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[Gringo2585]

Ive never been legitimately upset or angry with a game's ending until now. Loved every minute of this game, played for hours thinking hard about my decisions making sure to get everyone to help and build my fleet. Then the ending comes along and ...guess what? your choices from all 3 games make no impact. your screwed either way. I have 9 playthroughs of the first 2 ME games, and i cant even bring myself to play my second character in this one. Ive always loved bioware games and I hope they do not let us down and they change the ending. Read some theories about how its a dream and whatever, and I would totally be OK with that if it made sense. Also whatever happened to all the references to dark energy in ME2? Did that get fixed magically in the time my shepard was in jail?

[DarkSpider88]

Good night everybody. Be back to check back in tomorrow. Hold the line!

[Eirileth]

Avaric4 wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

And a DLC is exactly what I want. This is not "CURZE YOU, BIOWARE, A THOUSAND POX UPON YOUR SOX!" but rather a request for them to make ONE final gesture to the benefit of fans who followed this game and took it every bit as seriously as they did, to make it all possible.

This. Very much this.

I agree with this entirely. Even if they make it a PAID DLC. I will buy it. I want it that badly. And with the hope I have gained from the possibility of the hallucination/indoctrination theory, I have gotten enough strength to bring myself to work my ass off in MP to get my Galactic Readiness up to 100%.

[JPshieux]

Militarized wrote...

I've read the whole ending being a hallucination/indoctrination bit so much that I'm believing it our of desperation... it actually has lifted my mood enough to play the multiplayer again.

Argh! Me too Keelah Se'lai, me too... The only problem with that is that desperation and anxiousness returns tenfolds because if it was all a hallucination it means that the Reapers are still out there killing people and I'm not stopping them!

[Eirileth]

Schirach wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I've read the whole ending being a hallucination/indoctrination bit so much that I'm believing it our of desperation... it actually has lifted my mood enough to play the multiplayer again.

Argh! Me too Keelah Se'lai, me too... The only problem with that is that desperation and anxiousness returns tenfolds because if it was all a hallucination it means that the Reapers are still out there killing people and I'm not stopping them!

This. 9000 times this. Keelah Se'lai.

[J5550123]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

Good night everybody. Be back to check back in tomorrow. Hold the line!

Goodnight.

[Rob8228]

Chatboy 91 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

Exactly. The romance subplot in ME3 was definitely my favorite of all the ME games, and it was amazing. Also, the characters have more natural movements and facial expressions, so it made it so much better and cuter. It was well written, and the goodbyes right before the final battle made me cry...
My mom and I were crying together (yes, I played ME3 with my mom sitting on the couch behind me...the beauty of being on spring break from college)

Me too, especislly with Garrus. I absolutely lost control.

**** man, Garrus was the absolute definition of a bro in ME3. The target practice on the citadel was brilliant, and that final goodbye was heart wrenching. When Harbinger hit, I was so worried about him and Liara. But of course, deus ex machina messed everything up, and I don't really know what happened to them. I saw Liara step off the ship though, not that it made any sense.

Yep, Garrus was like a brother. That's why that exchange was ripping my heart out.

[Book buster]

Preaching to the choir here, I know but...

The ending. Dear god, the ending! What. The. Fark. I mean... I think actually managed to ruin the entire series for me. All of that work doing completion runs with my One True Shepard. All of that investment of time and emotion. And none of it mattered. The endings are the same for everyone - paragon and renegade, completionist and speed-runner, ME2 final mission party-survival or a near-total wipe- and all of them suck, and not in a satisfying 'heroic sacrifice at a terrible cost' or a 'I hated it but did what had to be done' kind of way.

Each choice on offer was effectively a surrender for my paragon Shep who has been to hell and back, fighting to the bitter end all the way to keep her ideals. Destroy all synthetic life? Goddamnit, I just spent half of ME2 proving that synthetics don't just want to kill all humans, and again in ME3 proving that synthetics and organics can actually get along. What total bulldust.

