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[infinitekilan]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I'm starting to think these aren't the real endings and Bioware hasn't given them to us or hasn't made them for us yet. Or maybe they just want to leave it where it is, but this makes alot of sense.

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ok i dont know if someone said this but heres my take:

Yes it is a indoctrinated dream via harbinger.

-During
the TIM talk at the control panel you hear reapers roaring here and
there and specifically when TIM FORCES your body or will to do
something i.e. shoot Anderson.. Harbinger is using TIM as a avatar in
the indoctrinated dream. using his roars to subvert you. -- explains
the multiple voices as well.

- If you notice while walking up the
ramp to get to the control panel on the left side it says 1M1..on the
right it says 1M1 but its backwards- the 1's are completely mirrored and
backwards. Logic: in this dream: whats RIGHT is skewed, its wrong,
its not REAL. I.e. The right thing in your mind to do is represented
as "WRONG" in this ending (dream) --- You get a renegade option (RED) to
shoot TIM to save anderson?? really? im sorry thats paragon.. but see..
its indoctrination-- its making you think its WRONG to shoot TIM to
save anderson.
-At the end the (control reapers) area is blue lit
(correct me if im wrong) the middle is white light.. walking towards
the light.. metaphorical your accepting fate--accepting the idea that
Organics will become 1 with synthetics (isnt that what reapers are doing
anyways?) -- the RIGHT side is painted red (renegade) Destroy
synthetics... but its the RIGHT thing to do.. Mass effect 1 through 3
is all about DESTROYING the reapers... harbinger wants you to think
its a wrong thing to do...

the "secret" ending: you wake up in a
pile of concrete (its been said before) -- citadel obviously wasn't
concrete -- you fought and broke your will against harbinger/reapers
as in your dream you pick yourself up your standing two hands on your
gun not even acting injured as you destroy the one thing that will bring
about the downfall to the reapers (opposite of what they want.. so you
broke their WILL against you)

This right here. This has motivated me to plug the game back in. The mirror imaging is what sold me.  Must...confirm...

[Kloborgg711]

Abram730 wrote...
Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

Yeah, because we've spent the last 700 pages saying the ending sucks just because it's sad.
/s

[J5550123]

Abram730 wrote...

Illabean wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

It is just a game...  Really
I have played all 3... 
3rd > 1st > 2nd

Yes, this is just a game. It is the product we bought for entertainment. And we damn well deserve satisfaction from it. And when you get such a crappy ending after a long playthrough, it ruins all the fun. Its like being kicked in the crotch right before orgasm. 

So i think that fans deserve a normal ending patch, not DLC. The current finale of the game is like a bug. Having it corrected is a right, not a privilege.

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

That was a movie, this is a game. That had a script with one ending, this was supposed to have multiple endings and lots of choices. So...Old Yeller doesn't need a fix, Mass Effect 3 does.

[snekadid]

Abram730 wrote...

Shepard died in the charge... It was all a dream after that. The "Guardian" being the boy in his dreams was the dead giveaway.

Now does the end make sense to you?

I hope your right, because the alternative is that Bioware thinks this is an acceptable way to end games. It isnt, there is no ryhme nor reason for this other then laziness or malicious intent. The ending style reeks of assassin creed, where they took a interesting and even with the orb wasnt too weird. and then at the end of 2 threw away everything the game was about to essentialy make everyone upset. 

This isnt just the ending to 1 video game as has been said, this is the ending to a triology that was almost entirly powered on its story. its as if Lord of the rings at the end of the third book instead of the ring being destroyed and such, frodo was suddenly picked up by giant robot mantis's and told about the evils of genetic engineering. It doesnt fit, it doesn't work and it means you spent 3 games making these characters into people, espousing the importance of the family the normandy is, and then pissing all over everything at the close. This amounts to trolling on a grand scale, and if quality like this and DA2 is what i can expect from BW now, i don't know if i can support their games any more. 

I spent the whole game enjoying it, the character growth was great and i was really looking forward to doing an immediate second play through on my Vanguard, just like i did for 1 and 2. Now i cant bring myself to play it again because I know that no matter what i do im going to get slapped at the end. It has to be a dream sequence, because i expected shepard to die, but there wasnt any feeling to it when he did, the fact your crew even existed after the laser blast is only refrenced in that crap crash vid where no one seems at all perterbed by the fact their best friend/lover just got atomized. If this is seriously all we get after playing 3 games and letting us shape the galaxy, then **** you bioware for making us give a damn about characters you obviously couldn't be assed to notice.

