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[Nyaore]

ratzerman wrote...

f1ndmenow wrote...

Man this might become the largest form yet in a matter of hours... Bioware is going to have eyes on it

Woo is already watching it. He was deleting spam pics earlier.

Hi Woo! I hope you have as much fun in the coming weeks as I will.

I'll get the popcorn if you get the soda?

[Tietj]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

Tietj wrote...
Yes, that's all very well, but there are plenty of stories with happy endings that are considered great works of literature.  Conversely, a depressing ending doesn't automatically equal "art," any more than shooting a film in black and white does.  In a game as ostensibly choice-based and open-ended as Mass Effect, a happy ending, or even a bittersweet ending where the squadmates you've worked with for three games aren't completely screwed, would have been perfectly acceptable.

You are absolutely correct. I wasn't implying that Mass Effect was a high art watermark of video game storytelling, nor would I say their decision to have ONLY bittersweet endings is ideal, I'm just making an observation on the dichotomy of expectations between film goers/novel readers and video game players. A movie might not be better with a grim ending, but I've rarely heard any film goers say that they shouldn't be subjected to a grim ending in that medium. That's what we are getting here on this forum currently.

I do see what you're saying.  Perhaps it has something to do with a movie, or a novel, being written in third person, while games are in second person?  Particularly in games like Mass Effect, where you create your character down to what they look like and their personality, the player feels as though they have become the character.  A movie is merely watching someone else, a novel even more so.  If something bad happens to the main character(s), the viewer/reader will commiserate, weep, and move on.  In a game, the player may feel personally affected by the outcome, and not the same way that we are "affected" by other media. 

Anyway, it's not always true.  I, for one, loved the sad or bittersweet endings in other games, such as Ico, FFX, or (especially) Shadow of the Colossus.  For Mass Effect to go all "artsy" on us now seems... dishonest. 

[casedawgz]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite comeback in the Citadel

And I did my arithmetic wrong, it was really more like $210.

[Allworkandlowpay]

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

[txgoldrush]

Capeo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

adneate wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
and you may post even more stupid opinions based on lack of context

I belive I shall, good luck trying to convert people to your opinion though! I'm sure you'll get a convert one of these days, keep reaching for the dream.

And my opinion is better. Why? Because I do not base mine without context.

You HAVE NO CONTEXT, therefore your opinion is uneducated at best, completely idiotic at worst, just like most of the posters here.

Dude, seriously shut up with the context crap. The whole plot is out there. Seeing it is no different than reading it. There's a simple fact: your choices don't matter. All the endings are slight variations of each other. 

LOL........so seeing the game in action is no different from reading a first draft script or a leak post? Wow...lol

[Mathias]

Butthead11 wrote...

I think people are overacting just a tad.

No their complaints and disappointment is pretty legit. This is bad.

[Undead Potatoes]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I would pay for Happy Ending DLC. No joke.

Same here

[Tietj]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

That's a poor comparison.  Harry survives the series, stays with his friends, the world is damaged but will rebuild.  It's exactly what people in this thread are asking for. 

[yoshibb]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

I recall Harry Potter having a satisfying ending. How many trilogies end up like 1st - good ending, 2nd - good ending, 3rd - tragic ending

Also how many book trilogies allow you to create your own character and live vicariously through them the whole series?

[casedawgz]

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

It's entirely different though. The reader does not BECOME Harry and guide him through the various trials and tribulations associated with attending Hogwarts. The player has had a very personal role in shaping Commander Shepard for five years and there needs to be at least one ending where you feel like it was all worth it, that your role in shaping his life was for the better. I don't feel cheated when Professor Lupin dies or when Master Chief gets lost in space because their previous adventures were not presented to me in such a way that made me think I had some form of agency over the outcomes. 

[Knight_Quack]

Tietj wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

That's a poor comparison.  Harry survives the series, stays with his friends, the world is damaged but will rebuild.  It's exactly what people in this thread are asking for. 

