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[ViperAlvein]

regarding the whole wikipedia change thing...
doubtful, someone probably edited it so it wasn't so obvious. -.-

Modifié par ViperAlvein, 11 mars 2012 - 02:16 .

[killnoob]

TheRisenStar wrote...

Lemme get this straight...

Game hammers the theme of "Control is wrong. Freedom is good. Fight for freedom, self determination, and your friends!"
Tuchanka - Genophage is control. Control is wrong.
TIM - Control of people (and Reapers) is wrong and dangerous,
Geth - Need I say it... again?
Miranda's Father - Control is wrong.


And the penultimate example - Reapers are a system of control. An artificial means to produce someone's idea of "Order" as a supreme value. And no matter what, we're forced to accept their logic, submit to their presuppositions, and make a choice in congruence with their perspective.

Damn right I chose destroy. Sorry Geth and EDI, it's the only (terrible) option I had to be consistent with the theme of the game, and of ME in general. What a miscarriage of storytelling...

I'll also add, that the "hero's sacrifice" does not have to mean death. See Frodo, LOTR - another apocalyptic, against all odds, fight for your friends, life, and all that is good story.

I want my Frodo ending. {edit} or any real ending that respects the actual themes of the saga.

Never posted here before, have lurked for years. Adding my voice now.

 i would argue that the main theme of Mass Effect is not actually about control.
It's about unity.
The entire focus about ME 1, 2 and 3 are gathering people to prepare for the final battle.
But this is completely subjective and you dont have to agree with me. Also I agree wholeheartedly with you the storytelling for the last 10 min of the game is simply atrocious.

[Tesar]

Major problem of endings is the absence of choice. Even plot holes and other stuff don't make such negative impact on the ending feel.

Modifié par Tesar, 11 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[AlCord]

Lupus Canivus wrote...

I have arrived on Earth.... but after finding out about all those #### endings I can't bring myself to finish the game. It just feels like a betrayal of everything I fought for in ME1 and 2.

I have an option for you... do the last missions and after beamed up and meeting TIM you Alt + F4 and watch this instead:

[Grumble314]

Just wanted to add my two cents that whoever(someone obviously did) thought these endings were good needs a drug test.

[ARCTIC EAGLE]

Its not that I want a happy ending, I just want an ending without plot holes, an ending without the mess relays destroying all life (if the DLC is true), its so poorly done and so easy to predict. I mean am I the only one who saw the ending coming after only 4hrs of gameplay?

[Lucazius]

You know what?

After some time chilling out, I tried to start another playthhrough just to see how other options in conversation would play out and enjoy the game with another class.

However, after Mars that feeling of "nothing you do actually matters" kept knocking in my head and I just haven't the interest and energy to keep playing.

[Rdubs]

Finally able to start playing. Trying to drag it out. Looking forward to an official response. Word of the ending disappointment is already starting to percolate in places outside this forum.

http://www.gamefront...ffect-3-ending/

I returned my CE to the store and just rented it from gamefly, will buy it from them when they start trying to reduce inventory.

[DarkSpider88]

xDarkspace wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

Destruction - is the same thing as being a reaper, synthetics destroy organics but if you pick destroy option its the same thing organics destroy synthetics.

Synthesis - is making synthetics & organics equal

Control - is ****ing around with **** that you shouldent because its a bad ****ing idea

but in the end everybody is ****ed so it does not matter lol thats the problam.

but why would you trust the lord of reapers

This is what really upsets me. We spend two games defying the Reapers to ultimaely allowing them to decide, they gave us three choices we didn't make one. All we got was the illusion of choice.

[DarkSpider88]

ARCTIC EAGLE wrote...

Its not that I want a happy ending, I just want an ending without plot holes, an ending without the mess relays destroying all life (if the DLC is true), its so poorly done and so easy to predict. I mean am I the only one who saw the ending coming after only 4hrs of gameplay?