[Warhawk7137]

J5550123 wrote...

Warhawk7137 wrote...

Anyway, I don't think I can count myself in either the pro- or anti- ending camps. The pro-ending camp is a bit deluded, and the anti-ending camp is a bit extreme.

I really do think there's a great ending in there somewhere, but it was just fumbled.

So... fan of the concept, not of the execution.

Not everyone is being extreme. Lots of us still love the game, not the ending.

Well, it's not a small percentage.

In any case, when I say "extreme" I don't mean really really didn't like the ending; what I mean is, some people are extrapolating too far.with the doom & gloom implications for the galaxy and, by extension, the IP.  I can think of a number of perfectly good ways to write your way through to a fourth game without retconning anything or setting it thousands of years in the future, and doing so via already established lore.  Now, sure, that's speculation to a point, but at least I have lore to back it up, while a lot of people doing the internet equivalent of standing on a street corner wearing a cardboard sign and proclaiming the end of the world are deliberately ignoring a thing or two with regards to the lore (and I can't tell you how many things people have just plain made up about the endings, which didn't actually happen in the endings, just to try to make them seem worse than they are).

The endings are MUCH more "ambiguous" than "disasterous."  People running around this forum maintaining that they know precisely what each element of the endings mean, and exactly what the implications of the endings are, are kidding themselves.  I.E., there are a number of perfectly plausible explanations for the epilogue.  I mean, here's the list of the things we know for sure about that epilogue:

1. It's not on earth.
2. The people there aren't spacefaring.
3. The people there know Shepard's story.

That's pretty much it.  Hell, we don't technically know if they're human - we just see two silhouettes.  Two arms and two legs, so I guess they're not Rachni, but that's not a hell of a lot to go on.  We don't know if it's the planet the Normandy landed on - there are a couple similarities, but more than enough differences to cause doubt.  We don't know when it takes place.  So, as a result, any number of explanations are plausible.  There's the ever-popular "Normandy crew's descendents" idea.  There's the "Liara's time capsules" theory.  Hell, it works fine with the dying dream intepretation of the ending too - Reapers won, next cyle is underway.  And, hey, it could be something that BioWare just pulled out of their asses with no explanation whatsoever.

All I'm saying is that I don't think the problem with the endings is so much their mood or variety, as much as it is their ambiguity.  But, like I said, you could write your way on to a sequel in a heartbeat.  I know a couple things abobut writing - I was a creative writing major in college and I'm working on a science fiction novel (well, trilogy really), and it's absolutely possible to move on from this ending.

In point of fact, I would submit that the lack of variety might even suggest that BioWare has an idea in mind, simply because in a couple ways it seems like they were trying to establish a few things as canon by forcing a few plot points, and there's little reason to do that outside of wanting to pick up the story sometime later in the timeline.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts.  Like I said, I'm mostly just perplexed.  And curious to see where things might go from here.

[DifferentD17]

primalgoose wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

If Bioware answers us saying "Don't worry fans, we have new happier endings on the way soon. Be patient." Then the entire forum will erupt with cheers and praise for Bioware. If they say "Sorry, but we like the ending, so deal with it." Then I'm sure they'll lose lots and lots of fans and money.

Without a doubt.

How much do you think they would lose on potential DLC if they didnt fix it?

Seriously, I was planning on buying any story related DLC, but now there is no point. If 1 million people don't buy it just because they don't care anymore they might've lost $10 million. Just saying... I know my math it probably off to some degree.

[lavacaverns]

*cough* masseffect twitter: Sacrifices must be made for the good of the galaxy :|.

well that sums it all up dont it :|

[Abram730]

sumo390 wrote...

I hope they make a Broken Steel style DLC just so we can have a proper happy ending of our journey over these past few years.

Broken Steal, broke FO3.. The ending had a point and that point was removed.

[Omega Scythe]

I'm starting to theorize that the reason Bioware is saying absolutely nothing (besides general corporate policy) is that they are well aware of how insanely careful they must be with this issue. Word of mouth on the Internet is incredibly powerful; if there's this many people complaining here, imagine how much word is spreading to those elsewhere. I can honestly imagine employees at Bioware reading some of the posts on here and just going white as a sheet. How would you like to be part of the company who had their flagship series send people into fits of actual grieving? Honestly, some of the reactions would be right at home as if we'd lost family members.

If they screw this up, they risk VERY bad publicity, not to mention how sales of DLC will suffer. I don't expect to hear a thing until Monday at the very earliest.

[Tony208]

J5550123 wrote...

primalgoose wrote...

