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#17151
Lurchibald

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Geda173 wrote...

Nathos wrote...

Geda173 wrote...

Can anyone pin point me in a direction to understand what people mean with "bad Fallout 3 ending" and "DLC that fixed it"? I havent player Fallout 3 and I'm not planning on doing so. A little help would be greatly appreciated.


In FO3 without the DLC you have to die to "save humanity" and the game ends. But Bethesda release a DLC that you don't have to die on the ending and still save everyone, plus you can keep playing exploring the game.


Ah okay. I did some research myself which is kind of hard if you don't have any idea. So sending in "Lyon" (I think thats her name) is the new ending? It still has a sour touch, because the narrator is not quite satisfied with your decision. At least you can keep playing and dont have to die. Unlike here.

Though the hallucination thread got me thinking. What if this little breath in the rubble really means that Shepard never got up to the Citadel and still has to do so? I just wish Bioware would finally say anything concerning the matter.


The thing is that you can also send in one of two companions 1. A ghoul who is immune to radiation and 2. a super mutant who is immune to radioation, thus saving Lyon and yourself (the narrator is still a ****** about it but seriously? why are we meant to kill ourselves when we have companions who are perfectally capable of NOT dying?) It was stupid story telling on Bethesda's part and they owned up to that glaring hole in logic and released a DLC that lets your mutant companions or Lyon go in instead.

Fallout Wikia wrote...

When the player is faced with the climactic decision at the conclusion of the game, Fawkes politely declines to enter the radioactive room in lieu of the player (even though he is immune to radioactivity), stating that the decision is the player's destiny and not his. However, if the player has the Broken Steel add-on installed, the option to send Fawkes in will appear, allowing the player to opt out of entering themselves or Sentinel Sarah Lyons. When this option is used, he states that although he was going to tell the player that the player's destiny lies in that chamber, he has already altered his own.



#17152
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The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.

#17153
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Wraith 02 wrote...

All I wanted from endings was

Renegade
1. You didn't prepare enough and everybody dies, The Reapers win
2. You sacrifice your alien allies fleets to save humanity and defeat the Reapers

Paragon
1. You didn't prepare enough and have to sacrifice yourself and the human fleets to save the rest of the galaxy.
2. You rally the entire galaxy against the Reapers and destroy them becoming a galactic hero.

Might seem a bit simple but I would have loved something like this.


Yes. This. This is what I expected. Or something along these lines. 

#17154
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Yeah if the hallucination/indoctrination thing IS what they were going for, it's still no excuse for leaving us dumbfounded.

I'd actually rather them admit that they were wrong. Would make me feel like they care and that they can accept that they screwed up.

The indoctrination ending just means they want more money out of us.

#17155
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http://www.google.de...channel=suggest

WELL WELL WELL. Looks oddly familiar.

Modifié par Geda173, 11 mars 2012 - 01:56 .


#17156
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I really was hoping for TIM to actually control the reapers. You had the chance to stop him and save the day, or you could have agreed with it and taken control of the galaxy.

Since TIM had effects of indoctrination I was hoping he didnt get it fully or the scientists saved him. All my wants we're sadly wrong and forgotten

#17157
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Aztlanna wrote...

Perkocet13 wrote...

how about having javik sacrifice himself instead of shepard, i think that makes more sense, let shep live, kill off the guy whose people are already dead.


TBH, I thought this would be a Renegade option.


Me too, which is why he was on my squad at the end. I was anticipating someone would die, and I was fully prepared to toss him at the problem and run like heck. And I did that even though it betrayed the paragon option I was playing. I wanted my happy ending with my LI.

Not that I'm against sad endings, as I did sacrifice my character in Dragon Age Origins more than once, but I would like the option of a happy ending as well.

#17158
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kramerfan86 wrote...

Honestly as much as I hate the endings I think my fellow disappointeds who are hoping for bioware to actually fix it are barking up the wrong tree. At best you might get them trying to explain and justify their ending and at worst they will just tell us to deal with it. An actual fix is not coming.


Well if this is the case the they won't see another penny from me and I will end my tor sub if we don't get some sort of responce on monday.

Modifié par christrek1982, 11 mars 2012 - 02:13 .


#17159
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Nathos wrote...

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Jetfire99 wrote...

