Flashbacks sucked if you didn't romance liara, ashley or Kaiden.


I read somewhere that that is a bug, actually. It was supposed to show whoever your LI was, but for some reason it only worked for ME1 LIs. 

The Spacer edition guy said he ripped the files and there isn't any files about any other LIs soooo No they just didn't make them...
Lol ME3 was supposed to have alot of things...



Then this is plain stupid. Another mistake they made...

And hey! It DID offer a lot of choices. You get to pick how you want your Shepard to die: Blue, red or green light. Your pick. :P


.... But doctor I don't like any of those flavors.

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I actually said this on a different thread (one about the whole ending being a hallucination), but I wanted to bring it up here, as well. Sorry for the wall of text:

First of all I just want to say I enjoyed every minute of Mass Effect 3--every minute...until the end. I need to write this down to express my...frustrations.

Most
of you seem to have gotten "lost" by the game around the time Shepard
was hit by the Reaper's beam. For me, I hadn't gotten "lost" yet. No,
that didn't happen until the moment I met the Star-Child (as everyone
seems to be referrring to him). From there, I had to backtrack in my
mind to a point that still made sense. So, for me, the hallucination
almost begins at the moment Shepard begins to pass out from the blood
loss. I was sitting there beside Anderson, who I had "saved" from TIM,
and who slowly and quietly died after expressing his pride in Shepard.
After he died, Shepard also begins to pass out, and then Hackett comes
on the line. For me, that was just my Shepard's mind needing to continue the fight, disbelieving it could really be over. So something had to go wrong (because it always does), she had to do something. But it was just a dream.

I think
my main problems with the choices at the end is twofold. First off,
I don't actually feel like there needed to be another choice. I had
already made my choices. The end of the game--in my mind--should have
been based upon the forces I had gathered. Whether or not I had gathered
enough forces to hold out until the Crucible could be used. If I hadn't
gathered enough forces the endings could have been something like: 

Even
though the Reapers are destroyed, Earth was inadequately defended until
then. As a result it is completely destroyed. The forces of the Galaxy
are also incredibly crippled. War breaks out between them over scarce
resources. Though the Reapers are defeated it is an imperfect future
(Shepard may or may not die)
Depending
on what species' Shepard recruited (or the numbers of those they
recruited) there is a new dominate species. Earth may or may not have
been destroyed (Shepard may or may not have died).

Having
an extraordinairy fighting force, they manage to adequately defend
Earth. It remains standing. The different species of the Galaxy are left
intact, and there is peace (again, Shepard may or may not have to die
to get these endings).

[/list]I'm not saying these are exactly
what should have happened. But it makes more sense because it's based
on all the choices I made throughout the game. In Mass Effect 1, if
I had killed Wrex, perhaps it would turn out that the Krogan were not as
effective in Mass Effect 3, and it somehow led to them being
decimated...or something. And
that in turn lowered Earth's chances, which would have ended up
affecting the entire Galaxy. The ending should have been based on my
accumulated choices, not one choice that came out of nowhere. The ending rendered every choice in every game completely moot. The choice at the end HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY CHOICES I HAD MADE THE ENTIRE GAME SERIES
(I used caps, bold, and italics to express how frustrated I am by this
one fact). There didn't need to be another choice. It was pointless.

My other frustration only comes about if I accept that the endings really happened. So, for the moment, I will accept that.

How
does galactic life continue if the Mass Relays are destroyed, after it
has already been established that the blast from a  destroyed relay
would obliterate a system? If the game had offered further explanation
for how these systems survive the blast (considering the relays blow up
in all three endings...don't they?), I would have accepted it, but they
don't. So I don't accept it.

Also,
the epilogue further frustrates me. How far into the "future" is that
supposed to be? Because when the relays are blown up, it strands
hundreds (if not, thousands) of Turians, Asari, Krogan, Quarians, and
Salarians (and the bodys of the Geth, if you destroy the Reapers) on
Earth. They are there now, forever. For the Asari, this is no problems.
They could breed and thrive on Earth, considering they only need another
being to reproduce. It may be problematic for the others, though I
assume there would be some female Turians around, since they are in the
army too. So you have all these "minds" on Earth. The ancient wisdom of
the Asari (who live for thousands of years), and the intelligence of the
Salarians. Wouldn't they begin work on Relays right away? The Protheans
managed to make a small one. I can't believe all these species'
combined couldn't make another one like the Protheans, and begin to
reconnect the Galaxy. And just because the relays are destroyed doesn't
mean there is no more FTL travel, or suddenly lose the ability to travel
around the system. Yet the epilogue makes it seem like these people
have forgotten what exists out in the Galaxy and are back in a time that
doesn't have space travel. Even we (as we exist today, in this time period) can travel in space. It's inefficient, and not nearly advanced enough, but we can. 

