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[BadlyBrowned]

 I just finished the game, I guess I am with a lot of people here, it just felt unsatisfying considering it is the conclusion to a trilogy. I suppose the darkness of the ending doesn't get me as much as how convluted it seemed. It actually makes more sense to me if the whole dream thing were true.

Just the mythical "Reaper God Child" or whatever coming out of the blue going all "I control the Reapers" felt so Deus Ex Machina to me. 

Anyways, those are my initial reactions. 

[infinitekilan]

Should the indoctrination/hallucination thing be true, then the question to ask would be: Why, Bioware? Why enrage the entire community? Why risk so much for what basically amounts to a massive troll?

The 2 reasons I can think of, as unacceptable as they are, are as follows:
1) Most likely scenario, they ran out of time to finish the proper endings(because EA was forcing them to have the game done by the release date, or some other less likely reason)
2) Bioware, for some reason, wanted the grand finale to go unknown until majority of the Mass Effect playerbase had finished the game. Basically, to avoid spoilers.

Now as to why they have yet to explain this, I do not know. Therein lies the main hole in this theory.

[IndelibleJester]

infinitekilan wrote...

Should the indoctrination/hallucination thing be true, then the question to ask would be: Why, Bioware? Why enrage the entire community? Why risk so much for what basically amounts to a massive troll?

Let me answer this question from my personal POV: Cause that would be awesome and the relief that floods through the community would be like a panacea. Of course, assuming the endings they supply us with to finish the game are amazing.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 11 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[wchsplayerchris2]

HetzerKorps wrote...

Shortly after beating the game I told myself I would just Alt-F4 on my other Sheps shortly before the final choice rears its hideous, disgusting, and terrible head.

But now that it is sunk in, I just can't play the game anymore! All I can think about is how my favorite series ever, has been completely ruined by going out with such an awful ending! Everything I, we, have done is invalid due to this.

The end did seem too surreal, Mass Effect never had much in the way of philisophical aspects up until that end. I hope Bioware is holding something back here, I really, really do. This amazing series does not deserve to go out like this.

I feel the same way this was my favorite game EVER and they destroyed it along with the mass relays!

[xDarkspace]

N7_Sniper91 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

 After all that, there pretty much isn't a galaxy left to save.

You might aswell have let the Reapers win. Death-by-laser would've been preferable than a slow, grim death-by-starvation.

I just rewatched the Liara romance. I ask her what she thinks of the upcoming battle. She says something along the lines of
"I want this war to end while there's still a galaxy left to save"

Yep, me too. Me too. Interesting how Bioware mindf***ed us in these ways. Even the characters in the damn story know what we want, but writers still can't give it to us.

Either that or EA/BioWare pulled a "KOTOR2" on us and rushed the ending.

It seems like the only logical conclusion I can come up with, seeing as how there are so many inconsistencies that it's not even funny.

Unless they pull a big "SURPRISE! We fooled you, the real ending is going to be available for free as DLC", that's what I'm sticking with.

Thats what happend with final fantasy 13-2

[Abram730]

IndelibleJester wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

How did "you" shape the charicter?  Are you sure that wasn't just in your mind?

Refer to this:

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Physically? We decided what he/she looked like.
Psychologically? We chose all of his/her decisions.

I feel like Cpt. Obvious of the 3rd Regiment explaining this, but there you go.

But yeah, you're right, Old Yeller and Mass Effect are very comparable. Next let's talk about the similarities of of cookies and steamrollers.

I can describe my Shepard's personality and the way it was shaped and changed by the events, choices, and situations Mass Effect placed her in. No one's Shepard was exactly the same in anyone's mind. The only reoccuring theme with everyone's Shepard is that they likely would have told that AI kid to GTFO because Shepard don't lay down.

AI kid = Dream + reaper mind games.  Shep didn't make the charge... the end of the game is a Dream sequence, just like the other ones.. I don't get how none of you get it.. It even moves in slowmo just like the dream sequences.

Not the sharpest tools in the shed...

So I don't think the ending will not be fixed... We will end up in the charge as another character in another mass effect game and see Our charicter get blasted.  

[BilboBloodBath]

Great game....until the ending. Really gutted. I thought people were over reacting until I witnessed the ending for myself.

Mass Effect 1 (Great Story)
Mass Effect 2 (Great Story)
Mass Effect 3 (Great Story until you meet that ghost AI kid at the end)

[Rob8228]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

I'm also having a bit of trouble believing everyone at BioWare was on board with this idea.

I mean, you have to figure that, at some point, someone had to raise their hand and say "Uh, sir? This ending doesn't make any bloody sense. Did you write this on a napkin after having a few too many at the bar?"

I am with you to an extent. I really don't feel like with the writing of the other two games, the rest of this game, that this was the final cut.It doesn't make any sense.