Edbi wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress.
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 520
- Scottish fleet- 100
- Glaswegian Battalions - 20

United States of America - 770
- Oregon Engineer Section - 100
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50
- Oregon Engineering Section - 20
- Pacific Northwest Hipster Batallion -50
- Hoosier Cruiser - 20
- Maryland Vanguard Assault Unit: Raven Corps - 80
- Michigan Medical Corps - 50



Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
- Vancouver Island Covert Ops- 100


European Union: 660
- Poland - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
- Czech Bio-Engineering Laboratories -50
- Slovak fleet - 100
- Swedish fleet - 100

- Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
- German Fleet - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50


Russian fleets - 450
- Russian Destroyers - 50
- Siberian Special Task Forces -100


Other Nations: 900
- Australia - 150
- Brazilia Militia - 200
- Argentinian Fleet - 150
- Singapore Strike Team - 100
- Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (approx)
- Israel Mossad Infiltration Unit -150

Misc:
- Tamcia' Frigate - 10
- SSV VyR - 25


you forgot Czech Fleet :D we are still here and ready


SSV  Sechelt - 10

Reporting.  
Awaiting to join formation with the Canadian fleet.





New Brazilian assets reporting in
Let's take our better ending!!!!

Brazilian Fleet - 490
Brazilian Cruisers São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and Brasilia - 120
Brazilian Frigates Riachuelo (http://en.wikipedia....le_of_riachuelo)  - 40
Brazilian Marines - 50
Brazilian Jungle and Urban Commandos - 80
Brazilian Militia -200



Count me in bro! Brazilians united to bring down the rEApers!



Make that Sao Paulo, Rio and Brasilia fleet 150. I'm in :)

#17160
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Jetfire99 wrote...

Edbi wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress.
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 520
- Scottish fleet- 100
- Glaswegian Battalions - 20

United States of America - 770
- Oregon Engineer Section - 100
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50
- Oregon Engineering Section - 20
- Pacific Northwest Hipster Batallion -50
- Hoosier Cruiser - 20
- Maryland Vanguard Assault Unit: Raven Corps - 80
- Michigan Medical Corps - 50



Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
- Vancouver Island Covert Ops- 100


European Union: 660
- Poland - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
- Czech Bio-Engineering Laboratories -50
- Slovak fleet - 100
- Swedish fleet - 100

- Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
- German Fleet - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50


Russian fleets - 450
- Russian Destroyers - 50
- Siberian Special Task Forces -100


Other Nations: 900
- Australia - 150
- Brazilia Militia - 200
- Argentinian Fleet - 150
- Singapore Strike Team - 100
- Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (approx)
- Israel Mossad Infiltration Unit -150

Misc:
- Tamcia' Frigate - 10
- SSV VyR - 25


you forgot Czech Fleet :D we are still here and ready


SSV  Sechelt - 10

Reporting.  
Awaiting to join formation with the Canadian fleet.





Arizona "Geronimo" Battalion - 50

Arizona "Geronimo" Battalion reporting in. Ready to coordinate attack with USA Fleet.

#17161
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At this point I would just like to here something from the people at Bioware. Whether it's to say "we're aware of your concers and will look into it" or to say "it's the ending we want and we're not changing it."

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http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

keep the votes coming peeps!

nearing 12,000!

Modifié par ViperAlvein, 11 mars 2012 - 02:00 .


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Kitten Tactics wrote...

The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.

They could say that up front..........to avoid this......

#17164
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Geda173 wrote...

http://www.google.de...channel=suggest

WELL WELL WELL. Looks oddly familiar.


That it does!

#17165
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So your feeling on this is similar to how you might feel if you bought a faulty piece of hardware from somewhere like best buy. Since you put money into the product and either dont want or can not return you want them to fix it? Can you now think of games in these types of terms though? In the past if an ending or something like this was unsatisfactory you could either deal with how it ended or return it there was no idea of this patch or DLC in the early days of gaming. Do we now think problems with games such as a bad ending should be dealt with just like anything else we take it to the people who made and ask them to fix it?


Well yes actually. If unsatisfied with the product you have the right to complain. I don't see how buying shoes, wearing them a little bit and then returning them because you don't like them for a full refund is any different to being unhappy with a game. 


The difference between the shoes and the game is normally nothing, you take them both back, get your money, and largely forget the experience over time. That is not really the case in this instance because we are not simply returning a bad game we are asking for the game to be "fixed" in a way like we would faulty hardware. If the game was bad there would be uproar but not on this scale, we are reaching the levels we are because we want to see it changed. This to me feels very different from how the relationship between gamers and developers use to function.

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chosen_trekie wrote...

At this point I would just like to here something from the people at Bioware. Whether it's to say "we're aware of your concers and will look into it" or to say "it's the ending we want and we're not changing it."


https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

Scroll down a bit. He says he is reading, just not ready to comment.

#17167
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Sl4sh3r wrote...

Yeah if the hallucination/indoctrination thing IS what they were going for, it's still no excuse for leaving us dumbfounded.

