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shimoyake wrote...

More preaching to the choir, but I feel like this is one of those rare times where not speaking my voice would be like denying a drowning man oxygen. If we don't speak up, well... Then we couldn't even say we tried.

For me, everything but the ending was perfect. Uniting the races. Losing dear friends along the way. Praying, at every turn, that it won't go wrong and you won't lose even more. I freaking LOVED that you could have Shepard start to show the burden of his/her role. Nightmares haunted by the voices of fallen friends. Guilt! My Shep was basically feeling that the loss of Thessia was her fault. It's a crazy notion, of course, and no one really blames the Commander for not being able to do the impossible, but Shepard is a true leader. It began to feel like a truly complete story. Love and happiness and stress built across three games and several years were coming together.

I didn't even hate the kid. For my Shep, that's everyone who cannot be saved. Everyone who sacrificed just so that Shepard could fight another day. Mordin. Thane. Legion. And the fact that The Illusive Man became a villain more than Harbinger? I was cool with that, too. TIM, to me, very easily represents what Shepard could have become. I still think it's quite possible that Shep was at least partially indoctrinated or affected by all that Reaper-related contact. TIM wanted to do what was right, more than anything. He was merely led astray and fed into darkness with power and the blind ambition that only HOPE can bring.

But frankly... We deserve the ability to choose. Mass Effect 3 was the best game I ever played. Period. Laughter, sadness, hope... The endings made them all pointless. Why can't my Paragon, guilt-ridden, War Hero use the alliances she has built between races and between organics and synthetics as proof that not all is lost? She has struggled too long. My heart marveled at the beautiful truth when Shepard hears Hackett say something is wrong. Why? Because, beaten and broken, alone and in agony, Shepard STILL thought of the mission first. "What do you need me to do?" I started sobbing right then. What a true hero. I even thought that I would be happy if the game ended right there. If Shep died on that platform... if she failed... Well, at least she died true to herself. At least she tried.

Why can't my secondary Shepard, a true renegade, refuse those three ending options given and simply use his sheer motivation to stop the Reapers to use the Crucible as it was intended: as a weapon? A horrifying weapon with unthinkable consequences, true, but Victory at All Costs!

The option to finally be at rest with your LI should be there. The option to go out in a blaze of glory and take your enemies with you should be there. Otherwise... what was it all for? If you allow us to make so many choices, let them at least provide us with an alternative. After all, when did Shepard ever accept what he/she was dealt? Shepard is a hero. Shepard always finds a way.

Tl;DR - My point is, the rest of the game was beautiful. We just want it to actually mean something when it comes to how it all ends.


If you were in front of me I would give you a standing ovation.

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Warhawk7137 wrote...

Anyway, I don't think I can count myself in either the pro- or anti- ending camps. The pro-ending camp is a bit deluded, and the anti-ending camp is a bit extreme.

I really do think there's a great ending in there somewhere, but it was just fumbled.

So... fan of the concept, not of the execution.


Not everyone is being extreme. Lots of us still love the game, not the ending.

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B33ker wrote...
Mordin should have written the endings, at least he wouldn't have gotten it wrong. 


And even if he didt, at least he'd die trying...

I made the mistake of staying up all night playing the game. I went to sleep for an hour or two and had a dream that was pseudo-nightmarish. I woke up feeling pretty good about myself, then I remembered ME3 happened and felt lousy for the rest of the day.

So there we have it, the ending of ME3 is worse than a bad dream.

Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 11 mars 2012 - 07:10 .


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Warhawk7137 wrote...

Anyway, I don't think I can count myself in either the pro- or anti- ending camps. The pro-ending camp is a bit deluded, and the anti-ending camp is a bit extreme.

I really do think there's a great ending in there somewhere, but it was just fumbled.

So... fan of the concept, not of the execution.


Really though, whether or not anyone individually liked any of the provided endings is irrelevant. What we want more than anything else are OPTIONS. Sure, you want some depressing galactic dark age sacrifice.. you should be able to get that. But tons of fans wanted this so-called "Disney" ending. Tons of us wanted an evil side-with-the-Reapers option. Tons of us wanted a sacrifice ending with more optimism that doesn't destroy galactic civilization. More than anything, I think EVERYONE wanted an ending that gave us closure. We got none. What happens to anyone after Shepard makes his decision? We have to guess. And that hurts.