I...don't understand.

Oh,
before I forget (and excuse the swearing), but...how the **** did
Kaidan get back on the Normandy? I took both him and Garrus with me all
the way to the beam. So the game expects me to believe that after
Shepard goes down Garrus and Kaidan just give up and retreat?......What? Nothing
in the personalities of either Garrus or Kaidan (especially since I
romanced Kaidan) makes it even remotely plausible that they would give
up the fight. Even if Shepard had died getting hit by that Reaper beam
it would have meant that there was nowhere to run to anyway. It would
mean failure, and the destruction of the Galaxy. Neither Garrus or
Kaidan would have run. They would have stood there and fought until they
died.

And that's not even asking how they got back to the Normandy (out of their armor, because Kaidan wasn't wearing it in the scene) and
out of the system before the Relays exploded. They couldn't have known
that would happen. They would have been waiting, above Earth (or on it,
in the case of the squad) for whatever would happen. If anything, the
Normandy should be stranded on a planet in the system. Which means they
could be rescued. Maybe not at first. But somebody could come for them.


Supposedly
there is a "secret" ending if you beat Mass Effect 3 twice. I defintely
want to see what that is. I loved the game and the series, up until the
end. I just refuse to acknowledge it all happened until I get further
explanations for how it all came to pass.

Sorry for the possible
wall of text, but before I end this I just want to say: I blew up the
Reapers (also did the synthesis ending, but that didn't sit right with
me). I felt bad about the Geth, and EDI, but saving the Galaxy was
bigger than them, and it's what the entire series had been moving
toward. Choosing to blow up the Reapers was the only way I felt like I
was staying true to the old version of Mass Effect, before they decided to throw a wrench in everything and go all Matrix-y.

I may come back, if I think of something else, but for now I think I've expressed everything I wanted to say.


EDIT: Someone told me the "secret" ending is actually the epilogue (the Stargazer epilogue thing).

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This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...em-the-trilogy/ ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://www.ign.com/b...em-the-trilogy/

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MissNet wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progres. 
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 400
Unisted States of America - 500- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50- Southern Overwatch - 80- Special Ops - 100- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50
German - 200- German Pioneer Corps - 50
Canada - 400- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50- SSV Guelph - 50- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
Poland - 100
Czech - 100- Czech Science Crew - 50
Australia - 150Slovak fleet is going to join us - 100Swedish fleet - 100Brazilia - 200
Russian fleets - 300- Russian Destroyers - 50
Scottish fleet reporting in - 100Argentinian Fleet - 150Singapore Strike Team - 100Hoosier Cruiser - 20Oregon Engineering Section reporting in - 20Glaswegian Battalions - 20Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (estimate needed)Lone Turkish Frigate - 10Tamcia' Frigate - 10SSV VyR - 25

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at 50% you didn't play multiplayer.:P

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Esker02 wrote...

Just finished the game last night, and I was sure I had received the "bad" ending. Feeling really depressed, out of curiosity, and perhaps against my better judgment, I looked into how to get the good ending and what it might be.

Only to find out that I already got it, if it can even be called that. Wow. This one seriously hurts. Hurts bad. Mass Effect was a series, was a universe, was a band of characters that deserved so much more, and I, the player who has followed everything ME for, what, over five years now, am unable to provide the conclusion that, not only I want, but that the universe and characters deserved. Instead I'm left confused by the writing (in the worst way) and deeply, deeply hurt.

I really don't know what to say. Mass Effect a few days ago for me was a universe with limitless possibility, with a rich lore and culture all its own. Equally important, it had characters that I loved, and stories I loved revisiting. The question "Mass Effect or Star Wars" used to give me pause. And then this. Why would you build a series, a multi-year saga and epic, around an emotional investment in comrades, love interests, and in the galactic community at large, only to have no possible ending in which any one of those three, let alone all of them, as I'd have preferred, are saved? 

I can understand making sacrifices to beat the Reapers. I had done that with Mordin, Thane, Ashley... each hurt. I was prepared to make another decision like that again, or watch an event unfold like that again. But this wasn't sacrifice. This was defeat. "You sacrificed too much."