I'd actually rather them admit that they were wrong. Would make me feel like they care and that they can accept that they screwed up.

The indoctrination ending just means they want more money out of us.


 Not to mention would be hella messed up to players who cant get the dlc. If they dont have xbl or cant connect their playstations to live or whatever other reason. (Unless they release it in stores aswell like alot of dlc now a'days.)

#17168
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Topher1127 wrote...

I really was hoping for TIM to actually control the reapers. You had the chance to stop him and save the day, or you could have agreed with it and taken control of the galaxy.

Since TIM had effects of indoctrination I was hoping he didnt get it fully or the scientists saved him. All my wants we're sadly wrong and forgotten

See, the only problem with that is-- that isn't renegade...that is "evil".  Renegade is supposed to just be a badass that ultimately does the right thing in a rengade manner.

#17169
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 Hi Bioware Team,
I am from Canada,

I don't post on game forums anymore, I only registered yesterday to post my thoughts on the conclusion of your trilogy. The entire game is an excellent masterpiece filled with drama, character development and gratification, ending with a final assult on our home planet, to take back the Earth. Your entire game envoked this emotional entanglement  that I haven't experienced since I grew up. I played the first Mass Effect as a teenager and the story that you told was dark, but inspirational - like the beginning of an epic.

I waited five years to finally complete my Chinese Sheperd playthrough. I wanted to save China, luckily according to the picture of the planet when you take back the Earth, China was not hit as hard as Europe or North America, and many of those interior Chinese were spared the reaper invasion. The best part about playing your trilogy was getting to know the characters. Garrus, Ashely, Kaiden, Liara, Tali, Wrex, Joker - then you introduced new ones, Jacob, Miranda, Thane, Samara, Mordin, Jack, Edi, and Grunt. Throughout the course of the Mass Effect trilogy, character development has been the biggest part of the Mass Effect experience in my case, equal to you giving us the chance to choose how this game progresses. My Shep liked aliens, since there were no Chinese squadmates.

99.5% of your game was literary genuis, an epitome of interactive story telling, a wonderful work of fiction that captured the imaginations and fears of thousands spanning across cultures and backgrounds. The death of Mordin Solus, the Krogans, The Quarians and Geth, Cerberus, Khalisah Al Jilani breaking into tears over the loss of the Human homeworld, there is a message of hope in all this. If we are able to sacrifice our own integrity and stop thinking about our own personal morality, we might just pull this off: Or the Paragon route, which Chinese Shep took obviously, being from Canada.

99.5% of your game will go down in history, not just for video gaming, but as an art piece, one of the most engaging and personal stories ever told. A game that Bioware can tuck in its belt, like you did with KOTOR, where your company can set the benchmark that all other companies try to emulate. I know Bioware isn't just about the money. It may be a business, it may be incorporated and have shareholders, but the employees at Bioware are designing Art. We know you care about the products you put out into the marketplace, it is evident by the extreme attention you put into continuity and the little quirks that make us smile.

Designing and making video games is not fun, its hard work, long hours and stressful. Like a lot of jobs. However, an accountant does not get to sit back at the end of the day, point to something and say "I created this. I and my entire community put in untold hours and created this masterpiece." Except for, of course, if you have accountants at Bioware. This is the sad part about your fans reaction. 0.5% of your game is flawed, and I wouldn't believe it. but 0.5% of that is at the end and it competely invalidates anything that was accomplished across three games. The hours you put into Mass Effect 1, 2 and 3 are now meaningless to the story.

I believe that Mass Effect fans are upset because the universe they have grown to love, is the reason they played Mass Effect 3. Reapers were coming to destroy it, and kill everyone. We all hoped we could stop it, or even loose to the Reapers. The way the story ended, with the mass relays gone, the Geth dead, perhaps those relays exploded and killed everything, if you chose destroy, well universe is saved sort of, and that is a reasonable conclusion for real life. I mean we all die anyways and the impacts that the majority of us have is negligible in the world, a world that will forget us, but Mass Effect isn't as depressing as real life. In Mass Effect you can't get cancer and humans live beyond one hundred years, all the characters that have bad parents end up super powerful biotics or something.

The soul crushing that Mass Effect 3 is a great ride. Thane, Mordin, Legion, Tali, Miranda, the way they die, the way countless people in this universe perish, is the most depressing ride that I have ever seen through a median like this, and it is beautiful. The endings are nothing like this. Somehow these endings managed to invalidate three games full of choices. Other people have expressed the reasons why the ending makes all of our Shepard's choices redundant. All this game needs to be that epitome of storytelling, is a good ending. The reception that your fans are showing is an indicator that the current ending is not good. If Bioware employees put this much passion, love and spent life into making this game as perfect as they can, isn't it doing all that work an injustice by allowing 99.5% of that wonderful epic piece of storytelling to be ruined by 0.5% of work that wasn't so good, which is understandable, we know you were under a lot of stress during this project. Bioware employees are human beings, and a lot of them are Canadians, which makes them more Human.