No not me. I spent the whole game reassuring others that we would pull it off. Telling my teammates and Li we would make it alive. I ended up being a big lier in the end. While I am okay not to have a completely happy ending it would have been  nice to have an ending where Shepard and his team at least had hope.

[Lurchibald]

the ending reminds me of this (well, for 30 seconds of where the video is set) www.youtube.com/watch

[killnoob]

KeldorKatarn wrote...

Ok guys, another German Infantry Regiment joining.

I followed all this and it spoiled a lot for me. I religiously avoided spoilers like crazy and then a friend of mine told me about the endings... and his reaction was shocking... so I started looking at stuff. because the last think I wanted was to put my Shepard through something like that.
So yeah, now I know about the endings, which I totally hate and I'm glad my Sheppard hasn't lived through them yet. But I also hate that Bioware screwed this up so much that I was forced to inform myself and spoil quite a few story detailed that were not about the ending when reading through this.

Now I DO own the N7 edition already, it was too late to cancel the order. And I kinda want to at least play up until the ending before reading more here so I can at least protect myself against more spoilers... the question is now... how far should I play... I was already concerned that future DLCs might force me to replay since they cannot be played after game completion... and now there's this ending crap on top of that.

So what do you guys recommend... how far should to get the most information about the story to protect myself against further spoilers and yet also not already run beyond the point of no return?

Honestly though,

You don't have to cancel your pre orders.

As many people have stated already, the game itself is perfect til the last 10 min.
Ofc, how they shopped some stockphotos to be Tali's face is just downright lazy (Much like the ending I'm also 'denialing" this. It's the best way to cope with all Bioware's attempts at ruining a great series for me)...

still I personally think ME 3 is a bloody good game.

Right down to the last 10 min.

As for my recommandation:


You should stop when Shepard sits down next to Anderson and the two of them watched the space together.

That would've been the perfect place to end the series on.

Modifié par killnoob, 11 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[Rdubs]

I saw someone do one earlier so not my idea but we should start an Internet meme: "Still a better ending than Mass Effect 3". Everyone take a picture of something horrific (but not depressing) and add "Still better ending than ME3" on it. We should start a dedicated thread where people can post.

I have a picture of a massive train wreck somewhere, I'll try to do that.

Modifié par Rdubs, 11 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[ViperAlvein]

Copying another post i just made but meh. I think one of my largest gripes is that in the end once you reach that final choice, everything you have done to that point becomes redundant because it doesn't truly affect the outcome of your decision. You fight to bring everyone together only to at the end have essentially a plot device solve the problem for you. It just feels empty and poorly designed. The promised epic battle ended up being overshadowed by a choice that had little meaning to a large group of players.

[Salty Specula]

There isn't even any difference in the three available endings...

Option 1: You kill yourself.
Option 2: You kill yourself.
Option 3: You kill yourself.

What was that wonderful line Joker said in Mass Effect 2... "If so, I want that on a shirt because this is the best: 'You have no choice' choice, ever!"

[MrPuschel]

killnoob wrote...

You should stop when Shepard sits down next to Anderson and the two of them watched the space together.

That would've been the perfect place to end the series on.

Somehow, that's true. Even the London scene was a little disappointing i just tought. "Ya, finally. It's cool now" like the scene with garrus on the citadel shooting bottles. 

But then, the elvator activated and it was like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"

[Tyranniac]

killnoob wrote...

You should stop when Shepard sits down next to Anderson and the two of them watched the space together.

That would've been the perfect place to end the series on.

I disagree, while this would get rid of the weird ending it would still leave too many things unanswered and there'd still not be any choice in the ending.

[Teddie Sage]

Tyranniac wrote...

killnoob wrote...

You should stop when Shepard sits down next to Anderson and the two of them watched the space together.

That would've been the perfect place to end the series on.

I disagree, while this would get rid of the weird ending it would still leave too many things unanswered and there'd still not be any choice in the ending.

At least it would give us the option to imagine what happens next or wait for Mass Effect 4.

[CDHarrisUSF]

MrPuschel wrote...