J5550123 wrote...

If Bioware answers us saying "Don't worry fans, we have new happier endings on the way soon. Be patient." Then the entire forum will erupt with cheers and praise for Bioware. If they say "Sorry, but we like the ending, so deal with it." Then I'm sure they'll lose lots and lots of fans and money.

Without a doubt.

How much do you think they would lose on potential DLC if they didnt fix it?

Lots of $. They said they have an extensive DLC plan, but if nobody wants to replay the game due to the endings, then no one will buy their DLC. So they're screwed if they ignore the fans.

Agreed, the loyal fan is the one most likely to buy the DLC, not the casual gamer. Hell, I have every single Dragon Age and Mass Effect series DLC including collector's edition and even some of the expensive promotional ones where you have to buy memorabilia. Also bought useless ones like character skins just because I wanted to support Bioware. BSN is full of the former.

Modifié par Tony208, 11 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[Medic Amalia]

Hello all.

I'll just start by saying this is my first time posting on the Bioware forums. I'm not a very social person so I'm content to simply read other people's thoughts and leave it at that.

However, I wish to add my voice to everyone else who is disappointed with the ending we recieved. Other people in the thread have put this into better words, but I'd like to add my own thoughts in the hope that it eases some of the bitterness I'm left with after the finale. It's been well over a day since I finished, and I actually feel worse as it has sunk in. When playing my main Shepard, I couldn't wait to import some of my others once I was done. Now I don't really even want to look at the game at all.

Bioware games have always held a special place in my heart because of the companions they create for you to share your journey with. I enjoyed all the companions you had through out the series, each for different reasons. Through Shepard, I've been with them for years, learning about them and sharing laughter and loss. I felt more invested in the story because of them. I wanted to fight for them to have a future.

And Shepard did fight. I went through both games mutiple times, and chose the options I felt my Shepard would make when the people she cares about and all galactic life are on the line. She inspired hope in them, as well as me, that we would see this through together. I agree wholeheartedly with the people who think Shepard and her crew deserved better than what they got. All three games gave Shepard the ability to fight, tooth and nail, against what was supposedly an inevitable outcome. Only to have it all ripped away in the end as Shepard apparently loses the will to argue with the questionable logic of the child.

After finishing the game it all seems pointless. Nothing I did made any difference in the outcomes. All the promises and talks leave me feeling hollow because I know they don't change anything in the end.

Which is all the more upsetting because I loved the game up until that point. I felt so connected to what Shepard felt between the stress and exhaustion of fighting almost nonstop for years against such overwhelming odds and the hope and determination that drive her to continue fighting anyway. The scenes at the end in London where Shepard said goodbye to her crew, especially Garrus (who was my main Shepard's love interest), actually caused me to cry. Something no game has ever been able to do before. I loved that it was my choice that had helped to build that connection between them and everyone else Shepard cared for.

I wasn't expecting a sunshine and bunnies ending. Though it would have been nice to have the option if you worked for it. With everything that Shepard and her crew have been through, I think they have more than earned it. But to get almost no choice at all beyond three different colors of light, and almost no closure for anything (especially your love interest and crew), hurts more than a little.

If Bioware decides to change nothing, I may go with the hallucination theory and make up my own ending like many others here. I love this series, but my main Shepard would never simply roll over when she had managed to pull the galaxy together against this threat and was so close to finally ending it. Especially after all she had sacrificed and been through just to be there.


Anyway, sorry for the rambling post. I've had very little food or sleep over the past couple of days. It's probably a good thing I don't post much.

Keep up the fight all. I'll check back tomorrow.

[J5550123]

Medic Amalia wrote...

Hello all.

I'll just start by saying this is my first time posting on the Bioware forums. I'm not a very social person so I'm content to simply read other people's thoughts and leave it at that.

However, I wish to add my voice to everyone else who is disappointed with the ending we recieved. Other people in the thread have put this into better words, but I'd like to add my own thoughts in the hope that it eases some of the bitterness I'm left with after the finale. It's been well over a day since I finished, and I actually feel worse as it has sunk in. When playing my main Shepard, I couldn't wait to import some of my others once I was done. Now I don't really even want to look at the game at all.

Bioware games have always held a special place in my heart because of the companions they create for you to share your journey with. I enjoyed all the companions you had through out the series, each for different reasons. Through Shepard, I've been with them for years, learning about them and sharing laughter and loss. I felt more invested in the story because of them. I wanted to fight for them to have a future.