Poor comparison Indeed, if this turns out to be true.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

casedawgz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite comeback in the Citadel

And I did my arithmetic wrong, it was really more like $210.

I didn't buy 1 payed $20 for 2 but im getting CE for 3...but the investment in time is still a kicker though

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 29 février 2012 - 05:21 .

[Natsunomiko21]

hehe Funny thing is Bioware saying that mass effect 3 will have like 1000 ramifications. It might be, something minor like shiala appearing in your game...
but in the end, you and your LI get screwed Ha! And to think that I thought horizon was bad writing
Illusion of choices.. becoming old tactics to bioware.

[ussbones6]

I know I'm late to this party, but are perusing the non-spoilers forum and seeing the spillover about the endings, and then finally biting the bullet and seeing this thread, I'm pissed, just like all of you.

I had ME1 & ME2 for my Xbox 360, but after seeing TOR and ME3, went out and built a new PC just so I could play those games (As well as buying ME1 & 2 for the PC) I can definitely say I'm extremely pissed at this. I'm not one for cookie cutter endings, and my characters are very rarely 100% paragon (I believe that killing Balak and keeping him from continuing his slave operations should be the paragon one, even if the scientists die) but to have an ending as horrible as that, and not be able to deviate much from it is extremely silly.

I hate to repeat what prolly so many others have said, but I will definitively never purchase another Bioware game if this is true (Including cancelling me TOR account and returning to WoW). I'll still buy ME3, if only to get closure, but that 'll be it once those credits role after this silly ending, if its true,

*EDIT* As a side, how the hell could all my choices across two games come to the same ending across multiple characters? This doesn't make sense to me. They love giving players choices, they built a whole new MMO mechanic around it, yet they see it as a good idea to screw over players of a franchise that pretty much helped them get a better buyout from EA?

Modifié par ussbones6, 29 février 2012 - 05:25 .

[txgoldrush]

yoshibb wrote...

Allworkandlowpay wrote...

casedawgz wrote...

Most books don't take five years and a $150 dollars to read. I need to feel like I've succeeded at the end of this half-decade long endeavor. 

Fans of the Harry Potter series had to wait almost 12 years and pay $245 to read.

In fact, almost any book trilogy will end up still being at least $105 and at least three years to read.

Poor point.

I recall Harry Potter having a satisfying ending. How many trilogies end up like 1st - good ending, 2nd - good ending, 3rd - tragic ending

Also how many book trilogies allow you to create your own character and live vicariously through them the whole series?

Cormac McCarthy's border trilogy

1st - bittersweet ending, 2nd - sad ending, 3rd - sad ending, more sad than the 2nd.

[casedawgz]

ussbones6 wrote...

I know I'm late to this party, but are perusing the non-spoilers forum and seeing the spillover about the endings, and then finally biting the bullet and seeing this thread, I'm pissed, just like all of you.

I had ME1 & ME2 for my Xbox 360, but after seeing TOR and ME3, went out and built a new PC just so I could play those games (As well as buying ME1 & 2 for the PC) I can definitely say I'm extremely pissed at this. I'm not one for cookie cutter endings, and my characters are very rarely 100% paragon (I believe that killing Balak and keeping him from continuing his slave operations should be the paragon one, even if the scientists die) but to have an ending as horrible as that, and not be able to deviate much from it is extremely silly.

I hate to repeat what prolly so many others have said, but I will definitively never purchase another Bioware game if this is true (Including cancelling me TOR account and returning to WoW). I'll still buy ME3, if only to get closure, but that 'll be it once those credits role after this silly ending, if its true,

Aww, don't cancel TOR, that's a good game and shouldn't suffer as a result of Mac and Casey's hatred for us. 

[f1ndmenow]

Fan reactions are going to end up like chevy chase in national lampoons vacation ending where the long trip ends with wally world park getting closed.