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TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

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THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

This needs to be said, so may people on these forums have taken these endings way too much to heart. Cheated? Betrayed? Depressed? People it's one game, and one franchise your whole life doesn't end because the ending don't live up to your expectations . No they weren't that great, but I have seen much worse endings to a franchise that were much worse.

Like everything else on the internet people have pulled their dissatisfaction to unreasonable levels. Get over it and move on.


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Beat me to it.


I tried to beat you to the punch ;)
This is all coming from a guy who only has ME3 registered, Probably his only ME game. (Even more likely his only Bioware game)


That makes sense, investing from the begining makes it so much more meaningful.

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I'm starting to think these aren't the real endings and Bioware hasn't given them to us or hasn't made them for us yet. Or maybe they just want to leave it where it is, but this makes alot of sense.

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ok i dont know if someone said this but heres my take:

Yes it is a indoctrinated dream via harbinger.

-During
the TIM talk at the control panel you hear reapers roaring here and
there and specifically when TIM FORCES your body or will to do
something i.e. shoot Anderson.. Harbinger is using TIM as a avatar in
the indoctrinated dream. using his roars to subvert you. -- explains
the multiple voices as well.

- If you notice while walking up the
ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the
right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and
backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong,
its not REAL. I.e. The right thing in your mind to do is represented
as "WRONG" in this ending (dream) --- You get a renegade option (RED) to
shoot TIM to save anderson?? really? im sorry thats paragon.. but see..
its indoctrination-- its making you think its WRONG to shoot TIM to
save anderson.
-At the end the (control reapers) area is blue lit
(correct me if im wrong) the middle is white light.. walking towards
the light.. metaphorical your accepting fate--accepting the idea that
Organics will become 1 with synthetics (isnt that what reapers are doing
anyways?) -- the RIGHT side is painted red (renegade) Destroy
synthetics... but its the RIGHT thing to do.. Mass effect 1 through 3
is all about DESTROYING the reapers... harbinger wants you to think
its a wrong thing to do...

the "secret" ending: you wake up in a
pile of concrete (its been said before) -- citadel obviously wasn't
concrete -- you fought and broke your will against harbinger/reapers
as in your dream you pick yourself up your standing two hands on your
gun not even acting injured as you destroy the one thing that will bring
about the downfall to the reapers (opposite of what they want.. so you
broke their WILL against you)



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TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

This needs to be said, so may people on these forums have taken these endings way too much to heart. Cheated? Betrayed? Depressed? People it's one game, and one franchise your whole life doesn't end because the ending don't live up to your expectations . No they weren't that great, but I have seen much worse endings to a franchise that were much worse.

Like everything else on the internet people have pulled their dissatisfaction to unreasonable levels. Get over it and move on.


-snip-


Beat me to it.


I tried to beat you to the punch ;)
This is all coming from a guy who only has ME3 registered, Probably his only ME game. (Even more likely his only Bioware game)


It is just a game...  Really
I have played all 3... 
3rd > 1st > 2nd

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I had my Tali LI and it was all taken away from me in one fell swoop. I'm not even mad. I'm just sad. Downright sad.

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I know I'm not saying what hasn't already been said, but I've this series since the first game and this has ruined that for me. Never been this torn up over a crap ending.

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Rob8228 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

This needs to be said, so may people on these forums have taken these endings way too much to heart. Cheated? Betrayed? Depressed? People it's one game, and one franchise your whole life doesn't end because the ending don't live up to your expectations . No they weren't that great, but I have seen much worse endings to a franchise that were much worse.

Like everything else on the internet people have pulled their dissatisfaction to unreasonable levels. Get over it and move on.


-snip-


Beat me to it.


I tried to beat you to the punch ;)
This is all coming from a guy who only has ME3 registered, Probably his only ME game. (Even more likely his only Bioware game)


That makes sense, investing from the begining makes it so much more meaningful.


I only have Mass Effect 3 registered, but I've played, own, and beaten every game multiple times except for 3. I only beat 3 once and then went here to try to get new endings so I can beat it again.

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Abram730 wrote...


It is just a game...  Really
I have played all 3... 
3rd > 1st > 2nd


Cool. What do you hold passion for? Movies? They're just a bunch of pictures played in rapid succession. Books? They're just a bunch of ink on paper telling a story some random guy made up that never happened. Music? They're just a bunch of noises put together that don't affect your life.

