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[mauro2222]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

laughing sherpa girl wrote...


Found this on gamefaqs iirc : yfrog.com/z/nvzxu5zj

Holy...

And father

[Nathos]

Will we reach 700 pages?

[mauro2222]

Alamandorious wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Catalyst: Shepard, press a button and something awesome happens.

Shepard: Hmm...didn't they say that about DA2? Look what happened!

*tries to Paragon/Renegade interrupt*
*nothing happens*


I'm fine if Shepard dies. Just not like this Bioware. Not like this. I also think there should be option for a happy ending. A lot of time has been spent playing ME1 and ME2 ad though some gamers like myself are fine with a DA:O style Ultimate Sacrifice, there should also be a "CHOICE" for a happy ending.

I can see all that...except the Elcor.

Elcor, running?  Ummm....well, I suppose they could move -a bit- faster than a slow human walk.

They are slow on their planet, where gravity is stronger. But they must be really fast on earth's gravity or the citadel.

[Annaleah]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I don't care if you want to call it a Disney ending or not, the OPTION, the CHOICE, should have been there. More options, more choices, more closure.

Here here!
Also, I got my "Disney" ending in Dragon Age: Origins and that game was supposed to be "Dark". Yes, I had to make a few choices against my morals and a few sacrifices but it was worth it to get the ending I wanted...
It's like Bioware completely forgot how to do that.

I would gladly vaporize half the fleet if it meant I could live Happily ever after with Garrus and all our adopted Turian and Human (and maybe Krogan) children.

[Ormeriel]

I am just hoping the hallucination theory is true, and it might be as it is the only way to explain all the plotholes and inconsistencies in the citadel part:

- Why is everyone in the normandy in the end? Including the people that supposedly "died" with you

- Why is shepard without his armor in the citadel? But is with his armor in the post credits video when he breathes

- Why does those rubbles in the post credits video looks like earth rubbles and not high tech/citadel rubble?

- Why is TIM here? How did he even arrive in the Citadel in the first place?

- Why is Anderson mentioning that "the citadel layout is changing", like in a dream maybe?

- Why are all the corpses of human lying around? That's not the reapers way, if they take them to harvest them the would be nicely put in coffing or tubes or whatever, waiting to be processed

- Why does shepard gun suddenly have infinite ammo? Like in a dream?

- And the weirdest thing of all: Why does "The Catalyst" looks exactly like the kid that dies at the beginning and is haunting Shepard dream/nightmare? Maybe because it is ANOTHER dream/Nightmare.

I could go on, because there is a LOT of small details that just feels wrong or out of place, like in a dream or the reapers going all Inception on us.

[Levvi]

Piers Dibdin wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

rogueagent6 wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Please indulge us crazies for a moment. The following is a partial list of reasons we believe the ending is a hallucination. I promise if you read it, it will make more sense than you think.

-The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final scenes.

-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.

-Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade. The reapers are saying that Destroy is the worst, Control is worse, and Synthesis is the best. They want you to fail.

-Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

-In Synthesis and Control, the various energies cause Shepard to turn black and start to appear VERY husk-like. This does not happen in Destroy because Destroy is the only option in which Shepard is not falling under Reaper control.

-Shepard wakes up after Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-How would the reapers (or anything really) know to use the image of the child unless they were inside Shepard's head?

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.

If you would like to discuss/contribute, please visit the thread listed here:

http://social.biowar.../index/9727423/

This.

The whole ending sequence makes sence if it was a mental battle within Shepards mind. And because of this I did go back and play the start to get to the kid. You do indeed hear a growl when Anderson snaps you out of it, what you don't hear is the kid moving backwards into the duct.

Also, it is stated throughout all the games and novels that ANY reaper tech can indoctrinate, and throughout the entire series Shepard is exposed to reaper tech all the time. I don't know how many reaper sheild boosters I destroyed throughout ME3. That also would explain why you only get the ending with Shepard partially burried in rubble when you chose destroy, because only in destroy do you win the mental battle.

Lastly, when talking to James Vega, he does ask you if you hear that humming...