[IndelibleJester]

Abram730 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

How did "you" shape the charicter?  Are you sure that wasn't just in your mind?

Refer to this:

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Physically? We decided what he/she looked like.
Psychologically? We chose all of his/her decisions.

I feel like Cpt. Obvious of the 3rd Regiment explaining this, but there you go.

But yeah, you're right, Old Yeller and Mass Effect are very comparable. Next let's talk about the similarities of of cookies and steamrollers.

I can describe my Shepard's personality and the way it was shaped and changed by the events, choices, and situations Mass Effect placed her in. No one's Shepard was exactly the same in anyone's mind. The only reoccuring theme with everyone's Shepard is that they likely would have told that AI kid to GTFO because Shepard don't lay down.

AI kid = Dream + reaper mind games.  Shep didn't make the charge... the end of the game is a Dream sequence, just like the other ones.. I don't get how none of you get it.. It even moves in slowmo just like the dream sequences.

Not the sharpest tools in the shed...

So I don't think the ending will not be fixed... We will end up in the charge as another character in another mass effect game and see Our charicter get blasted.  

If you read my previous posts, you'd see I competely am for the indoctrination sequence.

[Rabb02]

I don't know what to make of it. There is so many questions and not answers. Hopefully those will come eventually. My shep died both times.I don't quite understand how multilayer fits in to the ending.

[Kloborgg711]

Abram730 wrote...

IndelibleJester wrote...

Rob8228 wrote...

Abram730 wrote...

How did "you" shape the charicter?  Are you sure that wasn't just in your mind?

Refer to this:

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Physically? We decided what he/she looked like.
Psychologically? We chose all of his/her decisions.

I feel like Cpt. Obvious of the 3rd Regiment explaining this, but there you go.

But yeah, you're right, Old Yeller and Mass Effect are very comparable. Next let's talk about the similarities of of cookies and steamrollers.

I can describe my Shepard's personality and the way it was shaped and changed by the events, choices, and situations Mass Effect placed her in. No one's Shepard was exactly the same in anyone's mind. The only reoccuring theme with everyone's Shepard is that they likely would have told that AI kid to GTFO because Shepard don't lay down.

AI kid = Dream + reaper mind games.  Shep didn't make the charge... the end of the game is a Dream sequence, just like the other ones.. I don't get how none of you get it.. It even moves in slowmo just like the dream sequences.

Not the sharpest tools in the shed...

So I don't think the ending will not be fixed... We will end up in the charge as another character in another mass effect game and see Our charicter get blasted.  

Yeah, you're right, 90% of the playerbase is just stupid for not realizing that the game ended in the middle of a dream sequence that was never explained. Give me a break.

[Admiral-165]

Ummm so i haven't posted on these forums for awhile... Last time was right after ME2 when i started posting on the infamous Tali threads (the ones that were like 1 million pages lol... yes i was in from the beginning). I was quite invested in this series... one of the best RPGs i've ever played to be quite honest, and i was looking forward to a nice ending... On Rannoch when Tali mentions building a house there, that's what i wanted (the idea was thrown around for this quite a bit in the Tali threads so naturally i thought BW was going with it). That seems like a nice ending right? Not just for Talimancers but for all other LI's right?

God i feel like i'm on the verge of a mental breakdown after finishing ME3... 5 years of investment in the series (since the beginning) all for this?

I've stayed up late every night for the past week to beat this game, sunk 40 hours into it just to make it perfect, and here i am at 3 in the morning just beating the game... an ending in the making for 5 years... **** my life.


Well there isn't much to do is there? I will put my voice here supporting a patch or DLC of some sort for the ending, but i have such little faith in BW now after what they did to this series... i doubt it will happen.

I'm off to the Fan Fiction site... At least i can expect to find some good **** there. This was my two centso n this topic, take it as you will.

[deathscythe517]

Dreogan wrote...

Most people are furious that Bioware put the wrong
ending in the game, not necessarily because they put a "bad" ending in.
In a trilogy that's all about player choice, it's taken as a slap in
the face when we can't get any sort of closure on how our decisions
impact the survivors or even our squad. In short, the "point" of the
entire trilogy shifts from "your choices" to "Shepard dies *slams book
closed*."

This goes back to the reader-writer contract. Here's another short source.
The fact that Bioware went three games strengthening their base formula
makes the current endings, with their railroaded death of Shepard, the
nonsense with the star-god-child, the absurdity of teleporting
squadmates to the Normandy, and the laziness of recolored assets, so
abysmal points directly to the following violations (from source #1).
Keep in mind this is not an exhaustive list, and the source itself goes
on to state the more works created by an author "the more complex the
contract, for the reader builds expectations of what that author will or
will not do—better known as a brand.":

-That
the rules will not change and the author will play by the rules he sets
up. If in the world created birds can swing but not fly, we better not
see flying birds halfway through.