And Shepard did fight. I went through both games mutiple times, and chose the options I felt my Shepard would make when the people she cares about and all galactic life are on the line. She inspired hope in them, as well as me, that we would see this through together. I agree wholeheartedly with the people who think Shepard and her crew deserved better than what they got. All three games gave Shepard the ability to fight, tooth and nail, against what was supposedly an inevitable outcome. Only to have it all ripped away in the end as Shepard apparently loses the will to argue with the questionable logic of the child.

After finishing the game it all seems pointless. Nothing I did made any difference in the outcomes. All the promises and talks leave me feeling hollow because I know they don't change anything in the end.

Which is all the more upsetting because I loved the game up until that point. I felt so connected to what Shepard felt between the stress and exhaustion of fighting almost nonstop for years against such overwhelming odds and the hope and determination that drive her to continue fighting anyway. The scenes at the end in London where Shepard said goodbye to her crew, especially Garrus (who was my main Shepard's love interest), actually caused me to cry. Something no game has ever been able to do before. I loved that it was my choice that had helped to build that connection between them and everyone else Shepard cared for.

I wasn't expecting a sunshine and bunnies ending. Though it would have been nice to have the option if you worked for it. With everything that Shepard and her crew have been through, I think they have more than earned it. But to get almost no choice at all beyond three different colors of light, and almost no closure for anything (especially your love interest and crew), hurts more than a little.

If Bioware decides to change nothing, I may go with the hallucination theory and make up my own ending like many others here. I love this series, but my main Shepard would never simply roll over when she had managed to pull the galaxy together against this threat and was so close to finally ending it. Especially after all she had sacrificed and been through just to be there.


Anyway, sorry for the rambling post. I've had very little food or sleep over the past couple of days. It's probably a good thing I don't post much.

Keep up the fight all. I'll check back tomorrow.

Thanks for posting, welcome to the forum. We'll see you tomorrow. Oh, and be sure to vote.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/

Modifié par J5550123, 11 mars 2012 - 07:41 .

[OchreJelly]

Based on certain things in this thread I can't help but wonder if in a week there will be an announcement that it was all a test, crazy marketing, fake, insane DRM, or what have you. Highly doubt it however.

Conspiracy Theory: The PC version has two dvds and the zip archives on each disc combine to be about 14gb, but the game is 9gb installed. Factoring in components of the Ashes DLC (ME2 had bits of Kasumi and Zaeed in the normal installation) there's 3gb that seem to be mysteriously missing.

Half-expecting a "Please insert disc two to play ME3: Non-Trollface Ending" message to pop up, if only I could choke back the bile forming when I think about launching the game.

EDIT: Was wrong about that, the difference is localization components that aren't installed. \\o/

Modifié par OchreJelly, 11 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[Kloborgg711]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

snip

Actually, the fact that it is so ambiguous is what makes me hate it even more. Not only do they force us into different colors of doom, they force to imagine for ourselves what that doom ends up being. Without very much assumption, you can pretty well reason that the Quarians will never get the chance to live on the planet they spent centuries getting back. Instead of showing that, the game makes us realize that ourselves. And honestly, that hurts even more.

[Rob8228]

Abram730 wrote...

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

We shape this character from begining to end. Who s/he is and what s/he stands for. We develop our own story based on our choices. The ending, not so grand finale, was not based on choices. We all have the same result, a poor one at that. 

We purchased this product under the impression we can get many different results, we did not get that. We got a 180 in the last fifteen minutes. The comparison you have made is ridiculous.

[blackflamerose]

::sigh:: I've known about the endings since the second major leak, and this is STILL depressing me. who knew, huh? I'm going to finish the game, I'm going to be sad for quite a while, and I'm going to wish that BioWare realizes the PR disaster that this is. ::shrug:: Ah, well. I've still got modding.

[J5550123]

Rob8228 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

We shape this character from begining to end. Who s/he is and what s/he stands for. We develop our own story based on our choices. The ending, not so grand finale, was not based on choices. We all have the same result, a poor one at that. 

We purchased this product under the impression we can get many different results, we did not get that. We got a 180 in the last fifteen minutes. The comparison you have made is ridiculous.

Lol, nice Billy Madison clip.

[SonicAF]

Abram730 wrote...

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

Mass Effect is not a movie about dog. It's a game about guy that survived suicide mission and united entire galaxy later. And this game has one single possible ending that leaves no hope. Everything he has done was pointless.

Modifié par SonicAF, 11 mars 2012 - 07:43 .