Hoping this is the direction they went.

I wish they would make it more clear. And if it's true the game doesn't have an ending yet.

OMG!  I would LOVE if there was no ending and they can give me DLC to fix the huge logic jumps and plot holes in the last few minutes of the game.  I still do not understand why the Normandy was performing a Mass Relay Jump, or where they just out running the destruction of the Sol Local System - I mean that was established that if a Relay blows up their goes the system.  So no matter the ending, the Reapers and the Catalyst win.

I really, really love this. If this is true, my faith in BioWare will be restored.

[IndelibleJester]

Didn't Bioware say there would be things having to deal with indoctrination in ME3? Did I miss a point where you have to deal with it besides the very end with Shep?

[Vynar Drace]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Please indulge us crazies for a moment. The following is a partial list of reasons we believe the ending is a hallucination. I promise if you read it, it will make more sense than you think.

-The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final scenes.

-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.

-Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade. The reapers are saying that Destroy is the worst, Control is worse, and Synthesis is the best. They want you to fail.

-Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

-In Synthesis and Control, the various energies cause Shepard to turn black and start to appear VERY husk-like. This does not happen in Destroy because Destroy is the only option in which Shepard is not falling under Reaper control.

-Shepard wakes up after Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-How would the reapers (or anything really) know to use the image of the child unless they were inside Shepard's head?

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.

If you would like to discuss/contribute, please visit the thread listed here:

http://social.biowar.../index/9727423/

Now this is a really good post and does make a lot of sense, that is still a dick move by Bioware. And I hear people saying that they want a better ending in paid dlc, it needs to be a free patch. Selling an unfinished product and then charging to fix it is horrific. But man reading your post things just make too much sense.

[Alamandorious]

I'm honestly hoping that these endings are a hallucination brought on by attempted indoctrination, and that they're holding back the real endgame and endings for when it's been out for awhile; a massive ploy to get us all worked up and then to go 'naaah, we were just kidding; here's the REAL endgame' and distribute it as a patch/free dlc.

I know it's not likely...but...I can dream..

[hector7rau]

laughing sherpa girl wrote...


Found this on gamefaqs iirc : yfrog.com/z/nvzxu5zj

What is this i don't even...

[Lurchibald]

Alamandorious wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Catalyst: Shepard, press a button and something awesome happens.

Shepard: Hmm...didn't they say that about DA2? Look what happened!

*tries to Paragon/Renegade interrupt*
*nothing happens*


I'm fine if Shepard dies. Just not like this Bioware. Not like this. I also think there should be option for a happy ending. A lot of time has been spent playing ME1 and ME2 ad though some gamers like myself are fine with a DA:O style Ultimate Sacrifice, there should also be a "CHOICE" for a happy ending.

I can see all that...except the Elcor.

Elcor, running?  Ummm....well, I suppose they could move -a bit- faster than a slow human walk.

A gorilla can reach a top speed of about 25 MPH, considering the make up of the Elcor (coming from a higher gravity planet) they should easily be able to achieve a high running speed on Earth (much higher than any human)

[devSin]

CronoDragoon wrote...

At this point, I would rather believe in the hallucination ending. Think about that. I'd rather believe they left out the true ending of the game in order to sell it to us separate for $10 than believe it's the real ending.

I would rather believe it, but I don't.

What we have is all we're going to get. Why did your friends abandon Earth, your fleets, and you? How did Joker know to hit the relay at the exact moment before it exploded? How did companions who rushed Harbinger with you end up smiling on the Normandy on some random planet?

Yeah, because they wanted the possibility to use those characters in the future without having to deal with Shepard. That's why. And if you played through all three games and had any sort of attachment to those characters and to Shepard's relationship with them, well, screw you.

[xDarkspace]

no ****

Modifié par xDarkspace, 11 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[xDarkspace]

Nathos wrote...

Will we reach 700 pages?

 no **** lol

[rekkoi]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I don't care if you want to call it a Disney ending or not, the OPTION, the CHOICE, should have been there. More options, more choices, more closure.