The first rule broken
is the character of Shepard simply would not take the star-god-child's
words at face value. S/He has been in similar situations in the past,
and has always had the chance to find his/her own path. What we get is blind acceptance; completely out of character.

The Reapers change throughout the story. They are never
depicted as the big machines that see themselves doing the "right"
thing. In their own words, humans are nothing more than an insect--
trivial, meaningless, easily crushed. 

The worst rule broken,
however, is everything with the exception of eezo has a solid basis on
possible existant tech or tech theories. Synthesis is space magic. Full stop.

-That
there’ll be good ending, a primarily source for an emotionally
satisfying experience. A multitude of errors will be forgiven if a great
ending is provided. And what qualifies as a great ending? The release
of tension that come from the sense of rightness, the feeling that this
is the way things should—had—to be, whether bittersweet or happily-ever-after.

There
is absolutely no sense of rightness; the ending doesn't even bother to
explain how things are "right." It just shows explosion, generic combat
scene, colored lights in relays, then (if you're really lucky!) Shepard
taking a breath before we see a scene at Asspull Island. We see no
resolution in characters' stories, in the LI, or even back on Earth
aside for the color-shifted light as it goes through. 

"But wait!" you might say, " They wanted the player to reach their own conclusions!" 
This
is a violation of point #1. Even in the abysmal end of Mass Effect 2,
we got another conversation with The Illusive Man for closure. At the
end of the trilogy we get a man that says "the Shepard" is a legend. Another writing adage: SHOW, DON'T MOTHER****ING TELL. We expect to see
Shepard a legend, through the eyes of the people he saved. Not from
some anonymous grandpa ten generations removed simply "saying" he's a
legend.

-That the author will not
deceive the reader. An author can mislead a character and therefore the
reader, but the truth must be there and twists properly foreshadowed so
that a reader can look back and say, “Duh! Of course, that’s what had to
happen. Why didn’t I see that coming?"

The Catalyst
Star-God-Child. The options open to Shepard. The Normandy on Asspull
Island. There is no foreshadowed reason for any of these to exist;
they're simply trash thrown together at the last second in a desperate
attempt to ship on time.

-That the
flip-side of that will be true—all foreshadowing will be fulfilled. Or
as is talked about in playwriting, if there’s a gun on the wall, it’d
better be fired before the end of the act.

In this case,
the "loaded gun" is dark energy. It is never properly explained or
resolved. Considering how just about everything isn't resolved after the
star-god-child, you can add just about anything in any of the three
games here.



So yes, while the valiant sacrifice of
Shepard makes perfect sense for the trilogy (in theory), the fact that
it is presented in a bubble without character choice, reason, or (most
important to Mass Effect) visible reaction, damns this ending. There's
absolutely nothing wrong with a tragedy-- that's why that genre has
survived thousands of years. What is wrong, however, is they
essentially decided to duct tape the ending of Star Wars to the ending
of The Lord of the Rings. It's the wrong ending for the trilogy.
They quite literally ripped the writer-reader contract in half, which is
the holiest of holies to an author.

It's not bad writing, it's bad storytelling-- a much more severe offense.

While I don't agree with everything he said, mostly the stuff about Mass Effect 2, I do agree with most of the above so I felt it necessary to share this.

Modifié par deathscythe517, 11 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[THE_RABID_MOOSE]

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

[Sl4sh3r]

Abram730 wrote...

*snip*

AI kid = Dream + reaper mind games.  Shep didn't make the charge... the end of the game is a Dream sequence, just like the other ones.. I don't get how none of you get it.. It even moves in slowmo just like the dream sequences.

Not the sharpest tools in the shed...

So I don't think the ending will not be fixed... We will end up in the charge as another character in another mass effect game and see Our charicter get blasted.  

You're a troll... Cool...


On topic.
Regardless of what the ending is or how people want to view it... We did not get the multiple endings we were promised. We got R/G/B. Go!

[Kloborgg711]

Admiral-165 wrote...

Ummm so i haven't posted on these forums for awhile... Last time was right after ME2 when i started posting on the infamous Tali threads (the ones that were like 1 million pages lol... yes i was in from the beginning). I was quite invested in this series... one of the best RPGs i've ever played to be quite honest, and i was looking forward to a nice ending... On Rannoch when Tali mentions building a house there, that's what i wanted (the idea was thrown around for this quite a bit in the Tali threads so naturally i thought BW was going with it). That seems like a nice ending right? Not just for Talimancers but for all other LI's right?

God i feel like i'm on the verge of a mental breakdown after finishing ME3... 5 years of investment in the series (since the beginning) all for this?

I've stayed up late every night for the past week to beat this game, sunk 40 hours into it just to make it perfect, and here i am at 3 in the morning just beating the game... an ending in the making for 5 years... **** my life.


