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[msmpsn]

I've been thinking about the ending since finishing the game yesterday and I'm not disappointed with it, just hurt.  I feel silly being so caught up in the lives of imaginary people but I've really emotionally engaged in this series and for everything to end on such an ambiguous and grim note really bothers me.  Everything Shepard went through, all the problems solved, allies and friends made and lost, choices made, none of it matters when the galaxy is essentially just as boned as if I had blown through ME1 and 2 with as few surviving allies as possible.

I don't see how they can view this as a satisfying conclusion when there's so many questions left unanswered. What happened to my friends? I thought the destruction of a relay destroyed the system it was in, is everyone dead? The Protheans replicated the relay technology on Ilos, does this mean that the survivors can pick up the pieces and rebuild? What does this synthesis even mean? Why should I even bother saving as many as possible before the endgame if none of it effects what my choice is at the end?  Seeing more quarian and geth ships shoot at reapers in a cutscene is not enough for me.

For a series that draws so much on the strength of the characters, why is there nothing but Joker, EDI and Javik, of all people, at the end?  I know it changes based on what you did, but I want to see Garrus and Tali mourning Shepard, survivors reclaiming their devastated worlds, a tearful Miranda looking up at the stars.  I've spent hundreds of hours laughing with, fighting with, going to hell and back with them and now all I can do is figure that those who made it back onto the Normandy are trapped on Pandora and everyone else was blown up on Earth when the relay exploded.

I replayed ME2 immediately after finishing it the first time because I was so excited to see what the future held for Shepard and his crew, but it's going to take me a while to compose myself enough to replay ME3.  I'll still choke up when seeing Grunt fall into that pit and come staggering out, watching Mordin sing to himself as the building falls down around him, telling Garrus that Shepard will look for him in the afterlife if there turns out to be something after death, or telling Miranda that he'll find her when it's all over. I'll still be excited to see what everyone I've helped can do to help, and I'll still be furious at the stupidity of the Quarians and the deception of the Asari.  My enthusiasm for getting to the end, however, is completely sapped because I now know that none of it really matters in the end and I don't know what "victory" even meant for those that survived.

TL:DR - What a bummer.

Modifié par msmpsn, 11 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Victia]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

Okay after reading what was said about all this on destructoid it really got me thinking. I have been against gamer entitlement which I do feel has been on a real rise and is growing out of control. BUT what I really want to know is what everyone here thinks, I want you to really stop think could this all be gamer entitlement. Just because they said that there would be all these different endings depending on your choices does it give us a right to demand a new ending?

I am not saying that this all gamer entitlement, I have actually never seen something like this among gamers but I still want to know what do you all think? Please don't just jump on right away and say no its not, just take a minute to really think about all this. Do we have the right to demand a new ending when we do not own the ip but were promised all these things that didn't exactly happen?

I am just wanting to get everyone to really think about this and observe all of this as best I can. I am a historian and this feels like it could become an important historic moment in gaming. Not sure how many other people involved in this are historians so I want to make sure I document this as best I can.

We've spent hundreds of hours and dollars supporting and getting invested in this incredibl story, I'd say we're "entitled" to a positive outcome, yes. This isn't a book, this is an RPG. It's supposed to be our story, Bioware just sets up the context. They absolute failed whatever they were trying to do with the ending. They're always so quick to say how much they listen to their fan base, how the fans co-create theese games with them. I think that's enough entitlement.

I dont think this is about gamer entitlement (or not in the way that most people  use the term)! I think its about the fact that everyone is invested, money (often havin to save for months to afford these games) , time in terms of hundreds of hour spend accros several playthrough, and emotionally in a ritch world that we have been able to shape (to an extent with our decisions) and when we where promiced endings to refect the time and emotion we had put in but got a generic one that explains nothing and honestly made me want to throw my xbox controller through the TV and cuss like a mad-man, people get a little restless, and feel like the deserved better treatment by developers who should have put a little more time and effort in to how it was going to end (even though I find it hard to believe they didnt see this coming!

