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Mhgasa

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GreenSoda wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Have we heard anything from Bioware yet...?

Nothing concrete...and I doubt we will before Monday at the earliest. Probably later, still.


In all fairness, they have a lose/lose situation.
If they say anything it will etiher hurt sales (by aknowledgeing the problem) or ****** people off even more(dismissing the community concerns).
At the moment they are probably using the standard method for damage control. Stay silent and hope it dies out and if it doesnt then they will make an official statement. So anything official is still way off, especially considering that they have already planned their dlc, so an epilogue dlc or smt similar is not something they can have out anytime soon.

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slipliker wrote...




P.S. I don't think Shepard fits in a role of a "hero sacrificing
himself". More like a "f**k everyone, save the galaxy and live
happily ever since."






I disagree. Given (one of) my Shepard's choices, and the whole
resurrection thing in ME2, which seems to also take out a bit more of a
miraculous touch in the Cerberus base, I very much viewed him as a Christ
figure and fully expected him to have to sacrifice himself for the
galaxy. 



Except that isn't an option. 



Controlling the Reapers? Oh great I'm denying free will to an entire
species. 

Kill all AI? Oh great I'm committing mass genocide against species that
are FIGHTING FOR ME. (EDI, Geth) 

Synthesis? Once again I'm denying people their own free will and forcing
them down my own path. 



There's no ending even really close to the savior/messiah that I've spent 130
hours building that Shepard up to. Now obviously there are other Shepard's that
I think should survive, I had one planned that was going to be all
noble and then fall at the final moment and take whatever option offered life
with the LI, but alas that isn't possible now. 



[rant] 

I mean I had really been hoping for an option to sacrifice myself,
and the Ashes DLC only further had me anticipating the opportunity to do so
(with the option to substitute someone else ala DAO and Allister) and while
technically I get the opportunity I had always assumed that, like
DAO, it would be for something. The taste in my mouth lacks any sweetness,
there's no redeeming factor in the sacrifice to save the galaxy, because in
doing so the galaxy Shep is dying for dies with him.

 

Given every other motif in this game I really don't understand how this
ending comes up. 



Relatively Realistic Sci Fi? Godchild AI that had no hints prior to your
ascension to his location.

Everything you do has consequences? Nope, I don't see how my
decisions really matter in the end. 

The subtle hints in ME2 about what was going on? Replaced with Godchild
AI. 

Unity? Theoretically yes, but the final scenes of the series pretty much only
involve Humans, and a human AI. Although I’m willing to accept budget/time
constraints as a reason for this.

Teamwork and building those relationships? Nope they all leave you.

Harbinger? Was he taken out in the opening battle of the war or
something? 



The only connection I see is the bringing order to chaos spiel Sovereign gave,
but even that would still make sense with the Dark Energy plotline (assuming my
understanding of Dark Energy is correct) so that could simply be coincidence.
Hell the God AI's logic doesn't even make sense given the Reapers show no
personality. All aspects of the organic part of the Reapers are wiped out. He
wanted to preserve these species? Well he did the worst possible job,
because he thoroughly wipes out the species AND eliminates anything unique
about the species. His cycle is worse than what he's trying to prevent, because
at least with the Synthetics killing their creators they'd probably maintain
some kind of imprint from their creators and are affected by them while the
Reapers simply aren't. 



I'm tempted to believe someone else wrote this ending. That the writers had
something in mind, and then were overridden, because I really just don't
see how this part connects to the previous 129 hours, and 45 minutes of my play
through. 



[/rant] 

Modifié par Precursor2552, 10 mars 2012 - 07:31 .


#16503
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Shepard was indoctrinated and dreamed up the ending. Everything ended well, but that happened off-screen.

#16504
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Just thought I would drop in here to support the thread. I'm still completely beaten down by the ending.


Tartilus wrote...

I think it's important for us to consider that, at some point, a community manager is going to have to explain our thoughts to any number of developers, and accordingly it's important that a succinct list of our concerns with the ending is available. Those concerns are numerous, and here are the ones I'm familiar with so far:

1. The endings are extremely sad. This is a much-maligned criticism by individuals who associate depth with the perceived darkness of the endings, and that may or may not be a fair point. Regardless, it stands as obvious that many people were hoping for an ending which proffered some hope beyond that available in even the 'happiest' of endings.

2. The endings contain plotholes. The escape of the Normandy and the teleportation of her crew (including the formerly deceased) are the most obvious, but the lack of sufficient explanation regarding the Catalyst's efforts and origin also makes many of his/its motivations bizarre and unsatisfying.

3. The endings fail to fit in with the broadest themes of the series. Slightly different from 1, this criticism notes that the story of Commander Shepherd has always been a story of achieving the impossible with the help of a close crew and rigorous preparation. The endings as offered do not incorporate the crew, do not change significantly in response to your preparation, and while perhaps technically constitute doing the impossible, fail to meet even that low bar which is a solution that does not have an inevitable cross-racial holocaust and galactic dark age as its result.