Well there isn't much to do is there? I will put my voice here supporting a patch or DLC of some sort for the ending, but i have such little faith in BW now after what they did to this series... i doubt it will happen.

I'm off to the Fan Fiction site... At least i can expect to find some good **** there. This was my two centso n this topic, take it as you will.

Find solace in the fact that you are not alone. Hundreds, probably thousands of people in this thread alone felt the same horrible feelings you're feeling now. I know it's not much help, but it's something. Feel free to express frustration and look for answers in this thread, it's a surprisingly effective outlet for a lot of the stuff you're feeling.

[Sl4sh3r]

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

You just contradicted yourself.

How would EA know about the amount of people that are enraged over this without a 714 page thread?

[Kloborgg711]

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

I don't get it. You're saying


"Stop overreacting, you'll get what you want because there's so much of a reaction."
AKA
"Stop doing X, you'll get what you desire because X."

This isn't a 717 page thread because we're not focusing on the ending itself or going off-topic, this is a 717 page thread because there's so many different people outraged at the ending.

[infinitekilan]

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

I respect your opinion, and can understand your view.

That being said, we will end our crusade when the results are in our hands. Or on our Xbox/PS3/PC.  But, just as it is your right to express your belief of overreaction, expressing our disapproval and desire for a proper ending is well within our rights. And this is what we choose to do.

[Kloborgg711]

Right, well, I've been on this thread far too long. Going to bed, hope to see another 20+ pages by the time I wake up, keep it up guys!

[Tarnation007]

I've been a member for a couple of months
now, I read a lot but never actually post anything - this is my first. I would
have been content to just continue only reading forums, but I really feel I
need to add my voice to this ... discussion. Every voice counts and it's only
through numbers that Bioware is likely to do anything about this horrendous
thing they have labeled 'ending'. Like many other people, I pre-ordered ME3
(tell a lie, my brother pre-ordered it for me as a Christmas present but that's
beside the point), and I had been actively counting down the days until I could
pick up my CE copy. I opened it, started playing and I loved it.... until I
read about the ending. No, okay I have not finished the game, but I'm shocking
at patience (I read so many spoilers it's unbelievable). The only reason I
looked up ending spoilers was to see if I had a post-war reunion  with my LI (Kaidan), who I stayed loyal to in
ME2. I watched the femShep vids of Kaidan and 'I', and I got butterflies and
goosebumps and I remember the reason I fell in love with him:wub:. That goodbye
scene darn near broke my heart, so I needed to see if I got to fulfill my
promise to him of meeting up with him afterwards, by going and searching for
possible ending. Boy was I in for a big surprise . I don't even want to finish
the game now, I just want to be in bliss with my space boyfriend. I don't play
the game for the shooting (I play the 'Story' or 'Narrative' option), and I
just want Kaidan (and biotic babies:wub:). So okay, maybe it's not the plausible
ending, but I mean come on! Like everyone else, I've spent hours and hours and
hours building up friendships and my relationship, I've killed reapers, I've
cured freaking genophages and let some people close to me die. I think my Shep
has earned the ending that I've worked HOURS on to achieve: Happy Ever After. That
is MY ending. The ending Bioware said I could have when they gave me my femShep,
gave me choices and consequences, people to love and promises to keep, and made
me work my ass off NOT TO DIE. Screw it. I'm not working for hours to get aid
for Earth if the galaxy is screwed in the end anyway.

PS: GIVE ME KAIDAN (please).

PPS: Sorry it's so long:innocent:

edited: the post just posted super weird so I fixed it

Modifié par Tarnation007, 11 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[N7_Sniper91]

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

And what better way to get EA/Bioware's attention, than to make a 717+ page thread showing our disappointment(To put it mildly) for their crappy endings? That and maybe the polls, Facebook and Twitter, (All of which may show other people how bad this is, which may put a dampner in their profits)would be our best chance at convincing them to fix this mess.

Any less, and they just won't care, period.

[THE_RABID_MOOSE]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

THE_RABID_MOOSE wrote...

I still say everyone is overreacting. The ending was what it was unsatisfactory. Leave it at that you don't need to make a 717 page thread declaring your hatred and and depression from the ending. More than likely their gonna pull a Fallout 3 with an epilogue DLC.

With the amount of people enraged it would be very profitable for EA.

You just contradicted yourself.

How would EA know about the amount of people that are enraged over this without a 714 page thread?

No I didn't contradict myself I was merely  stating an observation of what could result from this fan rage. Resultingly such a  DLC would could ease everyone's minds, and due to how much people are craving a different ending EA could capitalize on that.

[sunnygsm]

As much as I don't support the idea, I would get a DLC that fixed the endings. The endings just left me pretty empty. They were ok in terms of the weight they carried but the rest of the game eclipsed it by a mile.

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