[Aztlanna]

Well, I would be super relieved if the hallucination / indoctrination theory is accurate. I'd rather have Shep trippin' balls than for that crazy stuff to be real. Maybe the crew flying off is representative of abandonment issues. Obviously the Commander felt left behind in ME2. /endpsychoanalysis

[Sl4sh3r]

Medic Amalia wrote...

Hello all.

I'll just start by saying this is my first time posting on the Bioware forums. I'm not a very social person so I'm content to simply read other people's thoughts and leave it at that.

However, I wish to add my voice to everyone else who is disappointed with the ending we recieved. Other people in the thread have put this into better words, but I'd like to add my own thoughts in the hope that it eases some of the bitterness I'm left with after the finale. It's been well over a day since I finished, and I actually feel worse as it has sunk in. When playing my main Shepard, I couldn't wait to import some of my others once I was done. Now I don't really even want to look at the game at all.

Bioware games have always held a special place in my heart because of the companions they create for you to share your journey with. I enjoyed all the companions you had through out the series, each for different reasons. Through Shepard, I've been with them for years, learning about them and sharing laughter and loss. I felt more invested in the story because of them. I wanted to fight for them to have a future.

And Shepard did fight. I went through both games mutiple times, and chose the options I felt my Shepard would make when the people she cares about and all galactic life are on the line. She inspired hope in them, as well as me, that we would see this through together. I agree wholeheartedly with the people who think Shepard and her crew deserved better than what they got. All three games gave Shepard the ability to fight, tooth and nail, against what was supposedly an inevitable outcome. Only to have it all ripped away in the end as Shepard apparently loses the will to argue with the questionable logic of the child.

After finishing the game it all seems pointless. Nothing I did made any difference in the outcomes. All the promises and talks leave me feeling hollow because I know they don't change anything in the end.

Which is all the more upsetting because I loved the game up until that point. I felt so connected to what Shepard felt between the stress and exhaustion of fighting almost nonstop for years against such overwhelming odds and the hope and determination that drive her to continue fighting anyway. The scenes at the end in London where Shepard said goodbye to her crew, especially Garrus (who was my main Shepard's love interest), actually caused me to cry. Something no game has ever been able to do before. I loved that it was my choice that had helped to build that connection between them and everyone else Shepard cared for.

I wasn't expecting a sunshine and bunnies ending. Though it would have been nice to have the option if you worked for it. With everything that Shepard and her crew have been through, I think they have more than earned it. But to get almost no choice at all beyond three different colors of light, and almost no closure for anything (especially your love interest and crew), hurts more than a little.

If Bioware decides to change nothing, I may go with the hallucination theory and make up my own ending like many others here. I love this series, but my main Shepard would never simply roll over when she had managed to pull the galaxy together against this threat and was so close to finally ending it. Especially after all she had sacrificed and been through just to be there.


Anyway, sorry for the rambling post. I've had very little food or sleep over the past couple of days. It's probably a good thing I don't post much.

Keep up the fight all. I'll check back tomorrow.

Thank you for joining the fight! We're all in this together!

[sergeym1990]

Abram730 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

I hope they make a Broken Steel style DLC just so we can have a proper happy ending of our journey over these past few years.

Broken Steal, broke FO3.. The ending had a point and that point was removed.

The problem is not the ending is sad. It just does not fit the game at all.Basically it boils done to

<Some sort of AI who Spepard sees for the first time> You got to kill yourself and/or galaxy to win.
<Shepard> OK.

Shepard was fighting against overhelming force for 3 years and now he gives up without any hesitation. 
Not to mention that all the choices we made during the series only affect readiness rating.

Modifié par sergeym1990, 11 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[lavacaverns]

really want to do a jay n silent bob treatment for all those congratulating the masseffect crew on a job well done on #masseffect zzz

[Abram730]

Anthonx wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

Illabean wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

It is just a game...  Really
I have played all 3... 
3rd > 1st > 2nd

Yes, this is just a game. It is the product we bought for entertainment. And we damn well deserve satisfaction from it. And when you get such a crappy ending after a long playthrough, it ruins all the fun. Its like being kicked in the crotch right before orgasm. 

So i think that fans deserve a normal ending patch, not DLC. The current finale of the game is like a bug. Having it corrected is a right, not a privilege.

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

Yea and we spent years saving that dogs a**

It's just a game, and a fun one at that.

[JerkyJohnny14]

After reading the whole hallucination theory, I feel a little better now. It does provide a plausible explanaition as to what happened to shepard. Some of the end just seemed off. Either I am actually feeling more confident about a real ending or it's just the indoctrination setting in remains to be seen.