Control the Reapers by effectively becoming them? The whole moral of the Cerberus storyline is that unchecked power corrupts even the strongest of ideals and leads to the creation of even greater atrocities than you seek to prevent; and that you can only ride the tiger for so long before it turns on you and devours you. Merge organic and synthetic life together into a new whole? You know, between the Joker/EDI romance, the mind-trip into the Geth server and the massive amount of cybernetics plugged into my Shep's body (as you yourself pointed out, glowing blue annoying child), we're doing quite well at that ourselves, thank you. We would like to continue doing so, at our own pace, in our own time. Besides, isn't your cybernetics tech/software the one that robs everything it touches of their free-will?

The whole thing also flies in the face of what I took to be one of the greater over-arching themes of the Mass Effect universe: the transition from adolescence to adulthood. The council races are a pack of squabbling teens who are forced to rebel and grow up after realizing that their parents are not perfect, and - worse - are no longer acting in their best interests. It's a theme we see reflected in several of the key characters of the series. Miranda flees her controlling, ego-maniacal father and ultimately kills him. Liara quietly rebels against Benezia all of her life, and later has to come to terms with the fact that her mother was deeply, deeply flawed. A second blow comes when she realises that the Protheans, who are largely father figure to the council races, weren't the benevolent paragons she'd idealised them to be.  Tali spends a great chunk of her life trying to make up for her father's mistakes, only to realize that she has to stop living for him and start living for herself. Jacob's father goes so far 'round the twist that has to be put down. Ashley lives perpetually in her father's shadow until she is forced to step up and surpass him. And the ending effectively reduces the council races to a state of enforced childhood again, like someone who's forced to move back in with their parents after living on their own. "Stop having a temper tantrum - mommy and daddy are here now and will make it all better."  The whole point was to break the council races out of their box, and the ending put them right back in it.

I'm tempted to replay the final chapter again (no save points! argh!) just so I can shoot that goddamn glowing starchild thing in the face. Actually... has anyone tried that? Maybe it offers another, better ending...

Modifié par Book buster, 11 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Puppet_Guy]

Eirileth wrote...

Schirach wrote...

Militarized wrote...

I've read the whole ending being a hallucination/indoctrination bit so much that I'm believing it our of desperation... it actually has lifted my mood enough to play the multiplayer again.

Argh! Me too Keelah Se'lai, me too... The only problem with that is that desperation and anxiousness returns tenfolds because if it was all a hallucination it means that the Reapers are still out there killing people and I'm not stopping them!

This. 9000 times this. Keelah Se'lai.

9000 times that.  And so we'll hit them 9000 times harder.

Reapers have no chance s'long as we have something to say about it.

[JeffFah3y]

Too bad the hackers can't read the game code and see if the DLC we're hoping for isn't already programmed and is waiting for a $10 deposit to be unlocked....

[Pheonix57]

Am I the only one who felt something go horribly wrong when Hackett says, "Shepard, the Crucible isn't firing"?

[kyles3]

This is one of the best games I've ever played but the ending is...utterly deflating. It was so amazing to be able to bring the galaxy together but then at the end...everyone gets forced apart anyway. It really is depressing.

[Warhawk7137]

Just (finally) finished my first playthrough (and i knew the endings well beforehand).

Hmm...

I actually don't hate the ending, but I do have some issues with how it's ambiguous about 8 ways to Sunday.

I am simultaneously satisfied and unsatisfied.

TBH, I'm not sure I even have a problem with any single element of the ending.  Or even necessarily the ending as a whole.  Don't mind the kid.  Don't mind the choice.  Don't mind what happens to the Normandy.

And frankly I think it could have been a great ending - if it was about twice as long and filled in some of the blanks.  As it is it seems to invite speculation.

I do stand by my previous assertions that the endings aren't as bad in-universe as some people might suggest, though.

[wicked_being]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

The tears. They won't stop. ;___;
Tell me this is all a bad, bad, bad dream.

*pats head* There there. Be strong, we're all in this together. 

[Puppet_Guy]

Pheonix57 wrote...