We can keep doing this all the way to home base. Do you love your friends or family? They're just temporary survival machines used to protect and pass on their genes. Everything in the world can be summarized as "just" something. Again, we don't choose to react this way, we just do.

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yeah i only have mass effect 3 registered... because i have the other 2 on steam -.-
And yes i am a player who does everything before the final mission. Did it in me 3 forr nothing aswell which got me nothing and the end *sigh*
I havent done mp because mass effect has always been a single player  and playing the mp just for the 'secret ending' is just retarded when have full green bar. Should get it anyway

really bummed at all this and i expect bw just going to ignore it 'because its how we want it' zzz

Modifié par lavacaverns, 11 mars 2012 - 07:22 .


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I came to bring hope... Many people aren't realizing that if you meet the requirements to get the ending where Shepherd lives (destroy the reapers=break indoctrination) he wakes up ON EARTH... thus leaving a hint that the "true" ending is on its way.

shameless money grab but at least there's hope for a quality ending.

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lavacaverns wrote...

yeah i have mass effect 3 registered... because i have the other 2 on steam -.-
really bummed at all this and i expect bw just going to ignore it 'because its how we want it' zzz


I doubt they'll ignore it, and if they do a lot of people won't buy from them again. Depressing, but if Bioware doesn't respect it's fans then what's the point?

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J5550123 wrote...

I only have Mass Effect 3 registered, but I've played, own, and beaten every game multiple times except for 3. I only beat 3 once and then went here to try to get new endings so I can beat it again.


Same for me, I have many BW games, only registered this one. This might be my last BW game, if they don't fix this mess though.

EDIT: I want to point out, that I have no anger with Bioware yet. This is a mistake, and mistakes happen. They obviously put a ton of effort into it. Everything in all three games was magnificent, except for the ending.

With that said, I admire when people or companies own up to their mistakes, and fix them. So, do that BW, you messed up, fix it. 

Modifié par Rob8228, 11 mars 2012 - 07:20 .


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Think if Tolkien instead wrote the ending of Return of the King like this:
At the battle of the Black Gates. Frodo destroys the ring, but when Mount Doom exploded it killed everyone.
This is kind of like what happened here. ME3 had to potential to have a crazy good ending, but BW just... screwed up.

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Rob8228 wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

I only have Mass Effect 3 registered, but I've played, own, and beaten every game multiple times except for 3. I only beat 3 once and then went here to try to get new endings so I can beat it again.


Same for me, I have many BW games, only registered this one. This might be my last BW game, if they don't fix this mess though.


Yeah, I own Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, and all the Mass Effect games. I've owned Mass Effect three times, Mass Effect 2 twice, and I got Mass Effect 3 at midnight. So I love the series and Bioware, I just don't want them to turn their backs on us after all this. We should get the endings we deserve. :)

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I know that my words will not affect anyone in such a huge post but I have to answer all three camps of fans:

1. For those who think it's a mature ending and there should not be waterfalls and unicorns(3%)
-at least 80% of "kids" want such an option. We have already made enough sacrifices like Mordin/Thane/Grunt's squad/Citadel population to deserve a chance. We have no chance. We had no choice. We have no hope during first two games anymore. You do not have to loose your selfdestructing mature endings but paragons need paragon's path.
2. For those who think we just need an explanation(11%)
-we do for sure. But it doesn't change the fact that people are not satisfied by choices. We need both adding firewalking and loosing endings. We need both explanation and influence of our own decisions upon the result.
3. For those who are angry about endings(86%)
-Mass Effect 3 would be the best game in this world if was not screwed up by endings. We have to respect Bioware for an awesome work and beg them to fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it...fix it, fix it, fix it!. We should do our best to force them into giving us satisfying end of such an epic series in MATURE MANNER - we have no right to insult them. This ending is a crime, but they still can make it better.

Modifié par SonicAF, 11 mars 2012 - 07:21 .


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Everyone thought that if they worked hard enough, like having enough war assets and allies, there would be some relatively happy ending. And if our Shepard was screwing people left and right and contributed nothing to the war effort, then it wouldn't turn out so well.

I know Bioware thought they had a good ending in place but I'm sorry, most of the fans feel like they've been trolled.

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Rob8228 wrote...

Annaleah wrote...