If you choose the syntethic ending, there is no reaper threat anymore because reaper are not necessary anymore because there is no organic / ai conflict left.

Not quite. The same logic Space Wizard uses against destroying (that synthetics can still be invented) can be used against merging. Pure organic life can still be reintroduced in the same way it came about in the first place, abiogenesis. That could cause a conflict. Plus, it's not stopping them from making more pure synthetics. That could also cause a conflict. You could end up with all three again, leaving you exactly where you started. There's nothing inherent to the "solution" described which prevents the tensions between Organics vs Cyborgs vs Synthetics from coming back. If someone doesn't think "mixed" and "pure" distinctions can cause tension... they're obviously not into history.

EDIT: As for making an attempt to control them, that is playing with fire. We've seen how dangerous their indoctrination can be... and you know the saying: "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely." That seems like the most dangerous choice of the three, in my opinion.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 11 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[Deep Hours]

I could deal that Paragon Shepard couldn't save a kid during the reaper invasion. I could deal when they decided to kill off a couple characters. I could even deal that Anderson stepped down from being a Councilor so Udina could screw it up monumentally. I could even deal that the Citadel doesn't get evac'd cause the Reapers just show up but they also move it. Even if I ignore all that as well as the plot-holes from the endings like the Normandy leaving Shepard behind on Earth and jumping through the relay.

IF I ignore all that, even then, I was seriously disappointed with the ending. If the ending I picked is any indication of the other available endings than it felt rushed. Bioware, needs to fix some of this either via patch or via DLC.

[d-boy15]

I hope they put this back in the game. It's damm good, make me feel like Shepard is normal human
and why this get cut instead of that goddamm vent kid?

Modifié par d-boy15, 11 mars 2012 - 02:43 .

[Kloborgg711]

Tyranniac wrote...

killnoob wrote...

You should stop when Shepard sits down next to Anderson and the two of them watched the space together.

That would've been the perfect place to end the series on.

I disagree, while this would get rid of the weird ending it would still leave too many things unanswered and there'd still not be any choice in the ending.

Yeah. If the series ended there, it would undoubtedly still be better than what we got, but I can't imagine I would feel satisfied. I would feel a lot less depressed and confused, but I would still be unsatisfied. I think, after 5 years of knowing these characters, we deserve to see what happens to them. At least in the short term.

[Hjkor]

Just adding my opinion in here:

a) Bad ending - The reapers win, however, the time capsules are discovered approx 50,000 years later by some random aliens (yahg, who the **** cares at this point). There's still hope that Shepard didn't die in vain and the current cycle will be the last.
Shepard dies, good ending - Get rid of the Kid Architect Elevator Bull****, the Catalyst activates the Citadel "bomb" if you will, Reapers die, casualties are heavy, Shepard blows up with the Catalyst, Citadel is heavily damaged.
c) Disney - Shepard makes it out in time, if your Assets were high enough, some random commando squad storms in, patches Shepard up, carries him out of there and activates the Catalyst. Shepard retires with his LI, in case of Tali he's watching the sea on a beach with Tali, who is UNMASKED DAMNIT!

I mean, those are the endings I had in mind since I completed Mass Effect 5 years back, how hard was it to put those in?

EDIT: Of course, the two latter endings would include CLOSURE in the form of epilogue text boxes or cutscenes backed with some beautiful piano stuff. What happens to the Quarian/Geth/Krogan etc...

Modifié par Hjkor, 11 mars 2012 - 02:47 .

[Dan Rosse]

JigPig wrote...

Obviously you guys haven't gotten the perfect ending yet.

Still unfinished yet three-times better then the original ending (yes, it's just one with different colors; dont fool yourself people!).

[AlCord]

d-boy15 wrote...

I hope they put this back in the game. It's damm good, make me feel like Shepard is normal human
and why this get cut instead of that goddamm vent kid?

This was the leaked version? Wow that is a good ending. Not that it is a good one but there is a dialogue with a touch of humor.