Am I the only one who felt something go horribly wrong when Hackett says, "Shepard, the Crucible isn't firing"?

Not just you...  Although I had entertained the idea that Shepard sacrificed him/herself as a sort of power source so it could fire or something...  Made more sense in my head than it did typing it down.  <_<

[TheGoddess0fWar]

This thread wasn't gonna get by without one of these

[Nathos]

Would be nice if anyone could share some hugs in this moment of pain.

http://social.biowar...index/9711180/1

[DifferentD17]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

Just (finally) finished my first playthrough (and i knew the endings well beforehand).

Hmm...

I actually don't hate the ending, but I do have some issues with how it's ambiguous about 8 ways to Sunday.

I am simultaneously satisfied and unsatisfied.

TBH, I'm not sure I even have a problem with any single element of the ending.  Or even necessarily the ending as a whole.  Don't mind the kid.  Don't mind the choice.  Don't mind what happens to the Normandy.

And frankly I think it could have been a great ending - if it was about twice as long and filled in some of the blanks.  As it is it seems to invite speculation.

I do stand by my previous assertions that the endings aren't as bad in-universe as some people might suggest, though.

But the ending doesn't have anything to do with the war assets you aquired, you don't get anything for trying harder.

[xDarkspace]

Destruction - is the same thing as being a reaper, synthetics destroy organics but if you pick destroy option its the same thing organics destroy synthetics.

Synthesis - is making synthetics & organics equal

Control - is ****ing around with **** that you shouldent because its a bad ****ing idea

but in the end everybody is ****ed so it does not matter lol thats the problam.

[GSS115]

I think we are makeing progress towards a better ending.  Please sign up if you havn't already:
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[Trunks Bordare]

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

Am I the only one who felt something go horribly wrong when Hackett says, "Shepard, the Crucible isn't firing"?

Not just you...  Although I had entertained the idea that Shepard sacrificed him/herself as a sort of power source so it could fire or something...  Made more sense in my head than it did typing it down.  <_<

No no.  You're right.  I thought one possible outcome is that Shepard IS the catalyst and that s/he was needed to fire it.

[xDarkspace]

xDarkspace wrote...

Destruction - is the same thing as being a reaper, synthetics destroy organics but if you pick destroy option its the same thing organics destroy synthetics.

Synthesis - is making synthetics & organics equal

Control - is ****ing around with **** that you shouldent because its a bad ****ing idea

but in the end everybody is ****ed so it does not matter lol thats the problam.

but why would you trust the lord of reapers

[Deltateam Elcor]

GSS115 wrote...

I think we are makeing progress towards a better ending.  Please sign up if you havn't already:
Facebook group
Numbers in the freemarket count.

Lol, free advertising for bioware, this ploy really is a win for them.

[J5550123]

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

Am I the only one who felt something go horribly wrong when Hackett says, "Shepard, the Crucible isn't firing"?

Not just you...  Although I had entertained the idea that Shepard sacrificed him/herself as a sort of power source so it could fire or something...  Made more sense in my head than it did typing it down.  <_<

No no.  You're right.  I thought one possible outcome is that Shepard IS the catalyst and that s/he was needed to fire it.

That was my first guess. I really hope Bioware listens and gives us a Disney happy ending with our lovei nterest. Lol.

[Puppet_Guy]

J5550123 wrote...

Trunks Bordare wrote...

Puppet_Guy wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

Am I the only one who felt something go horribly wrong when Hackett says, "Shepard, the Crucible isn't firing"?

Not just you...  Although I had entertained the idea that Shepard sacrificed him/herself as a sort of power source so it could fire or something...  Made more sense in my head than it did typing it down.  <_<

No no.  You're right.  I thought one possible outcome is that Shepard IS the catalyst and that s/he was needed to fire it.

That was my first guess. I really hope Bioware listens and gives us a Disney happy ending with our lovei nterest. Lol.

Honestly?  I could handle there NOT being a disney-esque ending...  Although I probably wouldn't complain.