4. The endings lack variety. This criticism can be directed at both the artistic and story aspects of the ending – the results of the ending decision not only vary little (at least, and this is important, on a scale which is important to our experiences in the game), but the resulting cinematics have only minor differences, and the various sub-endings result in changes so small as to be entirely unnoticeable. Consider that some way could've been contrived to make the Synthetic option differ from the Control option in a fashion greater than a change in the color of the 'light' and a different Texture for Joker in the games final seconds.

5. The mechanics of the ending are not appropriate. Without repeating the various criticisms as regards the ending closely mirroring Deus Ex's, the culmination of the story with a game-show-esque approach to saving the world very much fails to be satisfactory, especially when Mass Effect has otherwise been about the integration of choice into the experience

6. The endings lack dependency on the player's choices prior to the last five minutes. This is important, because the entire rest of Mass Effect 3 was about reacting to previous decisions; consider that, provided one is able to fill the 'war asset' bar in a satisfactory manner via some other means, the decisions in the third game serve no purpose to explain, shape, or enhance the endings. This seems contrary to the spirit of the other 95% of the experience.

7. The endings do not make sense given the character of Shepherd. As has been state elsewhere, we are playing some heroic badass who has otherwise talked down to, shrugged off, and inevitably defeated everyone who threatened, cajoled, or otherwise tried to force him to do something he didn't wish to do. In the ending to ME3, this character offers no rigorous questioning, no protests, no counter-arguments, no discussion of any kind save a resigned sort of death-march which could not be more contrary to his character. This is distressing.

8. The endings have implications, perhaps unintended, which seem to ruin the ME Universe. Admittedly, many of these implications could be avoided, but the lack of contrary evidence fosters a suspicion that these matters were either otherwise not considered, or supposed to be generally acceptable. Indeed, they might even be, but only with proper elaboration, of which there is none.

9. The endings fail to provide closure. There is, as a diagram that is floating around illustrates, no falling action. No conclusion. I do not know what happened to my squadmates – I do not, for reasons that may be bug related, even know which of them is alive. I do not know what happens to the universe, or to the people I've saved. I do not know how I'm remembered, or if any of the terrible things mentioned above actually happens. There almost could not possibly have been less information provided regarding the ending of the game, and that is incredibly distressing when the intention was to wrap up a series that had otherwise displayed all the signs of excellency and had a fond place in our hearts.


Figured this should be seen on this page as well, a good summary.

#16505
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More press: http://www.gamefront...ffect-3-ending/ ' class='bbc_url' title='Lien externe' rel='nofollow external'> http://www.gamefront...ffect-3-ending/

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Im one of those person that don't give a **** about anything, but for some reason i expected something out of mass effect 3 ... i felt sad for some reason. Shouldn't decision you make be what make your ending better or worst? that's what i thought until you ruined it all. I spend 3 hours of my freaking life looking just for reinforcement in the game stupid galaxy to prevent death,misery, stupidity and this is what i get. There is no sense of accomplishment in that ending, i stood shooting and that ai kid hoping for a miracle to kill it. At least let me suicide my self before making my sheppard be a **** and follow orders from that piece of junk. Just make the ending have another meaning than no matter how hard you try you still human and what is impossible is impossible.  Anyway this is my way of showing my Support to everyone that wants a new ending, just do it, i don't care how.

Modifié par Azzclown, 10 mars 2012 - 07:41 .


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Mhgasa wrote...

In all fairness, they have a lose/lose situation.
If they say anything it will etiher hurt sales (by aknowledgeing the problem) or ****** people off even more(dismissing the community concerns).
At the moment they are probably using the standard method for damage control. Stay silent and hope it dies out and if it doesnt then they will make an official statement. So anything official is still way off, especially considering that they have already planned their dlc, so an epilogue dlc or smt similar is not something they can have out anytime soon.


Yeah, they will probably strat taking this seriously once they see the lolsales of the Omega DLC they have planned.

#16508
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Italian orbital strike trooper reporting in, ready for action.

#16509
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MissNet wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress. 
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 400
United States of America - 500
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50

German - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50

Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
Poland - 100
Czech - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
Australia - 150
Slovak fleet is going to join us - 100
Swedish fleet - 100Brazilia - 200

Russian fleets - 300
- Russian Destroyers - 50

Scottish fleet reporting in - 100
Argentinian Fleet - 150
Singapore Strike Team - 100
Hoosier Cruiser - 20
Oregon Engineering Section reporting in - 20
Glaswegian Battalions - 20
Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (estimate needed)
Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
Tamcia' Frigate - 10
SSV VyR - 25

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4125 WA 



Siberian Special Task Forces are at your service

#16510
JohnCena94

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TamiBx wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Tony208 wrote...

