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[SonicAF]

Abram730 wrote...

It's just a game, and a fun one at that.

It's not just a game. It's a universe.

By the way when Sherlock Holmes died Sir Arthur Conan Doyle had to ressurect him. Fans got mad. But why did they? He was just a fictional character. He does not exist. Who cares if he dies?

Modifié par SonicAF, 11 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[IndelibleJester]

I'm going to let myself be convinced that it was all an indoctrination sequence and Bioware needed more time for the endings to be completely satisfying. Yes.

[Silvren555]

Having finished the game yesterday, and starting to come out of the numbing shock I felt at the end, I'm starting to think it might not be the end.

I'm starting to think that Bioware could not make such a masterpiece of creative writing and finish it like that.

That the entire child sequence was in fact Shep fighting indoctrination, whether from the reapers or the illusive man I dont know, but that choosing to destroy the reapers, as has been Shepards single driving force since discovering them is the only choice in the end, and as that choice leaves you maybe alive in the smouldering London rubble also suggests that the final battle is not yet over.

Why would Bioware risk such an outrage by ending the game like this?

The only thing I can think is that they want as many people as possible to enjoy the real ending to the game, which resides firmly on their servers at the moment, without leaks, press or spoilers and that in 2-4 weeks, when the majority of purchasers have completed the game besides us power playing freaks, we will see the real ending.

I honestly do not believe anyone who could write such a monumentally moving and inspiring game, could possibly be satisfied with that ending, even the reaper like EA could not drive Bioware to destroy their most beloved game.

Why am I starting to think this, because like Shepard, I have hope for the future, the big house with the white picket fence and a child or two, after allm that is all thats left to us, hope.

[infinitekilan]

You know, if the hallucination/indoctrination theory proves accurate, you just KNOW Bioware is sitting back going "wait for it.... wait for it.... aaaand there it is."

[TheGoddess0fWar]

lavacaverns wrote...

*cough* masseffect twitter: Sacrifices must be made for the good of the galaxy :|.

well that sums it all up dont it :|

Nothing that happend in the end was for the good of the galaxy. Everyone stuck in the Sol system died and we were bombed back into the stone again. Great.

[Ticonderoga117]

So lemme get this straight, these endings are supposed to be good because everything after the conduit charge is a dream/hallucination? While that does make sense with the aforementioned points, where's the explanation on what happened back in the "real" world. Ya know, after that charge? We don't have ANY ending then and I don't know what's worse: endings whose logic for existing makes no sense compared to what I've done for the last 28 hours of my actual time, or we didn't get any ending on what was supposed to be a *COMPLETE* game?

TLDR: Endings still broke.

[deathscythe517]

Than why do you care if they change the ending or not? That argument of it being "just a game" can be used against you too. If you like it, go play it, we're trying to get more variation for the ending so the game doesn't feel like we're thrust from the universe into a world that keeps none of the original themes of points of Mass Effect. Another thing, it's not just a game, RPGs are one part gameplay and one part storyline - up until the ending it was alright, even good, but it jumped the bleeding shark the moment the Catalyst opened its mouth and Shepard did nothing to resist it.

[Aemony]

I hate the ending. It's just the latest of a long line of stupid and retarded design decisions from BioWare.

[Elios]

god lord 714 pages i dont see how Bioware can defend there choice of endings any more

[Rosery99]

I haven't posted much lately and I haven't updated my signature yet, I will though, Canadian's gotta stand up the most, Bioware started in our home town of Edmonton dammit, gotta show em that this kind of stuff isn't acceptable.

I wanted to say however that what I see is nothing short of miraculous and for those who come here and say were over-reacting and it's just a game and we should be ashamed and what not, to everyone here who is on the side of a GOOD solid ending that we as fans will love as much as we have loved games like Baldurs Gate two, to you I say ignore them! Ignore the trolls who want to turn this forum into a flame war, to disrupt our momentum and movement. The moment they do that, the moment major sites like IGN resume ignoring us, keep your will strong and remember what were after, not to argue or make a point to random people but to BIOWARE and there higher ups. I need sleep something fierce here but I will return to provide moral support and more opinions of my own on the ending soon, until then everyone keep it up, we are making progress and even a handful of voices can change the world. And we are far, far, far more than a handful and were only asking for a minor alteration, we can do this!