I would gladly pay just to get a proper ending to the series. It deserves nothing less. Some people might be miserly and staunchly declare they wouldn't buy it, or it's bad business, or what have you. I don't care. This isn't just some random title, this is the culmination of so much investment, in time, in emotion, in debate and in enjoyment, for so many of us fans. How could I ever play this game again, or the first two games again? How could I ever build a relationship that felt even the slightest bit lasting with any companion knowing how everything is going to go? The whole strength of the series is undermined. All those hollow promises about life after the Reapers to everybody, throughout the series... the thought of emptily going through those motions is enough to make me cringe.

Mass Effect meant... means a lot to us, the fans. I only wish there was some evidence it had meant a lot to the writers as well.


Well said.

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Esker02 wrote...

Just finished the game last night, and I was sure I had received the "bad" ending. Feeling really depressed, out of curiosity, and perhaps against my better judgment, I looked into how to get the good ending and what it might be.

Only to find out that I already got it, if it can even be called that. Wow. This one seriously hurts. Hurts bad. Mass Effect was a series, was a universe, was a band of characters that deserved so much more, and I, the player who has followed everything ME for, what, over five years now, am unable to provide the conclusion that, not only I want, but that the universe and characters deserved. Instead I'm left confused by the writing (in the worst way) and deeply, deeply hurt.

I really don't know what to say. Mass Effect a few days ago for me was a universe with limitless possibility, with a rich lore and culture all its own. Equally important, it had characters that I loved, and stories I loved revisiting. The question "Mass Effect or Star Wars" used to give me pause. And then this. Why would you build a series, a multi-year saga and epic, around an emotional investment in comrades, love interests, and in the galactic community at large, only to have no possible ending in which any one of those three, let alone all of them, as I'd have preferred, are saved? 

I can understand making sacrifices to beat the Reapers. I had done that with Mordin, Thane, Ashley... each hurt. I was prepared to make another decision like that again, or watch an event unfold like that again. But this wasn't sacrifice. This was defeat. "You sacrificed too much."

I would gladly pay just to get a proper ending to the series. It deserves nothing less. Some people might be miserly and staunchly declare they wouldn't buy it, or it's bad business, or what have you. I don't care. This isn't just some random title, this is the culmination of so much investment, in time, in emotion, in debate and in enjoyment, for so many of us fans. How could I ever play this game again, or the first two games again? How could I ever build a relationship that felt even the slightest bit lasting with any companion knowing how everything is going to go? The whole strength of the series is undermined. All those hollow promises about life after the Reapers to everybody, throughout the series... the thought of emptily going through those motions is enough to make me cringe.

Mass Effect meant... means a lot to us, the fans. I only wish there was some evidence it had meant a lot to the writers as well.


^ This

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Darkwingduck wrote...

The ending reminds me a bit of the end of Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Do you know what the difference is? I didn't give a flying f*** what happened to Adam Jensen...none what so freaking ever. Do you know who I do care about? Shepard.


ACK^1000!

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tausra wrote...

Some symptoms I've seen:
Difficulty falling or staying asleep
Irritability or outbursts of anger
Restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
Markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
Feeling of detachment or estrangement from others


I always feel guilty playing armchair psychologist, since I only have a bachelor's degree and am going back to school for computer science, but, yeah, this really seems to have hurt people on a psychological level. I'm hurt and I can't even imagine what it must be like for people who invested more in the series than I did.

Best advice I can give is to talk it out with people in the same situation, or at least people who can sympathize with having a passion ruined, and just try to avoid getting into the arguments with people who get off on your misery.

Heh, for what it's worth, if the general commiserating threads aren't enough, I'm available for PM. People need help to get through this, myself included.

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Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...m-the-trilogy/



good read.

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right on

Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...m-the-trilogy/



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Anijunkie wrote...

There is no secret ending. it has been revealed as a fallacy.


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Ah yes, "secret ending"...

Modifié par lucidfox, 10 mars 2012 - 07:08 .


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Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...m-the-trilogy/


I'm glad I have something I can agree with that I can share with my friends without having to direct them here to this den of misery :P

Thank you.

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slipliker wrote...

Yeah, but there were not parts where it sounded heavy (like a reaper is ****ing everythig) and it's cosidered a different track: Clint Mansell and Sam Hulick - An End Once and For All.


Funny how even this track ("An End Once And For All") also cuts in a "what the...?" way.
Heh... requiem for a Mass Effect trilogy I guess.

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tausra wrote...