I will pay $10 to download DLC that fixes the endings and bring closure. The current ending seems to conjure up this feeling inside me, "What was the point of playing?" I would try to answer "The Experience," but that has all been devalued by five minutes of gameplay. I hope we can have our really depressing endings, and our endings that are not as depressing. I was planning on buying the extra DLC like Arrival and Kasumi after I finished Mass Effect 3, but with this conclusion, I feel like it was all for nothing. My choices didn't really matter.

Sincerely,
Nova Scotia,

Modifié par SadShepUniverseDead, 11 mars 2012 - 02:04 .


#17170
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Zirobo wrote...

Jetfire99 wrote...

Edbi wrote...

Eirileth wrote...

Inspection of BSN forces in progress.
Take back the endings!
We are going to fight with rEApers!

United Kigdom - 520
- Scottish fleet- 100
- Glaswegian Battalions - 20

United States of America - 770
- Oregon Engineer Section - 100
- Pittsburgh Steelers heavy infantry/Pittsburgh Steelers Iron Curtian - 100
- Southwest Missouri angry republican 50
- Southern Overwatch - 80
- Special Ops - 100
- Vermont Hippie potheads - 50
- Oregon Engineering Section - 20
- Pacific Northwest Hipster Batallion -50
- Hoosier Cruiser - 20
- Maryland Vanguard Assault Unit: Raven Corps - 80
- Michigan Medical Corps - 50



Canada - 400
- Saskatchewan mechanical division - 50
- SSV Guelph - 50
- Atlantic Canadian fleet reporting in - 140
- Edmonton Blood Dragons - 150
- Canadian Tundra Engineering Corps - 50
- Vancouver Island Covert Ops- 100


European Union: 660
- Poland - 100
- Czech Science Crew - 50
- Czech Bio-Engineering Laboratories -50
- Slovak fleet - 100
- Swedish fleet - 100

- Lone Turkish Frigate - 10
- German Fleet - 200
- German Pioneer Corps - 50


Russian fleets - 450
- Russian Destroyers - 50
- Siberian Special Task Forces -100


Other Nations: 900
- Australia - 150
- Brazilia Militia - 200
- Argentinian Fleet - 150
- Singapore Strike Team - 100
- Spanish & Latin Fleets in - 150 (approx)
- Israel Mossad Infiltration Unit -150

Misc:
- Tamcia' Frigate - 10
- SSV VyR - 25


you forgot Czech Fleet :D we are still here and ready


SSV  Sechelt - 10

Reporting.  
Awaiting to join formation with the Canadian fleet.





Arizona "Geronimo" Battalion - 50

Arizona "Geronimo" Battalion reporting in. Ready to coordinate attack with USA Fleet.


Kansas "Battle" Chiefs - 25

#17171
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Kitten Tactics wrote...

The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.


Wait, what?

#17172
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Kitten Tactics wrote...

The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.


Now thats some evil DRM. I like it. Especially if it's true and th actual ending can keep up with the expectations it will feel even more glorious.

Modifié par Sharrack, 11 mars 2012 - 02:07 .


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Almostfaceman wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.


Wait, what?


All this.
I believe it's a multipronged attack by EA to combat piracy/secondhandedness and Bioware for the leaks

Or as Blasto would put it:
They are engaging in reproductive behaviour with these ones

#17174
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vigna wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

The idea is that by inserting a false ending, nothing leaks. By providing the proper ending via Alliance Network, only paying customers can access the true ending.

Bioware CLEARLY isn't done based on their comments.

They could say that up front..........to avoid this......


They might simply want to see how strongly people re-act to their "fake" ending. It may make people respect Bioware more for fooling them or it might backfire into what it is. A money making scheme, if it's true that is. It's certainly a possibility.

Modifié par Korhiann, 11 mars 2012 - 02:07 .


#17175
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more I am thinking about what I saw in the ending - destroy and i think we can expect dlc soon or some unlock of story(through the origin maybe)
I am 36 hours awake but i think it was realy halucination(indoctrination)

Czech fleet is still with you, but SSV Orlová(ship under my command) needs wait in reserve to find with whom fight.

Who is the Reaper?

SSV Orlová - cruiser
Orlová - Czech town(my town)
-30 war asset from Czech fleet

+30 maybe/reserve