I highly agree with this. So we all could have really gotten the ending we have been waiting so long for.

[ReapersSniper]

IndelibleJester wrote...

Didn't Bioware say there would be things having to deal with indoctrination in ME3? Did I miss a point where you have to deal with it besides the very end with Shep?

The only time I saw it was with TIM other then that I didn't see anyone else indoctrinated

[DifferentD17]

A lot of anger will subside if it was a hallucination, though I'd be pissed for a different reason now that there isn't a real ending and we have to wait for the real one.

[GBGriffin]

ReapersSniper wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Didn't Bioware say there would be things having to deal with indoctrination in ME3? Did I miss a point where you have to deal with it besides the very end with Shep?

The only time I saw it was with TIM other then that I didn't see anyone else indoctrinated

Well, Sanctuary was all about studying it...and questioning whether Udina was indoctrinated.

Actually, didn't some of the side quests involve indoctrinated officials or something? 

I dunno, I feel that it came up more than once.

[Kloborgg711]

I don't see how they could possibly deal with this aside from purely ignoring the complaints and hope they go away.

"We pride ourselves on working with our fans. Every game we make is really a collaboration between our developers and our fans. Our fans are what make these games so great."

"Hey, 97% of your fanbase felt very dissatisfied with your game, many of them complaining about emotional depression, and saying that the ending ruined their enjoyment of every game in the series."

"Deal with it"

I can't see that happening.


That kind of forced thinking is my real hope that Bioware will provide us with what we want. This will truly be the real test on whether or not they stick to their claim.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 11 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[ReapersSniper]

I just seen a ME commercail on tv I just don't see how they can have such BA commercials but having a godawful ending.

[Alamandorious]

Lurchibald wrote...

Alamandorious wrote...

wicked_being wrote...

Catalyst: Shepard, press a button and something awesome happens.

Shepard: Hmm...didn't they say that about DA2? Look what happened!

*tries to Paragon/Renegade interrupt*
*nothing happens*


I'm fine if Shepard dies. Just not like this Bioware. Not like this. I also think there should be option for a happy ending. A lot of time has been spent playing ME1 and ME2 ad though some gamers like myself are fine with a DA:O style Ultimate Sacrifice, there should also be a "CHOICE" for a happy ending.

I can see all that...except the Elcor.

Elcor, running?  Ummm....well, I suppose they could move -a bit- faster than a slow human walk.

A gorilla can reach a top speed of about 25 MPH, considering the make up of the Elcor (coming from a higher gravity planet) they should easily be able to achieve a high running speed on Earth (much higher than any human)

Ever see them move in-game?  They move very, very slowly.  The do everything very, very slowly.

[ReapersSniper]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Didn't Bioware say there would be things having to deal with indoctrination in ME3? Did I miss a point where you have to deal with it besides the very end with Shep?

The only time I saw it was with TIM other then that I didn't see anyone else indoctrinated

Well, Sanctuary was all about studying it...and questioning whether Udina was indoctrinated.

Actually, didn't some of the side quests involve indoctrinated officials or something? 

I dunno, I feel that it came up more than once.

I forgot abt Sanctuary, I can't remember if any of the side quests had any indotrinations or not, and Udina I think was just power hungry and it got the best of em.

[Kloborgg711]

ReapersSniper wrote...

I just seen a ME commercail on tv I just don't see how they can have such BA commercials but having a godawful ending.

 

Easy. They manage to have a BA series from beginning until almost the very end. Pick and choose from any part of the game barring the last 10 minutes and you have a BA commercial. My problem is that the commercial is kind of misleading. I don't think anyone can argue that the overall theme of the advertising campaign was always

"Take Earth Back"

Which kind of sucks, because you really don't take anything back. It's more like

"Turn Galactic Civilization FUBAR and leave the mess on Earth for people to clean up"

[Reptilian Rob]

I'm I the ONLY one who's Shepard lived?

[wolverine4262]

Jessica Merizan says she interpreted the citadel events at the end a "dying hallucination" on her twitter.