I was considering starting a new game in ME3 but then I heard the romance music from the game via a link on tumblr... it made me remember all the beautiful romance scenes and how they all meant nothing in the end...
So I came back here.


Anytime I even think about turning my xbox on I can't bring myself to play. I feel your pain.

Glad I'm not alone. The romance scenes, Ashley's final goodbye to a Shepard that romanced her, and her tear-laced confession that she "doesn't want him to go" before she kisses him for ultimately the last time tugged at my heart strings and strengthened my hope. The reflection on this after I witnessed the "ending" broke my heart and shattered my hopes for the entire series. Replayability, as it is, is just not possible... too much pain. Everything was ultimately for nothing...

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Well I just finished the game finally, completing every possible side quest, uniting the quarian and the geth, curing the genophage, perfect ending with over 5000 military strength. I am one of the people who come on this thread around the release day and told people to calm down, its just a game, its bioware's right to end the story how they want blah blah blah. Of course, I was right about all that, but having actually experienced the ending myself, I will now gladly jump on the disappointed with ending bandwagon.

I think some of you are taking it to far, I mean come on it really is just a game. . . you have a real life right? I don't really care if shepard and every single character we have come to know had to die to stop the reapers, I can accept sacrifice, if it actually accomplishes something. That is the problem, I went through so much trouble to make sure the quarians and geth made peace, only to destroy the geth simply because the weird ghost kid asked me to? Or turn all life into cyborgs? wtf? Or sacrifice shepard to pull the reapers back, while also destroying the mass relays and presumably the solars systems they are located in too. What did the sacrifice accomplish?

I felt like I was surrendering to the reapers no matter which option I took. My main problem isnt that the ending was unhappy, again i dont care if shepard and his LI lives happily ever after, its just that the endings were all so similar and all left me feeling hollow like everything I did was for nothing.

I guess if you choose destroy ending, at least shepard and his crew live, and the reaper cycle is ended. I could have even accepted the relays being destroyed as the cost, as long as they didnt destroy entire systems like the batarian relay did in ME2. However, destroying the geth and EDI, with absolutely no cutscene or anything, again just left me feeling like wow not only did I do all that work for nothing, but I didnt even get an emotional cutscene of edi and the geth dying.

Well, I am joining the club, lets just not take it so seriously that we are directing hate at EA/BIoware guys. If you really want better ending DLC be nice it will accomplish more.

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J5550123 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

I only have Mass Effect 3 registered, but I've played, own, and beaten every game multiple times except for 3. I only beat 3 once and then went here to try to get new endings so I can beat it again.


Same for me, I have many BW games, only registered this one. This might be my last BW game, if they don't fix this mess though.


Yeah, I own Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, and all the Mass Effect games. I've owned Mass Effect three times, Mass Effect 2 twice, and I got Mass Effect 3 at midnight. So I love the series and Bioware, I just don't want them to turn their backs on us after all this. We should get the endings we deserve. :)


Exactly, we are on the same page. Pretty much everyone here is, which is really great. Everyone united just like the game. 

I will however, never deal with BW again if we don't get a fix.

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Tali was my LI.. she committed suicide.. took off her mask and jumped to her death.

You can't win them all... lol

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Abram730 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

This needs to be said, so may people on these forums have taken these endings way too much to heart. Cheated? Betrayed? Depressed? People it's one game, and one franchise your whole life doesn't end because the ending don't live up to your expectations . No they weren't that great, but I have seen much worse endings to a franchise that were much worse.

Like everything else on the internet people have pulled their dissatisfaction to unreasonable levels. Get over it and move on.


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Beat me to it.


I tried to beat you to the punch ;)
This is all coming from a guy who only has ME3 registered, Probably his only ME game. (Even more likely his only Bioware game)


It is just a game...  Really
I have played all 3... 
3rd > 1st > 2nd


You are obviously in the wrong place then sir.

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J5550123 wrote...

lavacaverns wrote...

yeah i have mass effect 3 registered... because i have the other 2 on steam -.-
really bummed at all this and i expect bw just going to ignore it 'because its how we want it' zzz


I doubt they'll ignore it, and if they do a lot of people won't buy from them again. Depressing, but if Bioware doesn't respect it's fans then what's the point?


If they ignore it.. theyll lose a ton of loyal customers. The Game revolves around the customer not the company. If the customer doesnt like how the game is... the company loses money... Then the company must adapt and rethink their train of thought and revise to gain back those customers+more