We got a cliffhanger instead of an ending. Nothing definitive at all about any of the endings and they only raise questions.


Well when you put it that way it sounds like the ending for Dragon Age 2.

Yay?


At least at the end of DA2 we "know" what happened afterwards...and DA is supposed to have a sequel, so that ending was more fitting than ME3 ending. 

And here I thought Bioware would not let me down with the ME trilogy...I was so wrong...:crying:

Agreed.  DA2 makes since, the ending feels right, what is sort of left hanging hopefully will be resolved in the future.  In mass effect 3 it feels like they gave you the middle finger. 

On a sort of unrelated side note I am feel this ending would have been better off in DA3.  DA's ending could be an invasion of The Black City (The Citadel) and you could meet up with the Maker(the creepy child), and together figure out how to deal with Flemeth/Darkspawn (The Reapers)

Modifié par JohnCena94, 10 mars 2012 - 07:37 .


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Goodwood wrote...

The Escapist Podcast is discussing these very issues, starting at 15:30 and continuing through 44:20:

Escapist Podcast


I love how mad they are.

#16512
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slipliker wrote...

Faraborne wrote...

This may already have been shared, but this guy is spot on: http://www.ign.com/b...em-the-trilogy/


Gentlemen, does that mean that our efforts are not completely in vain? :D


Yes, yes I think it does. If IGN is on our side, we are succeeding.

#16513
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The finish is clearly a bad patcHwork: constructed to close a game is not finished in time, and will never be finished,
I think Bioware will release the dlc already planned and will focus on how to develop a mmo or otherwise.
Mass Effect is over, I'm sorry, and even the love he had towards this series ... why can not mess it up with 15 minute script obscene.
They could make the universe implode in a Big Bang ... written and directed as the rest of the game I would accept him, and I applauded.

BUT THE LAST 15 MINUTES NO

#16514
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Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."

#16515
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Danilevich wrote...



MissNet wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress. 
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 400
United States of America - 500
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50

German - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50

Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
Poland - 100
Czech - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
Australia - 150
Slovak fleet is going to join us - 100
Swedish fleet - 100Brazilia - 200

Russian fleets - 300
- Russian Destroyers - 50

Scottish fleet reporting in - 100
Argentinian Fleet - 150
Singapore Strike Team - 100
Hoosier Cruiser - 20
Oregon Engineering Section reporting in - 20
Glaswegian Battalions - 20
Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (estimate needed)
Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
Tamcia' Frigate - 10
SSV VyR - 25

-----
4125 WA 



Siberian Special Task Forces are at your service


Don't forget us: The A-Team of Finland.

I pity the fool who messes with B. A. Bäckstum!

(Cookie if you get the reference)

#16516
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Danilevich wrote...



MissNet wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress. 
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 400
United States of America - 500
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50

German - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50

Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
Poland - 100
Czech - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
Australia - 150
Slovak fleet is going to join us - 100
Swedish fleet - 100Brazilia - 200

Russian fleets - 300
- Russian Destroyers - 50

Scottish fleet reporting in - 100
Argentinian Fleet - 150
Singapore Strike Team - 100
Hoosier Cruiser - 20
Oregon Engineering Section reporting in - 20
Glaswegian Battalions - 20
Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (estimate needed)
Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
Tamcia' Frigate - 10
SSV VyR - 25

-----
4125 WA 



Siberian Special Task Forces are at your service


Pacific Northwest Hipster Batallion reporting in!

#16517
LPPrince

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Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


Cause he's not allowed to.

Yet.

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Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


That's... that's good, right? ...right?

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Hopefully.

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Tyranniac wrote...

Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


That's... that's good, right? ...right?


telling you, we can't lose hope. Not yet. I refuse to accept this ending. 

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Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


Which in a world of instant information is one of the worst things that can be said...

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Brazilian Special Ops reporting for duty.

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A good way of not making them listen is to continue the bullying style of complaining, which has become the norm on BSN. I really think that we need to keep things civil and constructive, Taking a dump on the entire game because of the last minutes is not really being constructive. But i guess thats a naive hope, considering that this is the internet :)

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Tyranniac wrote...

Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


That's... that's good, right? ...right?


Good as in Bioware isn't completley blind and knows that there is a problem, still depends on whether they go into denial and claim the ending is good to save their ego and pride rather than their reputation

Modifié par Wraith 02, 10 mars 2012 - 07:44 .


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Tyranniac wrote...

Gintama007 wrote...

Michael Gamble just posted this on Twitter "By the way... I am reading all of your thoughts. Just not ready to comment yet."


That's... that's good, right? ...right?


I woul say its a good thing. It means we might have a response by the end of next week.

Also we are close to 10000 votes
http://social.biowar...606/polls/28989 
Don't forget to vote