As someone said earlier:

Hold the Line!

[Rob8228]

J5550123 wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

Why not fix old yeller first.. The dog dies in that Movie... clearly it needs to be fixed.. It must be some sort of bug..  /s

We shape this character from begining to end. Who s/he is and what s/he stands for. We develop our own story based on our choices. The ending, not so grand finale, was not based on choices. We all have the same result, a poor one at that. 

We purchased this product under the impression we can get many different results, we did not get that. We got a 180 in the last fifteen minutes. The comparison you have made is ridiculous.

Lol, nice Billy Madison clip.

I felt it was appropriate.

[sumo390]

JerkyJohnny14 wrote...

After reading the whole hallucination theory, I feel a little better now. It does provide a plausible explanaition as to what happened to shepard. Some of the end just seemed off. Either I am actually feeling more confident about a real ending or it's just the indoctrination setting in remains to be seen.

I'm hoping for a hallucination/failed indoctrination story too, anything to provide actual closure to Shepard and company, not just random ghost kid who rules the reapers.

[J5550123]

Elios wrote...

god lord 714 pages i dont see how Bioware can defend there choice of endings any more

And the pages aren't done growing yet. Many more fans are coming here with anger to voice their opinions.

[Warhawk7137]

This is all just very logically incoherent.

It's not really an ending at all. It's a bloody Rorschach Test. With all these theories flying around, it just seems like any person's interpretation of the ending is more a reflection on his or her mental state than on any kind of actual in-universe reality.

[Aztlanna]

I do agree that it's best not to engage with people who arrive with the sole purpose of demanding justification of our desire for some kind of coherent finale.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw

[Copperbolt]

If the whole indoctrination thing is true, why do it like this, why let us rage and rant for days, I don't understand marketing, I freely admit that, but getting slapped in the face and then being told, "that for ten dollars I will take that slap back and give you a hug" I don't know it just seems stupid, no matter how good that hug might be I'm still going to punch the individual who slapped me, after I gave them money for five years and did nothing but love and support them, it better not have been planned, them toying with us seems worse than them being ignorant to how much their ending sucked

[JerkyJohnny14]

infinitekilan wrote...

You know, if the hallucination/indoctrination theory proves accurate, you just KNOW Bioware is sitting back going "wait for it.... wait for it.... aaaand there it is."

Part of me believes this. But, the other part asks "why would Bioware risk sabotaging their series like this? What would they gain?" I honestly don't know what to believe. But I bet we will have an answer in a few weeks as more people finish the game.

[snekadid]

Medic Amalia wrote...

Hello all.

I'll just start by saying this is my first time posting on the Bioware forums. I'm not a very social person so I'm content to simply read other people's thoughts and leave it at that.

However, I wish to add my voice to everyone else who is disappointed with the ending we recieved. Other people in the thread have put this into better words, but I'd like to add my own thoughts in the hope that it eases some of the bitterness I'm left with after the finale. It's been well over a day since I finished, and I actually feel worse as it has sunk in. When playing my main Shepard, I couldn't wait to import some of my others once I was done. Now I don't really even want to look at the game at all.

Bioware games have always held a special place in my heart because of the companions they create for you to share your journey with. I enjoyed all the companions you had through out the series, each for different reasons. Through Shepard, I've been with them for years, learning about them and sharing laughter and loss. I felt more invested in the story because of them. I wanted to fight for them to have a future.

And Shepard did fight. I went through both games mutiple times, and chose the options I felt my Shepard would make when the people she cares about and all galactic life are on the line. She inspired hope in them, as well as me, that we would see this through together. I agree wholeheartedly with the people who think Shepard and her crew deserved better than what they got. All three games gave Shepard the ability to fight, tooth and nail, against what was supposedly an inevitable outcome. Only to have it all ripped away in the end as Shepard apparently loses the will to argue with the questionable logic of the child.