Some symptoms I've seen:
Difficulty falling or staying asleep
Irritability or outbursts of anger
Restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
Markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
Feeling of detachment or estrangement from others


I've been having trouble focusing on my work... I mean a LOT of trouble. Does that count?

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lucidfox wrote...

Anijunkie wrote...

There is no secret ending. it has been revealed as a fallacy.


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Ah yes, "secret ending"...


I lol'd.

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Ah yes, "good endings". Endings of the game allegedly determined by player's choices. We have dismissed that claim.

The ones who wrote those endings are fools. We should eat them.

- Bioware, why are the endings so stupid?
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Esker02 wrote...

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It gave you pause? Lucky you. I was a Star Wars fan since I was 3 years old. I collected every SW thing I could find. And yet, even after playing just the very first Mass Effect, I knew I found something special. The Mass Effect story and galaxy was so rich, so thoroughly explained, so detailed, and so appealing. Shepard and his relationships added such a personal dimension to the whole thing. Then ME2 came out, and all my feelings were amplified. Sure, there were complaints here and there about losing RPG elements or the story being too squad-focused, but I think the vast majority of people loved it. It gave even more emotion to an already emotional story. It added a layer of darkness that made everything seem so authentic. Does anybody else remember walking into the Afterlife the first time? It was surreal. More than ever, this was a real galaxy, a galaxy worth fighting for.
Nearing the end of ME3, I made up my mind. Star Wars was etertainment, but it was child's play compared to this. Even the few shots they showed of the final space battle blew the battle of Coruscant out of the water. I never felt this emotionally attached to any game, scratch that, any sci-fi story of any kind. I was just thinking about how I would tell my friends that this was the greatest game ever made, a story they needed to see through.
And then the last 15 minutes hit.
You know what? Star Wars may be juvenile compared to ME. Luke may be a stereotypical and shallow character compared to Shepard. Garrus may be infinitely more BA than Han Solo. Lucas may have given us childish unfitting prequels. Even RotJ may have been tainted by these army-destroying care-bears. But at least Lucas knew how to end a series. The hero WINS (even if he doesn't survive), and you have a future to look forward to. You have closure. 

Whereas now, what we have is

"Congratulations! You slightly changed a galactic cycle! Undoubtedly billions more will die as galactic civilization is set back tens of thousands of years, in addition to the trillions who already sacrificed themselves, but we'll leave that to your imagination! No, your Shepard will never get anything resembling a real reward for all his hard work, nor will he ever get to spend any more time with his friends or love interest. But hey, at least we vaguely establish that in an untold future your legend becomes a vague forgotten myth in a society were space-faring technology is apparently still a fantasy! Isn't that what you always wanted?"

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GBGriffin wrote...

tausra wrote...

Some symptoms I've seen:
Difficulty falling or staying asleep
Irritability or outbursts of anger
Restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
Markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
Feeling of detachment or estrangement from others


I always feel guilty playing armchair psychologist, since I only have a bachelor's degree and am going back to school for computer science, but, yeah, this really seems to have hurt people on a psychological level. I'm hurt and I can't even imagine what it must be like for people who invested more in the series than I did.

Best advice I can give is to talk it out with people in the same situation, or at least people who can sympathize with having a passion ruined, and just try to avoid getting into the arguments with people who get off on your misery.

Heh, for what it's worth, if the general commiserating threads aren't enough, I'm available for PM. People need help to get through this, myself included.

I've got a BSW and PTSD is way out of what I've worked with before, it was just an interesting correlation I found. It's possible, especially considering the emotional investment some made, but this is in no way a diagnosis of the disorder.

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 I'm not that mad about Shepard dying, I accepted that that might happen.
I'm upset that no matter what happens, the universe goes into the dark ages again, the crew left for some reason and got stranded, and that theres no real conslusion.
The writing was abysmal at best, especially when compared to the rest of the trilogy. 
Nothing I did in any of the games mattered. All choice was taken away except for these three generic endings. My choices never impacted them.
I feel cheated out of 100+ hours, only to be left with that. 

I wanted to see about Javik and Liara writing a book. Shepard and my romance together, or my romance mourning his death. How about a memorial for Shepard if he dies? I demand an ending that actually tells me something, not that: A) You control reapers B) You kill all synthetics or C) You'll all part robot now!

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Have we heard anything from Bioware yet...?

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Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...m-the-trilogy/


Yea, he sums up how i feel about it as well. hopefully some developer will take the time to read it and understand why it matters so much to people.

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Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...em-the-trilogy/


Gentlemen, does that mean that our efforts are not completely in vain? :D