[Kloborgg711]

Astaiir wrote...

Well, I think the Paragon (destroy) ending was ok. Of course, it was sad, depressive, intense, emotional, dramatic. The whole game was, the whole trilogy was. I was hoping and expected it, I mean, I didn't see Shepard surviving. I somehow knew Shepard will make such ultimate sacrifice...

This confuses me. You say the whole trilogy was depressive and sad? Really? What was sad about the first game? We overcame the odds and began the journey. We get our seat on the council and proved that we weren't crazy. We saved galactic civlization almost singlehandedly. 
The second game could have been sad, assuming you lost almost everyone.. but it definitely didn't have to be especially if you played Paragon. You were the first in history to go through the Omega 4 relay, you went into the Collector base, you stopped Harbinger's plan, and everyone got out OK (if you did it right). Again, I'm not seeing what's so depressing here.
Even the final game has incredible amounts of humor and optimism. You give hope to the Krogan, the Quarians, and the Geth, who before had none. You comfort your friends and lovers, and promise to see them on the other side. You inspire the galaxy and lead a vision of hope and a new tomorrow. No matter how I look at it, I can't see these apparently obvious allusions to "you're going to die, everything sucks". No, until the last 10 minutes, my Mass Effect playthrough was a positive story of a hero overcoming the odds and getting his reward of a decent life with his LI. They only choked me into the 3 depressing endings in the final moments. That's why it wasn't just sad or unsatisfying, it was shocking.

[LostHero2k9]

exactly

[karambiatos]

miagnew wrote...

I would pay for a dlc alternate ending, maybe thats bioware's plan of some more $$$....

if they sell it, many people will buy it, but it also will be biowares last game they ever purchase, if they dont release it same thing

in my opinion anyway

[laughing sherpa girl]

Chatboy 91 wrote...

This has probably been posted already, but this is literally, EXACTLY how I felt. Even down to the characters.

I( just love that at the moment, its being prefacxed with an ME3 kinect advertisement..

[primalgoose]

Just think of the outrage people would have gotten if in Harry Potter, Voldemort actually killed him, then proceeded to T-bag his corpse and run away laughing..

[JerkyJohnny14]

684 pages. Bioware, you counting?

[LostHero2k9]

karambiatos wrote...

miagnew wrote...

I would pay for a dlc alternate ending, maybe thats bioware's plan of some more $$$....

if
they sell it, many people will buy it, but it also will be biowares
last game they ever purchase, if they dont release it same thing

in my opinion anyway

If you ask me, the only way how bioware can restore their faith (they already lost much of it through the Dragon Age 2 desaster) is by releasing a FREE DLC with better endings.
But EA Games will never ever allow this or even finance it.

Don't know how companys like Bethesda or CD Project Red can afford it to release free bonus content to say "thank you fans! please buy our next game, too!". But they are doing it!
(Hint: the upcomming Skyrim patch will have additional free bonus content/features as well as the HUGE The Witcher 2 update comming in april which offers 3-5 additional hours of fun for free!)

Modifié par LostHero2k9, 11 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Gamer Genocider]

In my opinion, these weren't the real endings. I think Shepard living ending is showing him wake up after the laser shot from Harbinger because there's no way he fell from the Citadel onto Earth and lived. And upon watching the video carefully, I saw something blue by Shepard's body. Alliance soldier? Maybe future DLC showing Shepard wake up and the endings were hallucinations.

[Fushine]

LostHero2k9 wrote...

karambiatos wrote...

miagnew wrote...

I would pay for a dlc alternate ending, maybe thats bioware's plan of some more $$$....

if
they sell it, many people will buy it, but it also will be biowares
last game they ever purchase, if they dont release it same thing

in my opinion anyway

If you ask me, the only way how bioware can restore their faith (they already lost much of it through the Dragon Age 2 desaster) is by releasing a FREE DLC with better endings.
But EA Games will never ever allow this or even finance it.