After finishing the game it all seems pointless. Nothing I did made any difference in the outcomes. All the promises and talks leave me feeling hollow because I know they don't change anything in the end.

Which is all the more upsetting because I loved the game up until that point. I felt so connected to what Shepard felt between the stress and exhaustion of fighting almost nonstop for years against such overwhelming odds and the hope and determination that drive her to continue fighting anyway. The scenes at the end in London where Shepard said goodbye to her crew, especially Garrus (who was my main Shepard's love interest), actually caused me to cry. Something no game has ever been able to do before. I loved that it was my choice that had helped to build that connection between them and everyone else Shepard cared for.

I wasn't expecting a sunshine and bunnies ending. Though it would have been nice to have the option if you worked for it. With everything that Shepard and her crew have been through, I think they have more than earned it. But to get almost no choice at all beyond three different colors of light, and almost no closure for anything (especially your love interest and crew), hurts more than a little.

If Bioware decides to change nothing, I may go with the hallucination theory and make up my own ending like many others here. I love this series, but my main Shepard would never simply roll over when she had managed to pull the galaxy together against this threat and was so close to finally ending it. Especially after all she had sacrificed and been through just to be there.


Anyway, sorry for the rambling post. I've had very little food or sleep over the past couple of days. It's probably a good thing I don't post much.

Keep up the fight all. I'll check back tomorrow.

This exactly, well not the garrus sex but yea! I couldn't of put my feeling about this any better. Plus there wasn't even really a final boss fight, unless you count that maurader.... 7 tries because the pistol wouldn't  aim right. It feels like a bad dream and i hope ill wake up monday and BW will say it was.

[Tamcia]

My new theory.

BW = Reapers.

No matter how hard you try, the end will still have the same outcomes. Same in game, same in forums.

[Abram730]

sergeym1990 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

sumo390 wrote...

I hope they make a Broken Steel style DLC just so we can have a proper happy ending of our journey over these past few years.

Broken Steal, broke FO3.. The ending had a point and that point was removed.

The problem is not the ending is sad. It just does not fit the game at all.Basically it boils done to

<Some sort of AI who Spepard sees for the first time> You got to kill yourself and/or galaxy to win.
<Shepard> OK.

Shepard was fighting against overhelming force for 3 years and now he gives up without any hesitation. 
Not to mention that all the choices we made during the series only affect readiness rating.

That is because it never happened... It was just a dream.. The point of the dream sequences was for it to sink in.. He / she didn't finish the charge. 

or perhaps your choice determins if you die.. do you
a) go to the light = die
merge with the reapers = Indoctrination
c) destroy = live

They did say to keep the save game.

[Warhawk7137]

Copperbolt wrote...

If the whole indoctrination thing is true, why do it like this, why let us rage and rant for days, I don't understand marketing, I freely admit that, but getting slapped in the face and then being told, "that for ten dollars I will take that slap back and give you a hug" I don't know it just seems stupid, no matter how good that hug might be I'm still going to punch the individual who slapped me, after I gave them money for five years and did nothing but love and support them, it better not have been planned, them toying with us seems worse than them being ignorant to how much their ending sucked

TBH I think it's rather irrelevant, simply because they shouldn't need to "word of God" their way into a coherent interpretation of the ending.  I mean, a certain level of ambiguity is fine, but at the point where nobody here has a gorram clue what actually happened in the last 5 minutes, something went wrong somewhere along the line.

[Rob8228]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

This is all just very logically incoherent.

It's not really an ending at all. It's a bloody Rorschach Test. With all these theories flying around, it just seems like any person's interpretation of the ending is more a reflection on his or her mental state than on any kind of actual in-universe reality.

Rorschach, great way to describe it. I thought we had covered it all!

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Shepard has spent the past 3 years putting everyone before herself, saving the galaxy not once, not twice but three times watching friends and loved ones die around her. I think she deserves a little happiness and closure. Instead she went out with a whimper.

"You're telling me there is no other way to stop the Reapers?"
"Yup."
"Ok."
/End

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 11 mars 2012 - 08:01 .