[syllogi]

So for those asking everyone to wait for context...what if the spoilers are correct in their description of the endings? What if the Normandy getting zapped away is confusing and random seeming, to most players who have experienced it? Will they be wrong for disliking that ending?

I didn't mind Dragon Age Origins choices of martyrdom or Dark Ritual. We knew that Grey Wardens were all about sacrifice, we knew about Morrigan, and the stories about her mother...the choice didn't come out of nowhere, contextually.

I wouldn't mind making huge sacrifices just to survive to the end of the Mass Effect trilogy. But *if* the Normandy scenario is as described by those who have played...yeah, I predict that the complaining seen here will look mild in comparison.

[Pygmalin]

 So we wait what 3 years to finish out our LI's, and yet Shepard doesn't end up with them in the end. Oh I am a bit speechless on this. I am actually saddened and I haven't even played. 

[Elegana]

Natsunomiko21 wrote...

hehe Funny thing is Bioware saying that mass effect 3 will have like 1000 ramifications. It might be, something minor like shiala appearing in your game...
but in the end, you and your LI get screwed Ha! And to think that I thought horizon was bad writing
Illusion of choices.. becoming old tactics to bioware.

Your LI may not be screwed depending who your LI is.

Tali: Leave her on Rannoch. She'll be on her home planet instead of the other planet.

VS: After the Udina coup, tell them they are not welcome aboard the Normandy and tell them to take Hackett's job (which may end the romance). But, you can headcanon from the Destroy ending where Shepard lives. Shepard and the VS reunite and headcanon from there. 

ME2 Romances: If they'll still alive, they should be fighting on Earth. Pick the Destroy ending and if Shepard is alive, headcanon from there.

[Undead Potatoes]

So pretty much I play through these games multiple times always being the nice guy (paragon) and keep trying for the best possible ending just for Shep to probably die anyway and my crew to be killed off? Well ain't that great? God Bioware, I love you too death but in the midst of adding MP and polishing the game, I guess you forgot the best part of your franchise, putting the players in control.

[tasca1180]

What I find to believe is that Bioware, fully knowing how much people care about their LIs, would really say, "Hey, you survived, good for you. Oh BTW, your LI? Is somewhere across the Galaxy, making little (blue) babies with your friends. Didn't see that one coming, did you?"

I'm holding onto the wee hope that the Space Edition guide just didn't have enough Assets, given how fast he played through the whole game and admittedly missed quite a bit.

[WvStolzing]

The woman – child thing smacks of plagiarism right out of the awful ending of Matrix 3.

[ussbones6]

casedawgz wrote...

ussbones6 wrote...

I know I'm late to this party, but are perusing the non-spoilers forum and seeing the spillover about the endings, and then finally biting the bullet and seeing this thread, I'm pissed, just like all of you.

I had ME1 & ME2 for my Xbox 360, but after seeing TOR and ME3, went out and built a new PC just so I could play those games (As well as buying ME1 & 2 for the PC) I can definitely say I'm extremely pissed at this. I'm not one for cookie cutter endings, and my characters are very rarely 100% paragon (I believe that killing Balak and keeping him from continuing his slave operations should be the paragon one, even if the scientists die) but to have an ending as horrible as that, and not be able to deviate much from it is extremely silly.

I hate to repeat what prolly so many others have said, but I will definitively never purchase another Bioware game if this is true (Including cancelling me TOR account and returning to WoW). I'll still buy ME3, if only to get closure, but that 'll be it once those credits role after this silly ending, if its true,

Aww, don't cancel TOR, that's a good game and shouldn't suffer as a result of Mac and Casey's hatred for us. 

Beleive me, I love that game (I loved KotOR, even the second one that Obsidien made) but to continue to give them money after botching something like the ending of a trilogy doesn't feel right to me. And I don't even mind if this is ONE of the endings, as long as in one of my playthroughs I can get the ending to live happily ever after.. I mean, hell I have a ME2 playthrough where almost everyone dies in the suicide mission, haha.

[xtorma]

66 pages in 1 day ....this matters to customers.