Don't know how companys like Bethesda or CD Project Red can afford it to release free bonus content to say "thank you fans! please buy our next game, too!". But they are doing it!
(Hint: the upcomming Skyrim patch will have additional free bonus content/features as well as the HUGE The Witcher 2 update comming in april which offers 3-5 additional hours of fun for free!)

They are atleast free from indoctrination of rEApers that might be something of influence...

[karambiatos]

zoider16 wrote...

I can definitely see your point in that regard that everyone has spent a huge amount of time and money in this series to make it as much as their own as possible. But if I could play the devils advocate here for a moment don't you think the fact that bioware let you make those wide sweeping decisions across those three games then brought it all back so you could see the results throughout three entitles them to decide the ending? Isn't the fact that they invented this entire series and handed it down to you to shape a story in the universe they created give them the right to decide how the trilogy ends?

oh they can end the game how they want, as long as it makes sense

the ending makes is just so out of touch with the lore and the entire game its unbelievable, its like at the end they said screw this, and just glued what ever CG footage they had together.

LostHero2k9 wrote...

If you ask me, the only way how
bioware can restore their faith (they already lost much of it through
the Dragon Age 2 desaster) is by releasing a FREE DLC with better
endings.
But EA Games will never ever allow this or even finance it.

Don't
know how companys like Bethesda or CD Project Red can afford it to
release free bonus content to say "thank you fans! please buy our next
game, too!". But they are doing it!
(Hint: the upcomming Skyrim patch
will have additional free bonus content/features as well as the HUGE
The Witcher 2 update comming in april which offers 3-5 additional hours
of fun for free!)

If you read up on some valve interviews and stuff, youll see how they can afford it and why having long term costumers is a great thing.

Modifié par karambiatos, 11 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[KaiserinKai]

Chatboy 91 wrote...

This has probably been posted already, but this is literally, EXACTLY how I felt. Even down to the characters.

YES. That was spot on. Favorited and commented (I'm KaiserFangirl in the comments).

[Geda173]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...

Chatboy 91 wrote...

This has probably been posted already, but this is literally, EXACTLY how I felt. Even down to the characters.

I( just love that at the moment, its being prefacxed with an ME3 kinect advertisement..

I'm having trouble with this video. It is really funny, but I'm German and I understand what he is saying, so I have German audio and an English subtitle. Of course the two are not matching and its really difficult  And without sound its not even half as funny.  

[DarkRavin07]

o this will grow to be much bigger than 684 pages

[primalgoose]

The hope that a new DLC ending may be released is the only reason I'm holding onto my copy.
If they don't it will be returned and Bioware will never see my money again.

And I have to say, this community is fantastic. No trolls, no ripping peoples heads off just genuine discussion and advice. It's amazing what a game can do.

[DarkRavin07]

People should check out these 2 sites:

www.change.org/petitions/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc-we-want-a-dlc-that-changes-the-last-minutes-of-the-game


An a video about how we all feel:
www.youtube.com/watch

[Geda173]

primalgoose wrote...

The hope that a new DLC ending may be released is the only reason I'm holding onto my copy.
If they don't it will be returned and Bioware will never see my money again.

And I have to say, this community is fantastic. No trolls, no ripping peoples heads off just genuine discussion and advice. It's amazing what a game can do.

Shepard brought the galaxy together, Bioware the people...kind of.

[laughing sherpa girl]

zoider16 wrote...

Victia wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

zoider16 wrote...

Okay after reading what was said about all this on destructoid it really got me thinking. I have been against gamer entitlement which I do feel has been on a real rise and is growing out of control. BUT what I really want to know is what everyone here thinks, I want you to really stop think could this all be gamer entitlement. Just because they said that there would be all these different endings depending on your choices does it give us a right to demand a new ending?

I am not saying that this all gamer entitlement, I have actually never seen something like this among gamers but I still want to know what do you all think? Please don't just jump on right away and say no its not, just take a minute to really think about all this. Do we have the right to demand a new ending when we do not own the ip but were promised all these things that didn't exactly happen?

I am just wanting to get everyone to really think about this and observe all of this as best I can. I am a historian and this feels like it could become an important historic moment in gaming. Not sure how many other people involved in this are historians so I want to make sure I document this as best I can.

We've spent hundreds of hours and dollars supporting and getting invested in this incredibl story, I'd say we're "entitled" to a positive outcome, yes. This isn't a book, this is an RPG. It's supposed to be our story, Bioware just sets up the context. They absolute failed whatever they were trying to do with the ending. They're always so quick to say how much they listen to their fan base, how the fans co-create theese games with them. I think that's enough entitlement.

I dont think this is about gamer entitlement (or not in the way that most people  use the term)! I think its about the fact that everyone is invested, money (often havin to save for months to afford these games) , time in terms of hundreds of hour spend accros several playthrough, and emotionally in a ritch world that we have been able to shape (to an extent with our decisions) and when we where promiced endings to refect the time and emotion we had put in but got a generic one that explains nothing and honestly made me want to throw my xbox controller through the TV and cuss like a mad-man, people get a little restless, and feel like the deserved better treatment by developers who should have put a little more time and effort in to how it was going to end (even though I find it hard to believe they didnt see this coming!

I can definitely see your point in that regard that everyone has spent a huge amount of time and money in this series to make it as much as their own as possible. But if I could play the devils advocate here for a moment don't you think the fact that bioware let you make those wide sweeping decisions across those three games then brought it all back so you could see the results throughout three entitles them to decide the ending? Isn't the fact that they invented this entire series and handed it down to you to shape a story in the universe they created give them the right to decide how the trilogy ends?

ll,it isnt too steep of a climb to see that we werenot given the multiple  endings apromised, simply different colored endings. We were not allowed to see our decisions have any effect on the universe. We were too busy being slackjawed asd the universe came to a violent and grinding halt. The list goes on. bioware is indeed entitled to create it the way they wish too, however they are bound by law to advertise it truthfully. At least in this country. I believe Canada holds similar if not identical laws.  But then, i'm not a lawyer either. The product we purchased,is not the product they advertised.

[Mhgasa]

Gamer Genocider wrote...

In my opinion, these weren't the real endings. I think Shepard living ending is showing him wake up after the laser shot from Harbinger because there's no way he fell from the Citadel onto Earth and lived. And upon watching the video carefully, I saw something blue by Shepard's body. Alliance soldier? Maybe future DLC showing Shepard wake up and the endings were hallucinations.

I honestly believe that people are grasping at straws about the hallucination ending. I ask myself, how would this make sense business wise, and i cant really come up with a decent answer. I just cant fathom why they would  wind-up fans, only to say "surprise this isnt the real ending". What is happening atm is not really good for marketing and sales, so it really wouldnt make any sense unless they announced it REALLY soon or they will just end up doing more dmg than good with that kind of stunt. just my two cents. I hope im wrong and they have thought i thru.

[FugitiveMind]

primalgoose wrote...

Just think of the outrage people would have gotten if in Harry Potter, Voldemort actually killed him, then proceeded to T-bag his corpse and run away laughing..

Well damn, this well placed joke....

This is exactly what would have happened if in that last HP book, it ended immediately after HP took a green bolt to the face and had the train station bit.

Ended

Right there... no follow up, no climactic battle, no finish or closure. Just some metaphysical is this in my mind conversation with a dead guy, then fade out...

Amazing that a t-bagging joke leads me to the best comparison in today's culture for what this actually is

[vigna]

"A Strange Game. The only winning move is not to play"



I rest my case...

Modifié par vigna, 11 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[LostHero2k9]

Fushine wrote...
They are atleast free from indoctrination of rEApers that might be something of influence...

yeah.... hear that often recently....

[Sons Of Liberty]

I've been with BW since the beginning of the ME, been on this social thingy site for over 2 years and not made one single post, that should lead you to how bad I feel, (never really got into DA etc), bought every single DLC for all the games (including day one for 3), and I get this ending, sure after countless and countless threads, I'm still at a lose, and I understand some of them and others I can't comprehend, (namely the one from BW), the "halucinations one" I can understand and you must choose the "right" patch,  but why leave it hanging then?  I am like many more, doubt I can force myself to Pre-Order or buy anything else from them.

Sure, yes I know it's just a video game, and there are MANY more important things in life, I just did use EDIT, looking back at my saved games each save is 90+ hours on ME2 alone, x5, and ME1's are in the 60 range, so over 1000 hours of it, or so hours of my "not long life" on all 3 games to deserve this noir anyone else to deserve it, if I wouldn't have finished it myself and starting Googleing how bad the end was, I would've never believed any of these threads, but boy do I ever.  I was so utterly gutted, depressed (not really literally but emotional, I'm a emotional person, the kind that wears the heart on their sleeve kind of guy), I cried at a few parts of the game and I'm 32, a grown man, laugh whatever at me, it's the internet and I could care less what you "think" about me, crying in a video game, did I cry at the end, nope, I think I was in utter shock, I had some beer in and it was 3-AM or so, but it destroyed me so much, that I do not have the will to replay from 1 onwards, and I was so AMPED to do this, the ending, what can I say, stripped all hope away.  I'm thinking of playing a new game but I don't know how much I can of it at this point,  who would have ever thought you would be depressed and literally not even want to touch video games, I have a whole handful to play, and just can't do it.  It might take a week or two, I might start playing baseball, cause there is always hope no matter the score.

A man chooses, a slave obeys  <--is that not the way the ending was forcing you to do, obeying?

I do want to say thank you for the great series, ME was the best 3 games I think I've ever played (starting from my Nintendo years), the only game I can think off the top of my head that comes close is Bioshock.  That one will never leave me for all the right reasons, as of now ME3 will never ever leave me for all the wrong reasons, I think even a year form now, if I still own the game I will look at it and go, wow, pass, or play to the part where we take back earth.

So yes I'm just as distraught and hurt like the next guy/gal, but like I mentioned previously I've been here for 2+ years, and have been 100% satisfied from BW, never once had to complain, get a patch to fix a bug (I know a lot did), but I thought it was time to speak and not be silent anymore, which is unusual for me I'm not much a "social internet typeish person"   I don't even like playing Multiplayer and never will, just not the type of game I enjoy, I want to immerse my self in a great game and great story and NOT be forced to do anything I don't want to.  Again I do appreciate all the work and effort that went into the series even though most of the writers and staff left after each one, and for that I do thank you, but do know this,  for as much as you have made me happy with the franchise, you have doubled that in pain.  99% of the game/s were great it's the last 10-15 minute or so is your undoing grace, of such a beautiful game.

If something happens, explanations, fixes, dev comments, DLC, fine I can accept that, but where the game is now, I don't see how anymore than 10% of the intended audience can be satisfied with this, truthfully. And yes I get the point of this was out art direction, we stand behind our writers, etc, but if you really made ME3 with fans and took fan ideas, then you should clearly see there is something wrong here to be pages and pages and pages of the same thing, never I have I been so outraged at a game and I have never seen so many either. Sure there are more harsh things in the world, death, heartache, etc, dunno kind of feels like ME3 was BW's funeral to some folks around here.

And in case I somehow missed this, I do thank you as in BW for you hard work and great Trilogy, like other people and other things, what has happened here is a tradegy.  Mass Effect will forever go down as the best trilogy/series I have ever played, should say someting.  Just sourry it had to end like this

I think I've got it all, hopefully, I'm sure many will laugh and point at the crybaby, but meh, it's the internet, I just wanted to say my peace (and maybe they will read it) and move on. 



"From Andrew Ryan"

There's two ways to deal with mystery: uncover it, or eliminate it.  

Would you kindly?

Oh thank you for reading....

Modifié par Sons Of Liberty, 11 mars 2012 - 05:27 .